Hardball with Bernie sanders

[ivwshane]

Anyone else watching this? Mathews is grilling Bernie, not on the issues but on how he will get things done. Bernie is failing miserably.

Every time Bernie brings up a talking point Mathews agrees and tells him it's a good point but then Mathews fires back, "how? How do you get it done?".

 

[nickqt]

Anyone else watching this? Mathews is grilling Bernie, not on the issues but on how he will get things done. Bernie is failing miserably.

Every time Bernie brings up a talking point Mathews agrees and tells him it's a good point but then Mathews fires back, "how? How do you get it done?".

Chris Matthews is a blowhard schmuck.

He has access to a candidate who acknowledges the actual problems, and solutions require: 1. Sanders be the Nominee; 2. Sanders be elected President; 3. The House and Senate changes hands, with actual progressives / liberals / Democratic socialists elected.

Sanders has said this over and over. He alone can't accomplish what he wants to do, as neither HRC, nor any Republican, will be able to do what they want to do with the status quo makeup of Congress. And I don't see the Senate getting too much more Republican, so there's the 60 vote hurdle to pass anything, regardless of who occupies the White House.

Sanders requires more than election as President, and it's unlikely that he is able to get everything passed in 8 years, nevermind the first 2 years in which he's almost guaranteed to have a Republican House and at best a slightly-Democratic Senate.

He can say that, but it is irrelevant...unless the fact that only an all-powerful dictator is going to be able to accomplish what they want by sheer willpower alone is a permissible, acceptable answer. Of course Trump would just answer that he'll be able to get everything passed because he's such an unbelievable negotiator, and that he would be able to accomplish everything by sheer willpower alone....which is interesting, I guess.

 

[cubby1223]

Chris Matthews is a blowhard schmuck.

He has access to a candidate who acknowledges the actual problems, and solutions require: 1. Sanders be the Nominee; 2. Sanders be elected President; 3. The House and Senate changes hands, with actual progressives / liberals / Democratic socialists elected.

You forgot a few more conditions for his solutions to materialize:

4. Sanders must be elected to all House and Senate seats; 5. Sanders must be appointed to all judge positions; 6. Sanders must be appointed CEO of all corporations; 7. Sanders must be elected every governor, every mayor, every state and local representative in the nation; 8. Sanders must morph himself into every person in America.

Then his solutions might have a chance at doing something remotely productive.

 

[nickqt]

You forgot a few more conditions for his solutions to materialize:

4. Sanders must be elected to all House and Senate seats; 5. Sanders must be appointed to all judge positions; 6. Sanders must be appointed CEO of all corporations; 7. Sanders must be elected every governor, every mayor, every state and local representative in the nation; 8. Sanders must morph himself into every person in America.

Then his solutions might have a chance at doing something remotely productive.

You're right. Here in observable reality, every other country that has policies that Sanders proposes have elected Bernie Sanders and his three hundred thousand clones into all elected offices, appointed Bernie Sanders and his clones into all judicial positions, appointed Bernie Sanders and his clone to all CEO positions, and elected Bernie Sanders and his clones into all other elected positions in those countries.

Because Sanders has already morphed himself into all of those positions in all of those other countries, because holy fuck I am talking like a delusional conservative someone please lock me up, help, is anyone out there, what is going on, where am I, this is not my beautiful house, help, anyone, help.

 

[cubby1223]

You're right. Here in observable reality, every other country that has policies that Sanders proposes have elected Bernie Sanders and his three hundred thousand clones into all elected offices, appointed Bernie Sanders and his clones into all judicial positions, appointed Bernie Sanders and his clone to all CEO positions, and elected Bernie Sanders and his clones into all other elected positions in those countries.

Because Sanders has already morphed himself into all of those positions in all of those other countries, because holy fuck I am talking like a delusional conservative someone please lock me up, help, is anyone out there, what is going on, where am I, this is not my beautiful house, help, anyone, help.

Thanks for proving you are an uninformed voter.

 

[nickqt]

Thanks for proving you are an uninformed voter.

Sick burn, delusional conservative!

 

[cubby1223]

Sick burn, delusional conservative!

If you are going to continue being worthless, please do us all a favor and be worthless somewhere else.

Thanks and regards

 

[nickqt]

If you are going to continue being worthless, please do us all a favor and be worthless somewhere else.

Thanks and regards

If you're going to continue being worthless, please do us all a favor and be worthless somewhere else.

Thanks, and regards.

 

[sportage]

I've followed Bernie and Bernie does make some very good points, but...
Bernie has no solution. He only points out the problem.
Bernie believes the people will rise up and create the change needed.
So did Jimmy Carter preach the same.
Well, that 99% gave it a shot and look what happened. Nada.
A few tents, pot, parties, then nada.

We seem to love this cranky old man, but that is where it ends.
If Bernie expects American to rise up over anything besides the outrageous high cost of that new iPhone, Bernie must think he lives in France or some European country.
Americans don't rise up over anything, outside of reality TV or voting for the best burger.
I won't say Bernie is a socialist, because I think that would be a good thing.
Bernie is not a socialist, Bernie is an European at heart.
God bless him, but please don't elect him.
I personally do not want to be ruled for four long years by an idiot like Trump or Cruz or God forbid Rubio.
A vote for Bernie would ensure a republican victory...
Come-on college kids. You're smarter than THAT I would hope?
Surely you can see a vote for Bernie equals a president Donald Trump. Or Cruz. Or Rubio. Followed by outrageous increases of college tuition.
But you need not worry about the high cost of college tuition after "THE BOMB" falls on top of your chosen university.

 

[Jaskalas]

As commander the President's job is to set policy.
It is who he hires that has to implement it.

He isn't supposed to be the man to "get the job done". He just has to be the one who hires that man.

 

[chucky2]

I like Bernie (I don't agree with a lot he says, but he I feel is as sincere as a Politician could be expected to be), so I wonder...

...could he actually be expected to have the 'How will you accomplish this?' answers before becoming POTUS for a lot of this stuff? I mean, it's like someone asking candidate Rauner for IL Gov (who got elected) 'How will you fix IL?'. Just HowTF do you truly chose to provide a real answer when the real answer is, I won't know until I get elected and get my people in there to see how F'd up it really is (the view the Pub can't see) and what can be done.

Some of the answers to these (I caught like 2 min of this and then had to do) are complex, I feel like they're gotcha questions in a way since these can't be answered on a talk show.

 

[ivwshane]

I like Bernie (I don't agree with a lot he says, but he I feel is as sincere as a Politician could be expected to be), so I wonder...

...could he actually be expected to have the 'How will you accomplish this?' answers before becoming POTUS for a lot of this stuff? I mean, it's like someone asking candidate Rauner for IL Gov (who got elected) 'How will you fix IL?'. Just HowTF do you truly chose to provide a real answer when the real answer is, I won't know until I get elected and get my people in there to see how F'd up it really is (the view the Pub can't see) and what can be done.

Some of the answers to these (I caught like 2 min of this and then had to do) are complex, I feel like they're gotcha questions in a way since these can't be answered on a talk show.

He was asked how he would get a filibuster proof majority to vote for his policies in the current congress. He was then asked who he has talked to in the Senate that would support his policies. He was then asked what legislation he has ever worked on that required any of that. He either didn't have an answer or he could only point one piece of legislation a bill to overhaul the VA. Those aren't gotcha questions, that's reality.

By contrast, did you see hillary's town hall where she was asked similar questions? She had an answer for every one and they weren't your typical political BS like every trump answer to a political question ever.

I like bernie and I'd have no problem voting for him but I'm under no illusion of what he would actually be able to accomplish.

 

[trenchfoot]

He was asked how he would get a filibuster proof majority to vote for his policies in the current congress. He was then asked who he has talked to in the Senate that would support his policies. He was then asked what legislation he has ever worked on that required any of that. He either didn't have an answer or he could only point one piece of legislation a bill to overhaul the VA. Those aren't gotcha questions, that's reality.

By contrast, did you see hillary's town hall where she was asked similar questions? She had an answer for every one and they weren't your typical political BS like every trump answer to a political question ever.

I like bernie and I'd have no problem voting for him but I'm under no illusion of what he would actually be able to accomplish.

I pretty much feel the same way. It seems to me he's going to have to rely on a yuuuuge overpowering wave of public support to get his agenda off and running in the right direction.

To do that, he's going to have to bridge the abyss that the political rivalry between the two political parties represent.

He needs to make his fight a battle of classes and not one of political stripe. He needs to gather up the middle class and the poor from both parties along with those moody independents to see any kind of success come his way.

 

[Jaskalas]

I like bernie and I'd have no problem voting for him but I'm under no illusion of what he would actually be able to accomplish.

How much is a veto for the next war worth?
Hillary proved she could corrupt Obama into adventures.
I doubt she'd hesitate given the chance.

At least Bernie is not a Neocon.

 

[ivwshane]

I pretty much feel the same way. It seems to me he's going to have to rely on a yuuuuge overpowering wave of public support to get his agenda off and running in the right direction.

To do that, he's going to have to bridge the abyss that the political rivalry between the two political parties represent.

He needs to make his fight a battle of classes and not one of political stripe. He needs to gather up the middle class and the poor from both parties along with those moody independents to see any kind of success come his way.

Sadly, voter turnout for dems this year isn't looking that great.

 

[ivwshane]

How much is a veto for the next war worth?
Hillary proved she could corrupt Obama into adventures.
I doubt she'd hesitate given the chance.

At least Bernie is not a Neocon.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[cbrunny]

You forgot a few more conditions for his solutions to materialize:

4. Sanders must be elected to all House and Senate seats; 5. Sanders must be appointed to all judge positions; 6. Sanders must be appointed CEO of all corporations; 7. Sanders must be elected every governor, every mayor, every state and local representative in the nation; 8. Sanders must morph himself into every person in America.

Then his solutions might have a chance at doing something remotely productive.

This doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[cbrunny]

You have a system that is literally designed to get nothing done. One that is structured to reject new policy regardless of what it is. And yet the biggest question you have is not "How can we change the system to get things done?" and instead is "That guy wants to change things, but how can he get anything done?"

You are asking the wrong question. Your system needs an overhaul. Getting things done actually reduces the level of political extremism generally, which might actually save your country.

 

[Bowfinger]

What the fuck are you talking about?

I think he's simply pointing out that Clinton is way more hawkish than Sanders. She will tend to get us into wars; Sanders will tend to keep us out of them.

I do think the OP points out one of Sanders' biggest weaknesses: he has great ideas, but lacks solid plans to turn them into reality. That's a gap, but not necessarily a show stopper. Good leaders set strategies and inspire others. They don't have to personally have solutions for everything as long as they surround themselves with good people. Can Sanders do that? It won't be easy.

 

[Bowfinger]

Thanks for proving you are an uninformed voter.

You posted nonsense. His rebuttal was right on target.

 

[fskimospy]

You have a system that is literally designed to get nothing done. One that is structured to reject new policy regardless of what it is. And yet the biggest question you have is not "How can we change the system to get things done?" and instead is "That guy wants to change things, but how can he get anything done?"

You are asking the wrong question. Your system needs an overhaul. Getting things done actually reduces the level of political extremism generally, which might actually save your country.

Obama accomplished more from 2008 to 2010 than any president has in two years in decades at a minimum. Do you think his accomplishments increased or decreased extremism?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Obama accomplished more from 2008 to 2010 than any president has in two years in decades at a minimum. Do you think his accomplishments increased or decreased extremism?

I think you are romanticizing a bit. I know you'll now post some list of crap Obama got done but lets face it most of it is crap if most people can't identify what was done besides ACA. I would rather have less but more effective legislation than tons of useless stuff. Personally I don't hate Obama, I voted for him twice but overall he get a mediocre grade for his Presidency.

Back on topic. I heard parts of the Bernie interview you are correct in the sense that Bernie is really banking on a huge voter turn out that gives D' & I's a majority in the Senate and close the gap in the house plus hopefully take the House on his second term. While Bernie does have a plan I don't think its a realistic plan basically he is missing the R part of a S.M.A.R.T action plan. Bernie currently is the guy my heart wants to vote for but my brain says there is no way he is going to achieve any of his major platforms.

 

[Sonikku]

I don't think he could get much of the things he wants done. But here's the rub; Hillary/Rubio/Cruz etc would get things done, but by "get things done" I mean funnel more tax payer money to the elite in the form of lucrative subsidies and government contracts while making up the difference by shortchanging infrastructure. The repubs would take it a step further by shifting funds from public education to the military. In short, things will get done but it will basically be limited to things that make life harder for the typical American.

Sanders prospects in contrast promise to give us no change one way or the other. He doesn't have the power to get the things he does want, but he DOES have Veto power to curb stomp the things the elite want, like more proxy wars and bullshit free trade policies.

 

[fskimospy]

I think you are romanticizing a bit. I know you'll now post some list of crap Obama got done but lets face it most of it is crap if most people can't identify what was done besides ACA. I would rather have less but more effective legislation than tons of useless stuff. Personally I don't hate Obama, I voted for him twice but overall he get a mediocre grade for his Presidency.

I don't think so. If you can name a more productive time period I'd love to hear it. My guess is you will be going back a long time. We got the ARRA, the ACA, and Dodd-Frank in just over 18 months. That's incredible. Whether or not people can identify it doesn't really matter. I mean how many people could identify Glass-Steagall until the financial crisis?

Back on topic. I heard parts of the Bernie interview you are correct in the sense that Bernie is really banking on a huge voter turn out that gives D' & I's a majority in the Senate and close the gap in the house plus hopefully take the House on his second term. While Bernie does have a plan I don't think its a realistic plan basically he is missing the R part of a S.M.A.R.T action plan. Bernie currently is the guy my heart wants to vote for but my brain says there is no way he is going to achieve any of his major platforms.

I have to say I keep hearing this and I really don't agree. His HEART is in the right place, but we should all thank our lucky stars that he won't be able to implement what he claims he wants to as most of his plans are severely mathematically challenged. His health care plan, for example, seems to be off by literally trillions of dollars.

You might be able to say that once he gets in the White House that people will take him aside and force him to make new versions of his plans, but why is it a good thing to vote for someone when you're secretly hoping that other people will save you from the impact of their preferred policies?

 

[misle]

So what's worse:
Sanders getting into office and trying to implement his ideas
or
Clinton getting into office and continues to do the exact same thing as Bush & Obama

Seems like Sanders will bring at least a chance for substantial change, he'll also change the way we talk and look at the process, and if he gets absolutely nothing done, he'll be just as good as Hillary.