Halliburton Wins Iraq Contract

[drewshin]

"But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups."

Tell me, I need a good bedtime story. I want to hear how Cheney and Bush will profit from the oil companies, those big bad oil companies.

they will probably get honorary seats on the board for these companies, or in cheney's case maybe even a position since he has experience (not bush, they wouldnt be that dumb, they'd let him pick his nose in the corner during meetings), get nice fat stock or options packages, make out like bandits. either that, or they will get "consulting" fees from these companies, there's so many ways.

 

[drewshin]

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

saddam hasnt used wmd's against u.s. troops, i guess you're saying he won't be using them then. innocent until proven guilty?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: drewshin

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

saddam hasnt used wmd's against u.s. troops, i guess you're saying he won't be using them then. innocent until proven guilty?

Saddam was on probation for starting a war and invading Kuwait. The terms of that 'probation' were very specific about what weapons he could have and how he had to prove that those programs had been discontinued. He had banned weapons and had been in breach of the resolution stating the ceasefire terms almost since it was signed.

Roll your eyes all you want, it only proves how little you know about the situation.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: drewshin

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

saddam hasnt used wmd's against u.s. troops, i guess you're saying he won't be using them then. innocent until proven guilty?

Saddam was on probation for starting a war and invading Kuwait. The terms of that 'probation' were very specific about what weapons he could have and how he had to prove that those programs had been discontinued. He had banned weapons and had been in breach of the resolution stating the ceasefire terms almost since it was signed.

Roll your eyes all you want, it only proves how little you know about the situation.

So how much do you & I know about the situation, or are you just spouting your administration propaganda?

If you brush the propagandas from everyone aside & look at the reality then war & lost of human lives seemed to be unjust.

It doesn?t really matter if Saddam is a dictator or not, because if he was friendly with the US & let us exploit him then everything is fine. It all comedown to how much money we can make from this war with Iraq.

If your government is so keen on upholding justice and saving the people, then look no further than your own back yard of its dealing with its own people (see how the rich get richer & poor get poorer in your country). Then there are also many other dictators that in this world, such as majority of the South America countries, Middle East, Africa, and Asia that also needed to be reprimand or take out. But, it is not going to happen because these so call dictators are America friends that are lining your political parties with blood monies.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: drewshin

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

saddam hasnt used wmd's against u.s. troops, i guess you're saying he won't be using them then. innocent until proven guilty?

Saddam was on probation for starting a war and invading Kuwait. The terms of that 'probation' were very specific about what weapons he could have and how he had to prove that those programs had been discontinued. He had banned weapons and had been in breach of the resolution stating the ceasefire terms almost since it was signed.

Roll your eyes all you want, it only proves how little you know about the situation.

So how much do you & I know about the situation, or are you just spouting your administration propaganda?

If you brush the propagandas from everyone aside & look at the reality then war & lost of human lives seemed to be unjust.

It doesn?t really matter if Saddam is a dictator or not, because if he was friendly with the US & let us exploit him then everything is fine. It all comedown to how much money we can make from this war with Iraq.

If your government is so keen on upholding justice and saving the people, then look no further than your own back yard of its dealing with its own people (see how the rich get richer & poor get poorer in your country). Then there are also many other dictators that in this world, such as majority of the South America countries, Middle East, Africa, and Asia that also needed to be reprimand or take out. But, it is not going to happen because these so call dictators are America friends that your are lining your political parties with blood monies.

What country are you from and why don't you and your country men do something about the dictators?

This is about more than just removing a dictator. If you had followed the news and the situation you would know that.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: drewshin

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

saddam hasnt used wmd's against u.s. troops, i guess you're saying he won't be using them then. innocent until proven guilty?

Saddam was on probation for starting a war and invading Kuwait. The terms of that 'probation' were very specific about what weapons he could have and how he had to prove that those programs had been discontinued. He had banned weapons and had been in breach of the resolution stating the ceasefire terms almost since it was signed.

Roll your eyes all you want, it only proves how little you know about the situation.

So how much do you & I know about the situation, or are you just spouting your administration propaganda?

If you brush the propagandas from everyone aside & look at the reality then war & lost of human lives seemed to be unjust.

It doesn?t really matter if Saddam is a dictator or not, because if he was friendly with the US & let us exploit him then everything is fine. It all comedown to how much money we can make from this war with Iraq.

If your government is so keen on upholding justice and saving the people, then look no further than your own back yard of its dealing with its own people (see how the rich get richer & poor get poorer in your country). Then there are also many other dictators that in this world, such as majority of the South America countries, Middle East, Africa, and Asia that also needed to be reprimand or take out. But, it is not going to happen because these so call dictators are America friends that your are lining your political parties with blood monies.

What country are you from and why don't you and your country men do something about the dictators?

This is about more than just removing a dictator. If you had followed the news and the situation you would know that.

I am from Vietnam & they did removed many dictators that America help put into power.

There is so far no evident if you mean WMD & Al Qaeda is this war is all about.

 

[classy]

Thats not good. It clearly looks like now that lives are being sacraficed for personal agendas. This will clearly not sit well with people around the world or people here.

 

[dahunan]

Halliburton Out of the Running

The construction firm once run by Dick Cheney won?t get a big Iraq contract
http://www.msnbc.com/news/892259.asp?0cv=BB10

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Halliburton Out of the Running

The construction firm once run by Dick Cheney won?t get a big Iraq contract
http://www.msnbc.com/news/892259.asp?0cv=BB10

Good, thats better. Enough has already been stated about our countrys' motives and this clearly would have made our country look really shady.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: classy
Thats not good. It clearly looks like now that lives are being sacraficed for personal agendas. This will clearly not sit well with people around the world or people here.

If it walks like a conspiracy, talks like a conspiracy, and acts like a conspiracy, it is very possible that we might have a conspiracy. I actually find it amusing these fools continue to buy Bushs charade.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hehe, Carb, I was just talking to somebody who's all upset that that the media is portraying the Bush League as surprised that Saddam's people are turning themselves into suicide bombers. Her comment was that should have been obvious. I said it was obvious, the Bush League knew, but they can't say so because they can't admit they expected a large death toll. She said she hoped the American people would see that. I said, they got their heads so far up George's ass that they wouldn't, that there are only a relatively small number of people who can think outside of the Americanized propaganda straight jacket we've been burried in. I told her that it's just like that on this forum, and I was thinking of you in particular as an exception. Then I see your, if it walks like a conspiricy post here.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: classy
Thats not good. It clearly looks like now that lives are being sacraficed for personal agendas. This will clearly not sit well with people around the world or people here.

If it walks like a conspiracy, talks like a conspiracy, and acts like a conspiracy, it is very possible that we might have a conspiracy. I actually find it amusing these fools continue to buy Bushs charade.

What part of 'Halliburton did not get the big contract' did you not understand?

 

[Moonbeam]

I got the impression they figured they could siphon off a pile of tax payer money in the background without having their name out front threatening other mid east deals.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: classy
Thats not good. It clearly looks like now that lives are being sacraficed for personal agendas. This will clearly not sit well with people around the world or people here.

If it walks like a conspiracy, talks like a conspiracy, and acts like a conspiracy, it is very possible that we might have a conspiracy. I actually find it amusing these fools continue to buy Bushs charade.

What part of 'Halliburton did not get the big contract' did you not understand?

It anit over till the fat lady sings. Wanna wager on what countries firms will be rebuilding Iraq?
Or better yet, how many former repulicans party officails sit on the BODs of the companies who do the rebuilding.

"Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers, commander of the Army Corps of Engineers, questioning why other oil-service companies had not been allowed to bid." Uh huh bush has other friends and hilliburton has subsideries. They did'nt hire and pay him millions for his leadership abilty.

 

[etech]

Carbonyl

It anit over till the fat lady sings. Wanna wager on what countries firms will be rebuilding Iraq?

In other words, "They're bad men, they're Republicans and conservative, I know they're going to do something bad, some day, some where, wah wah wah. I'll be waiting, just you wait and see. I'm going to keep my eye on those big bad men, whine whine whine."

Or better yet, how many former repulicans party officails sit on the BODs of the companies who do the rebuilding.

Probably about the same number of democrats.

"Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers, commander of the Army Corps of Engineers, questioning why other oil-service companies had not been allowed to bid." Uh huh bush has other friends and hilliburton has subsideries. They did'nt hire and pay him millions for his leadership abilty.

What is that, something from your imagination or do you have a link to put it into context?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: etech
Carbonyl

It anit over till the fat lady sings. Wanna wager on what countries firms will be rebuilding Iraq?

In other words, "They're bad men, they're Republicans and conservative, I know they're going to do something bad, some day, some where, wah wah wah. I'll be waiting, just you wait and see. I'm going to keep my eye on those big bad men, whine whine whine."

Or better yet, how many former repulicans party officails sit on the BODs of the companies who do the rebuilding.

Probably about the same number of democrats.

"Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers, commander of the Army Corps of Engineers, questioning why other oil-service companies had not been allowed to bid." Uh huh bush has other friends and hilliburton has subsideries. They did'nt hire and pay him millions for his leadership abilty.

What is that, something from your imagination or do you have a link to put it into context?

Etech No I don't have a link. But I am able to read between the lines and state my opinion arnt I? Just consider this for a monent.

Cheny after loosing his job because of the 92' election was then hired as CEO for the largest overseas drilling company. He was payed millions of dollars for his ability to return profit to it's shareholders. First, how is he able to do this? Now why would he quit (this applies to almost all politians) a job making millions a year for one that pays 400K? More importantly, why would he do it with his health problems. To me it's simple. He must pay back his employers. He was entrusted to do so with his initail employment. Also, I believe when he's gone he will either be on the board or serve in some capacity for halliburton.. (or one of the companies who eventually do get the contract)

You need evidence you will not find. But the expert in constuction for the Army, is obously crying foul when he publically questioning why other oil-service companies had not been allowed to bid, with the obvious inferance he feels thier are at least other qualified firms.

One thing you're right about is I should'nt have just said Republicans. I only did so because they are the ones in power now to repay thier freinds who put them there. Dems would do the exact same thing.

 

[CPA]

Update on this issue:

It seems Halliburton was never even in the running because they never submitted a bid. Looks like media hystery was at work again.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: CPA
Update on this issue:

It seems Halliburton was never even in the running because they never submitted a bid. Looks like media hystery was at work again.

What's that you say?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CPA
Update on this issue:

It seems Halliburton was never even in the running because they never submitted a bid. Looks like media hystery was at work again.

What's that you say?

Thats because they had already won an earlier contract in 2001 which was related to the then potential invasion of Iraq.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CPA
Update on this issue:

It seems Halliburton was never even in the running because they never submitted a bid. Looks like media hystery was at work again.

What's that you say?

Thats because they had already won an earlier contract in 2001 which was related to the then potential invasion of Iraq.

i heard that before 9/11 they were trying to think of reasons how the US could invade iraq but it didn't have alot of substance to it.

with that i guess that rumor is gaining a bit of truth to it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CPA
Update on this issue:

It seems Halliburton was never even in the running because they never submitted a bid. Looks like media hystery was at work again.

What's that you say?

That's about a contract for putting out the oil well fires. The same Haliburton subsidiary that provided assistance to putting out the oil well fires after the 1991 Gulf War.

Soo...what's the big deal? A highly qualified company that was used before, quite effectively.

Lt. Gen. Robert B. Flowers, the commander of the Corps of Engineers, wrote in his letter that Kellogg Brown & Root was chosen because it was the only contractor considered capable of developing what he called "complex, classified contingency plans" and then to carry them out "on extremely short notice."

"No other contractor could satisfy mission requirements in the time available," General Flowers wrote.

He also said that the Defense Department could not follow public procedures for awarding the contract, including a public notice, because the war plans and the need to fight oil fires in Iraq were then classified information. In the future, however, General Flowers promised "ample opportunity for competition" to restore Iraq's oil infrastructure.

The Corps of Engineers is a highly competent group of folks, imo.

 

[outriding]

Soo...what's the big deal? A highly qualified company that was used before, quite effectively.

the bid deal is cheney was not a vice pres.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: outriding

Soo...what's the big deal? A highly qualified company that was used before, quite effectively.

the bid deal is cheney was not a vice pres.

Quite right he was the SecDef.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CPA
Update on this issue:

It seems Halliburton was never even in the running because they never submitted a bid. Looks like media hystery was at work again.

What's that you say?

That's about a contract for putting out the oil well fires. The same Haliburton subsidiary that provided assistance to putting out the oil well fires after the 1991 Gulf War.

Soo...what's the big deal? A highly qualified company that was used before, quite effectively.

Lt. Gen. Robert B. Flowers, the commander of the Corps of Engineers, wrote in his letter that Kellogg Brown & Root was chosen because it was the only contractor considered capable of developing what he called "complex, classified contingency plans" and then to carry them out "on extremely short notice."

"No other contractor could satisfy mission requirements in the time available," General Flowers wrote.

He also said that the Defense Department could not follow public procedures for awarding the contract, including a public notice, because the war plans and the need to fight oil fires in Iraq were then classified information. In the future, however, General Flowers promised "ample opportunity for competition" to restore Iraq's oil infrastructure.

The Corps of Engineers is a highly competent group of folks, imo.

How do they know no other company could satisfy the mission requirements if they didn't take bids from anyone else?

 

[rbV5]

The Corps of Engineers is a highly competent group of folks, imo

LOL, they have got to be one of the biggest bungling bunch of bozos that we ever entrusted our country's resources to, are you kidding me?