driveclub and mcc both having major online issues at launch, especially for a week+, is basically unacceptable in my opinion.
i'm very glad i did not support either of them at launch. when i heard about both of them at their reveal, i was pretty interested in both. thankfully i didn't purchase either.
Yeah...I am a huge fan of halo. Not the games only, but the lore and background of the story etc. I have bought them all on every system they were released on. Even have the PC versions of CE and 2. I will admit though that certain aspects of them simply didn't age well. Being able to play them all on one console is great for me though. I agree that taking a week or more to fix your online issues, when the online part is a major portion of the game, is unacceptable.driveclub and mcc both having major online issues at launch, especially for a week+, is basically unacceptable in my opinion.
i'm very glad i did not support either of them at launch. when i heard about both of them at their reveal, i was pretty interested in both. thankfully i didn't purchase either.
I tried to join some matchmaking games yesterday, I couldn't join anything. I guess the patches they've done so far haven't really fixed the whole problem.
The main matchmaking fix patch is supposed to drop later this week according to the Halo Waypoint blog. Was supposed to be tomorrow but they pushed it back to add some more stuff in. Guess they don't figure a working multiplayer is all that important.
I don't usually get upset at stuff like this and am not particularly "upset" now, but I bought the game mainly to play multiplayer with some guys at work and none of us have been able to do anything other than small custom games with just us, and half of the time that's a pain to get us in a working group. The stars have to align for 3 or 4 of us to get in and stay in.
If the patch later this week doesn't help, I'm going to ask Microsoft for a refund on my digital copy.
Possibly some good news:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/...-master-chief-collection-content-update-notes
Matchmaking patches coming today.
but i guess the 20gb day update was a sign that the game simply was not ready for production.
Yeah, blaming the issues on the patch isn't reasonable. The "patch" wasn't bug fixes and such, it was inserting the multiplayer into the game. The campaigns took up more than 40 GB on-disc, and dual-layer Blu-Ray is 50 GB, so they couldn't fit the extra 15-20 GB (the final patch size got smaller than the initial 20 GB, was said to be 15 GB, but I didn't see it myself to confirm) onto the disc because of size.
I mean, on the one hand, I agree that there are too many simple things which should have been fixed. On the other hand, the game's so complex and ambitious, putting 4 VERY different games together (especially from an online multiplayer standpoint) is going to lead to some issues. While it sucks when games release with serious bugs, 9 days isn't a horrible wait for the patch, and I'd imagine that delaying the same 2-4 weeks would have done little to change things, as what they needed was to see this in a live test bed. A beta would have helped, but simply delaying wouldn't have done much to help find multiplayer exploits and check server integrity/functionality.
all the stuff in your second paragraph is just an excuse for the most part. if we as customers know that it's super complex and tough to put together, then the developers know that as well. and when things aren't ready to go out, that is why you delay them.
they simply released it now to get it out for the holiday season.
also, if the 20gb patch was simply multiplayer, i hope they put on the box that multiplayer was not included for those people who don't care about online, because they wouldn't even be able to play local multiplayer if they don't connect their x1 to the internet.
Yep they wanted to release ahead of GTA I am sure.
Obviously they knew it was complex, but a lot of the issues, you have to have a game setting to discover. I can accept the argument that not having a beta was stupid, but simply delaying it wouldn't have solved a lot of the map glitches and connectivity issues, because they probably wouldn't have seen that stuff without actually having the game going, which meant having a beta, not delaying the launch (they could have had a beta 6 months ago and not changed the release date).
Of course they wanted it out for the holidays, and we also know that the media (more so, Sony fanboys) would have railed n Microsoft for a delay. With the way games have generally launched with issues (Unity, Advanced Warfare), having a week of complaints from users is FAR more tolerable than a month or two of complaints because of a launch delay that wouldn't fix things without a beta, most likely. Point being, they needed a beta, but I guess they cared more about nostalgia launching and such than getting complained at during a beta, in order to get the multiplayer right.
Lastly, the box doesn't mention it. All it says, vaguely, is, "[a]dditional storage, hardware, and Xbox Live may be required for setup, some updates, and features, including retention of some gameplay settings and information." That statement covers their patch, but not explicitly, and all the power to anyone who didn't stumble upon an article on the Internet and was mad over the issue. They definitely should have gone with 2 discs over a massive patch, as they're forcing DSL users to suffer hours (some probably over a day) to get that installed.
I can make an educated guess. I mean, how are they going to test that stuff without anyone there to test it? Server connections would have been tougher to verify when the matchmaking was running such a small pool of testers, and there's no guarantee all of the glitches would have been found. I wouldn't say it's any more "pulling it out of my ass" than your statement that a delay would have fixed it. I mean, Driveclub got delayed twice, releasing about a year after it was expected, and look at their online situation.
That makes no sense, when you consider that Halo had that release date before there was even an announcement of GTA for the new consoles, let alone on 11/18.
I always thought playing halo on a console was one of the worst experiences of my life coming from playing PC games for hours a day. I'm pretty good at PC FPS and pretty below average at console FPS.
a delay WOULD have fixed it if they delayed it long enough to fix it. i'm not saying that if they delayed it a week that it would automatically be fixed. i'm saying if they delayed it as long as necessary to get it fixed, it would have been fixed at launch. it's a pretty simple concept.
but your argument is basically a strawman argument at this point.
I always thought playing halo on a console was one of the worst experiences of my life coming from playing PC games for hours a day. I'm pretty good at PC FPS and pretty below average at console FPS.
He's saying that the issues with matchmaking would not have been discovered with a delay. Which may or may not be true. I would speculate that it is true, because I haven't heard any stories from any testers claiming that matchmaking was a known problem prior to release, so it makes sense that it was a bug that may have been related to load issues. Some bugs can't be discovered until after release. Some bugs are discovered faster after release as opposed to further testing.
In any case, it's neither here nor there. The way the software market works and how easy and relatively painless it is to distribute updates, stuff is going to be released with bugs. It's more profitable that way. The amount of revenue lost from pushing a release date back > The amount of revenue lost from costumer dissatisfaction from a bugged product. Truth is, a month from now, nobody is going to care about the matchmaking problems.