Halliburton Wins Iraq Contract

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Corn


Of course you do Moonie. What kind of news content would you mandate? Something like they've got going in Iraq?

 

[Corn]

While there are a few times that I challenge the honesty of Moonie and other likeminded liberals, it is times like this where even if unintentionally the truth is a beacon.

Here we have Moonie lamenting the fact that because money = speech, some people have more of an opportunity to voice that speech as opposed to someone else. "It's just not fair!!!!"

Forced equatorial outcomes are one of the most sinister threats to our rights and freedoms.

I wholly welcome the Moonies of this world in their proclamations of how they think they know better than anyone else who can say and do what. Just look at what he's advocating here (only state approved and chosen entities would be allowed to broadcast state mandated content). What makes it even more laughable is he states that this could be accomplished without shredding our constitution--as if our founding fathers would approve!

You go Moonie!

 

[Moonbeam]

Way to read, guys. Don't let your desire to get Moonbeam interfer with your vision or anything.

Anyway I was talking to DaveSohmer with whom I'm pretty sure I share this concern.

Corn, if forced equatorial outcomes are one of the most sinister threats to our rights and freedoms and their unregulated opposite is also what is you point? Maybe reread my post with a more charitable attitude, that is if you can, to see if it's what you claim. I think not.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Sydney Morning Herald article about the Halliburton contract

Some quotes from the article:

"KBR was selected for this award based on the fact that KBR is the only contractor that could commence implementing the complex contingency plan on extremely short notice," the company said in a statement.

The company was given a free hand to choose subcontractors for the work, the Corps spokesman said.

KBR chose Houston-based Boots and Coots International, with which it has a services and equipment partnership, and Wild Well Control Inc as firefighting subcontractors.

Boots and Coots was brought into Kuwait in 1991 to control about 240 of more than 700 burning wells following the Gulf War, it said.

Seemed like a logical decision to me.

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

 

[Corn]

Corn, if forced equatorial outcomes are one of the most sinister threats to our rights and freedoms and their unregulated opposite is also what is you point?

I do not hold the opinion that the "unregulated opposite" is a threat to our freedoms. Neither did our founding fathers and neither does the constitution.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: wizardLRU

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

Statements of that type have been made over and over since before this began and they are utterly ridiculous and pointless.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Someone didn't teach you about the spoils of war in history class...

Cheney does not own any Haliburton stock, what could he have to gain from this?

: ) Hopper

Come on, don't be that innocent..... Corporate greed doesn't know boundaries....


Solutions:

1) He can have several people "lend their name" as owners, but in reality be puppets while the true owner is another..... This is a very old trick, and I don't see why it could not be implemented in the USA.

2) Get stock of a subsidiary of the company, or a subcontractor.....

Limited because "I have to sell my stock"..... Ah, if only all of life would be as easy as taking one of the EASY shortcuts to that "limitation".....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Come on, don't be that innocent..... Corporate greed doesn't know boundaries....


Solutions:

1) He can have several people "lend their name" as owners, but in reality be puppets while the true owner is another..... This is a very old trick, and I don't see why it could not be implemented in the USA.

2) Get stock of a subsidiary of the company, or a subcontractor.....

Limited because "I have to sell my stock"..... Ah, if only all of life would be as easy as taking one of the EASY shortcuts to that "limitation".....

Aw...come on...don't be so pessimistic.

Seriously, all of that is just hints and allegations and there is a lot of those being tossed about lately on a number of fronts.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: wizardLRU

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

Statements of that type have been made over and over since before this began and they are utterly ridiculous and pointless.

Heh, not so utterly ridiculous and pointless now is it?

Oh, one more link for you

Halliburton gets a head start

Want to add one more thing, we haven't found any WMD that Bush and his people so sure that Iraq has, but we are seeing FACTS that people closed to the administration are profiting from this war. You be the judge.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Heh, not so utterly ridiculous and pointless now is it?

Oh, one more link for you

Halliburton gets a head start

Want to add one more thing, we haven't found any WMD that Bush and his people so sure that Iraq has, but we are seeing FACTS that people closed to the administration are profiting from this war. You be the judge.

Yeah...still pointless as it's nothing but rhetoric from the Anti-Bush crowd.

Halliburton provided Boots & Coots with a LOT of support/help in putting out the oil well fires from the '91 Gulf War. And the article to which you linked doesn't mean anything. Besides, you must have skipped the last paragraph:

Cheney sold all his Halliburton stock when he became President Bush's vice presidential nominee in 2000. He held on to some options, but has promised to donate all profits to charity. He still gets deferred compensation from Halliburton every year, but he's guaranteed to get that whether the company thrives or falls into bankruptcy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Corn:
I do not hold the opinion that the "unregulated opposite" is a threat to our freedoms. Neither did our founding fathers and neither does the constitution.
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Of course you don't. That was not the point. I was speaking to someone who I think does have concerns and expressing a point of view which you, I think, badly mischaracterized. I simply asked you to look at what I said from the point ov view of someone with a concern to see, if you can, that you were wide of what I implied by a country mile.

 

[rchiu]

Yeah...still pointless as it's nothing but rhetoric from the Anti-Bush crowd.

Halliburton provided Boots & Coots with a LOT of support/help in putting out the oil well fires from the '91 Gulf War. And the article to which you linked doesn't mean anything. Besides, you must have skipped the last paragraph:

Cheney sold all his Halliburton stock when he became President Bush's vice presidential nominee in 2000. He held on to some options, but has promised to donate all profits to charity. He still gets deferred compensation from Halliburton every year, but he's guaranteed to get that whether the company thrives or falls into bankruptcy.

Heh, people like you believe Iraq has WMD and Iraqi people really need us to free them without any facts to support those claims. But when there are facts about special interest groups getting money out of the war, you are quick to dismiss it, why the difference?

I don't know if you ever work in corporate environment, and know what is going on there. Cheney was CEO of the company from 1995 to 2000. Do you know what the relationship is like between CEO and board of directors, the top executives who are still there? Just by selling the stock, you think Cheney has nothing to do with the company. Geez, you are naive, or you just choose to ignore the facts.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Heh, people like you believe Iraq has WMD and Iraqi people really need us to free them without any facts to support those claims. But when there are facts about special interest groups getting money out of the war, you are quick to dismiss it, why the difference?

I don't know if you ever work in corporate environment, and know what is going on there. Cheney was CEO of the company from 1995 to 2000. Do you know what the relationship is like between CEO and board of directors, the top executives who are still there? Just by selling the stock, you think Cheney has nothing to do with the company. Geez, you are naive, or you just choose to ignore the facts.

I'm not supporting Halliburton getting the contract, just stating facts. It is 'people like you' who are making the allegations without proof. Just how is Cheney supposed to profit??

 

[Moonbeam]

You don't suppose he's getting paid under the table do you?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You don't suppose he's getting paid under the table do you?

If that comes out then he will have heck to pay but to make allegations without substantive proof is pointless.

Shall I bring up the Clinton/Gore/China scandal? It happens on both sides of that party line.

 

[rchiu]

I'm not supporting Halliburton getting the contract, just stating facts. It is 'people like you' who are making the allegations without proof. Just how is Cheney supposed to profit??

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: rchiu

I'm not supporting Halliburton getting the contract, just stating facts. It is 'people like you' who are making the allegations without proof. Just how is Cheney supposed to profit??

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

Why yes, yes you do. It's your allegation you might as well finish your story.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: rchiu

I'm not supporting Halliburton getting the contract, just stating facts. It is 'people like you' who are making the allegations without proof. Just how is Cheney supposed to profit??

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

Why yes, yes you do. It's your allegation you might as well finish your story.

Oh really? where did I said it if you can be so kind to point it out?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: rchiu

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

You certainly were intimating at their profiting.
Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

And, Clinton wasn't taken care of by special interest groups he gave in to during his Presidency? And Bush, Sr. before him, And Reagan? Carter? It's nothing unique to Bush and his administration. It's a part of the political scene in Washington and will remain so for some time. At least until special interest/lobby groups are tossed out of Washington, which is something I'd DEARLY love to see!

 

[Moonbeam]

One must avoid not only corruption, but the appearence of corruption. Unfortunately we live in a time when the sensitivity of the conservative side are nearly blind even to appearance. For those free from the rigid lock step beat of pro conservative politics, the stench here is palpable. It's a gas to watch the rationalizations.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
One must avoid not only corruption, but the appearence of corruption. Unfortunately we live in a time when the sensitivity of the conservative side are nearly blind even to appearance. For those free from the rigid lock step beat of pro conservative politics, the stench here is palpable. It's a gas to watch the rationalizations.

That gas you smell is from your last night's dinner at Taco Bell.

You continue to lambast the current administration and the bidding process but offer no alternatives or at least offer up companies more deserving. Halliburton has experience in this area so why not use them?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: rchiu

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

You certainly were intimating at their profiting.
Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

And, Clinton wasn't taken care of by special interest groups he gave in to during his Presidency? And Bush, Sr. before him, And Reagan? Carter? It's nothing unique to Bush and his administration. It's a part of the political scene in Washington and will remain so for some time. At least until special interest/lobby groups are tossed out of Washington, which is something I'd DEARLY love to see!

Well, I meant exactly what I said. Bush and Cheney are connected to big oil companies, the big oil company will profit from this invasion. That statement in no way stated that Bush and Cheney will profit directly.

Oh, and if this war is about special interest group like I suspect it is, this administration will be the most evil in the US history, sacrificing American and Iraqi lives for the benefits of special interest group.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: rchiu

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

You certainly were intimating at their profiting.
Originally posted by: rchiu

As logical as our president and most of the people in his administration has connectoin to big oil company, and we happened to be invading a country with second largest oil reserves in the world.

And, Clinton wasn't taken care of by special interest groups he gave in to during his Presidency? And Bush, Sr. before him, And Reagan? Carter? It's nothing unique to Bush and his administration. It's a part of the political scene in Washington and will remain so for some time. At least until special interest/lobby groups are tossed out of Washington, which is something I'd DEARLY love to see!

Well, I meant exactly what I said. Bush and Cheney are connected to big oil companies, the big oil company will profit from this invasion. That statement in no way stated that Bush and Cheney will profit directly.

Oh, and if this war is about special interest group like I suspect it is, this administration will be the most evil in the US history, sacrificing American and Iraqi lives for the benefits of special interest group.

Ok, so you're implying that Bush has instigated this war against Saddam in order to satisfy the Oil industry? Good gawd...you must be smoking the same stuff as moonbeam.

If you're not, then why even mention Bush/Cheney and oil if you don't think they will profit? Oh wait...you're just trying to stir controversy.