Hardwareanalysis bench are fake

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Biatche1488
They are FAKE some site said it its just a x800xtpe overclock
They did that because they are not invite at the official lauch
Just look at the half life 2 result 512mb+600mz+new architecture+faster memory+16shader+512bitringbus+youre all blind those bench are fake
And they dont talk about shader model 3 in splinter cell
And where they got there drivers we dont now they build them
The only card availble at this time its the x1800xl ati big partners can only get x800xl at this time

and you needed to start a seperate thread to post this bablle of conjecture?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Here is another link stating that the benches are fake. http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

Like I said, what is ATI going to say? They don't know for sure. You can bet their board makers have R520 chips if they're supposedly launching product in a few weeks. I seriously doubt they can ramp up production of a whole new product overnight?

when was the last time ati pr came out with a flat out lie? seems to me there was something other than the comments made last year (when they specifically denied paper luanches, then did a paper launch)? i seem to remember instances where ati's PR had their asses handed to them, but i can't remember specifically. anyone help?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Here is another link stating that the benches are fake. http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

Like I said, what is ATI going to say? They don't know for sure. You can bet their board makers have R520 chips if they're supposedly launching product in a few weeks. I seriously doubt they can ramp up production of a whole new product overnight?

when was the last time ati pr came out with a flat out lie? seems to me there was something other than the comments made last year (when they specifically denied paper luanches, then did a paper launch)? i seem to remember instances where ati's PR had their asses handed to them, but i can't remember specifically. anyone help?

Like who cares?

edit: I mean pr people lie and/or distort the truth on a regular basis. Why reroute this thread into a flamewar on the two companies past misdeeds - would be endless.

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Overgloc
Sander of HA have an axe to grind with ATI?


> From: Sander Sassen - Hardware Analysis
> [mailto:ssassen@hardwareanalysis.com]
> Sent: 08 September 2005 09:39
> To: Andrzej Bania
> Subject: Re: Editors Day

>
> So you're telling me I'm not invited is that it? I feel an ATI column
> coming
> up, lets see if we can drop the stock price shall we?
>
> Sander Sassen
> http://www.hardwareanalysis.com <http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/>

Methinks ATI should have given Sander a NDA and let him be a part of the festivities. ATI is probably kicking themselves for not doing it. Would have saved themselves a lot of grief. Sander would then have to wait like everyone else to show benches. I don't think they are fake benches. Not worth ruining one's reputation.

Keys do you really think ATI is concerned about that review ? If its true it doesn't matter because the Truth will be none . It can't hurt sells as their not for sell yet.
If its a Lie the truth will be none. It shouldn't hurt sells and if someone runs out and buys a G70 right now over that review Ati is way better off with out that user. Why?
If that article is false and ATI is infact 10% to 15% faster . ATI marketing is smart eough to Know. That person was ignorant to start with and thats the tpye of person ATI marketing want to by nvidia cards. WHY? ATI figures thats the same type of person that will do a bad install. You know the type there the ones at the orb. that have score 20% to 30% slower than a comparable PC, Than they go to forums and puts down that product. Its just good common since. Look it really doesn't matter who wins this around . ATI has owned the single card performance since the introduction of the R300. SO ATI has produced the most powerful gaming GPU for years now . But this it .This is the last generation of these cards. From here on out its Going to be WGF 2.0 and SM4 and ATI already has all the Specs. out there and running in the form of R500. So ATI's First desk top release of this GPU is in fact there secound generation. Of this GPU. So don't kid yourselves about who leads the industry. In GPU ownership as far as power goes. At this time right now the R500 is . Oh but thats a consol that don't count . YA RIGHT ITS ATI. IT IS proof of a working next generation GPU . THAT JUST SCREAMS performance

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Sander's article posted on Sep 16, 2005, 09:30 AM

Look at the stock for the 16th for ATI. Linky

If Sander did not post factual benches, he is in deep you know what. It seems to have effected the stock a bit as the release of the article does coincide with the time the drop took place. If it's not true, can Sander be held liable for messing with stock prices by defamation? Interesting.

I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

This poor guy? Are you kidding me? This guy is getting exactly what he deserves. If someone was threatening your company and trying to strong arm you into getting his way, would you sit back and take it? Frankly before today I never heard of this guy's website and IMO ATI was right in not giving him a card.... he's clearly shown he's not a professional and is a childish nerd who didn't get his new toy so he's acting out.

In the end he had no impact on the stock (losing a penny is not an impact) and he's probably caused himself more grief than he's caused ATI.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: ronnn



I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

This poor guy? Are you kidding me? This guy is getting exactly what he deserves. If someone was threatening your company and trying to strong arm you into getting his way, would you sit back and take it? Frankly before today I never heard of this guy's website and IMO ATI was right in not giving him a card.... he's clearly shown he's not a professional and is a childish nerd who didn't get his new toy so he's acting out.

In the end he had no impact on the stock (losing a penny is not an impact) and he's probably caused himself more grief than he's caused ATI.

Growing up in a news room (not a news guy myself), I have seen many examples of using someone as a pawn. This has all the earmarking of that. Wouldn't be surprised if the benchies supplied to him were cleared through ati pr first. Of course all this takes Sanders active participation (and greed for the perks), but is still no fun to watch.

edited to have some content

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Sander's article posted on Sep 16, 2005, 09:30 AM

Look at the stock for the 16th for ATI. Linky

If Sander did not post factual benches, he is in deep you know what. It seems to have effected the stock a bit as the release of the article does coincide with the time the drop took place. If it's not true, can Sander be held liable for messing with stock prices by defamation? Interesting.

I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

This poor guy? Are you kidding me? This guy is getting exactly what he deserves. If someone was threatening your company and trying to strong arm you into getting his way, would you sit back and take it? Frankly before today I never heard of this guy's website and IMO ATI was right in not giving him a card.... he's clearly shown he's not a professional and is a childish nerd who didn't get his new toy so he's acting out.

In the end he had no impact on the stock (losing a penny is not an impact) and he's probably caused himself more grief than he's caused ATI.

QFT

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Here is another link stating that the benches are fake. http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

"This is a complete hoax - done with an OC'd X850, we think"

Done.

I'm not saying that Iam buying in to the BS I'm just adding fuel to the controversy

fancy a beer? i ve got a lawn chair, seats two

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: jasonja
Rollo,

Why the hell do you waste so much time bashing ATI? If you don't like their products, don't buy them. It's quite simple. I don't like nVidia... but I don't jump on every thread and bash them and post every story I can find about them. I simply don't buy their products. Get a girlfriend or take up a hobby.. their's more to life than bashing ATI.

You don't know anything about the insider trading ALLEGATIONS. ATI was never convicted of insider trading.. the settled the case. The case against the Ho is still pending. The new cases are simple ambulance chasing by lawyers who don't even have plaintiffs. Once again you read what you want to and distort the facts. nVidia is just as guilty of optimizations and they too had insider trading convictions of employees. They have trilinear optimizations and application specific cheats. Somehow you always seem to miss half of the story.

i bash ati at times.. i also defend them at times. same goes for nvidia.

it's just beyond me why people would be biased, one way or the other. they are corporations whose main goal is to accumulate as much $$$ as possible and to satisfy their shareholders. sometimes they come out with products which enhance one of the things i enjoy - computers. but do i care if it's nvidia or ati (or someone else) who comes out with the product which most benefits my endeavor? nope, i just go with the one i feel offers the best features/performance for the $.

i do not understand why anyone would "like" one over the other. that's just fkn silly...

as for this whole benchmark thing, i believe the #'s are accurate for the 520 that's out there now with current drivers, and tend to agree with faud over at the inq:

But our informative birdie told us that those scores are little bit below what you should see at final product. Remember that despite ATI said to the world + dog that the card will work at 600 MHz core and 1400 MHz memory they can chance those details until the launch in first week of October. So be careful and bare in mind that those drivers are in beta phase so maybe company can tweak thing or two.

If those numbers are final ATI lost the race already. We believe that numbers are genuine but final board with final drivers can maybe even run faster."

and again, i don't see how those #'s are THAT bad.. ati has said nothing other than r520 would be "competitive" with g70, and isn't that what we are seeing? seems the only ones who should be truly disappointed are ati fanbois who were unrealistically hoping for a g70 "killer" from ati...

crossfire, on the other hand looks to be a complete fiasco.....especially all those who earlier touted how much more 'elegant' of a solution it was over nv's sli...

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

crossfire, on the other hand looks to be a complete fiasco.....especially all those who earlier touted how much more 'elegant' of a solution it was over nv's sli...

How can a dual card solution be more "elegant"?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas

Originally posted by: Rollo
Did ATI tell us about the 16X12 at 60Hz limitation of their crappy multi-GPU pseudo-solution? No. We had to learn about it from Rage3d and Penstarsys.

There has been information available for a couple of days now that clearly explains that this is probably not true. And what exactly is with the "crappy multi-GPU pseudo-solution" comment? Clearly anti-ATI sentiment being expressed here, and not particularly subtle either.

too late, 3rd partys have confirmed the limitation

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I think those of you that think the benchmarks are fake because some whacky french site or ATi PR rep doing damage control say so, you need to pick option 4 for the poll I put up yesterday.

you cant trust the french

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: ronnn



I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

This poor guy? Are you kidding me? This guy is getting exactly what he deserves. If someone was threatening your company and trying to strong arm you into getting his way, would you sit back and take it? Frankly before today I never heard of this guy's website and IMO ATI was right in not giving him a card.... he's clearly shown he's not a professional and is a childish nerd who didn't get his new toy so he's acting out.

In the end he had no impact on the stock (losing a penny is not an impact) and he's probably caused himself more grief than he's caused ATI.

Growing up in a news room (not a news guy myself), I have seen many examples of using someone as a pawn. This has all the earmarking of that. Wouldn't be surprised if the benchies supplied to him were cleared through ati pr first. Of course all this takes Sanders active participation (and greed for the perks), but is still no fun to watch.

edited to have some content

Maybe ATI killed JFK too? Give me a break and stop with the conspiracy theory. Why on earth would ATI be interested in getting benchmarks posted that reflected poorly on their new product. He wasn't a pawn.. he was a moron on a mission.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: johnnqq
NOTHING is better than motor racing.

fixed

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jasonja
Rollo,

Why the hell do you waste so much time bashing ATI? If you don't like their products, don't buy them. It's quite simple. I don't like nVidia... but I don't jump on every thread and bash them and post every story I can find about them. I simply don't buy their products. Get a girlfriend or take up a hobby.. their's more to life than bashing ATI.

You don't know anything about the insider trading ALLEGATIONS. ATI was never convicted of insider trading.. the settled the case. The case against the Ho is still pending. The new cases are simple ambulance chasing by lawyers who don't even have plaintiffs. Once again you read what you want to and distort the facts. nVidia is just as guilty of optimizations and they too had insider trading convictions of employees. They have trilinear optimizations and application specific cheats. Somehow you always seem to miss half of the story.

heh hes married with kids?

he can and does buy alot of video cards, so hes got more experience with a wider range than alot of us

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
its clear that sander has a vendetta towards ATi, the email and this quote makes me tip the favor to "the benchies are fake camp"

I have had some experience with a R520 and I have to say I find the results somewhat suspect. I am not going to get into an "Nvidia V ATI" debacle, the current Nvidia 7800 hardware is first class and has received a heavenly hardware gold award on Driverheaven, the issue at hand are the methods it appears some sites are getting their "results" of unreleased hardware. The results at Hardwareanalysis are scores ive achieved with an overclocked X850XT PE and not a R520 graphics card. I can't help feel with the context of the editorial is it merely a "stab" at ATI for being kept out of the loop.

well you have to admit, its been an effective stab.....just look at this thread

 

[solofly]

http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866

:evil:

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Sander's article posted on Sep 16, 2005, 09:30 AM

Look at the stock for the 16th for ATI. Linky

If Sander did not post factual benches, he is in deep you know what. It seems to have effected the stock a bit as the release of the article does coincide with the time the drop took place. If it's not true, can Sander be held liable for messing with stock prices by defamation? Interesting.

I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

what so ati could be making him release false info, so they can blast through with a last second save and produce a GFX thats a beast. man i never want to get into marketing and politics, ill stick with engineering, then all i have to do is build the damn thing

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: ronnn



I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

This poor guy? Are you kidding me? This guy is getting exactly what he deserves. If someone was threatening your company and trying to strong arm you into getting his way, would you sit back and take it? Frankly before today I never heard of this guy's website and IMO ATI was right in not giving him a card.... he's clearly shown he's not a professional and is a childish nerd who didn't get his new toy so he's acting out.

In the end he had no impact on the stock (losing a penny is not an impact) and he's probably caused himself more grief than he's caused ATI.

Growing up in a news room (not a news guy myself), I have seen many examples of using someone as a pawn. This has all the earmarking of that. Wouldn't be surprised if the benchies supplied to him were cleared through ati pr first. Of course all this takes Sanders active participation (and greed for the perks), but is still no fun to watch.

edited to have some content

Maybe ATI killed JFK too? Give me a break and stop with the conspiracy theory. Why on earth would ATI be interested in getting benchmarks posted that reflected poorly on their new product. He wasn't a pawn.. he was a moron on a mission.

everyone likes a good conspiracy.....people make sh!t up all the time to get people going

but i think ronns idea could be possible, just when people think ATI have washed out, they remove the NDA and blam.....wicked pie GPU comes out. and even if its only slightly faster than NV, it'll still look better because theyre comparing it to poor benchmarks from HA?

 

[Turtle 1]

You guys these kinda flames are coming to an end its pretty much done. This next generation both cards from nvida and ati are going to over take the cpus.

Here on its its going to be visual quality. We all be flaming :/ Screen effects. Clarity and 3Dism.

It well be flame wars with 3D visuals. So cool can.t wait

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: solofly
http://hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866

:evil:

interesting. dutch this time, whats their reason for not being under NDA?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

crossfire, on the other hand looks to be a complete fiasco.....especially all those who earlier touted how much more 'elegant' of a solution it was over nv's sli...

How can a dual card solution be more "elegant"?

well, i suppose that quite subjective, but i was referring to some ppl stating x-fire was a more "elegant" solution than sli

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: ronnn


I am surprised at Ati releasing those emails. Either they are personally very mad at this guy and lost sight of reason or Ati really wants his numbers to get big play. Pr is a complex art and Ati tends to be quite good at it - so it does leave one to wonder. It is an exceptionly ugly thing to run this poor Sander guy through the guantlet like this. :thumbsdown:

what so ati could be making him release false info, so they can blast through with a last second save and produce a GFX thats a beast. man i never want to get into marketing and politics, ill stick with engineering, then all i have to do is build the damn thing

No one is suggesting that Ati made him do anything, appears his own greed took care of that part. Not even suggesting the benchies are false. I am suggesting that Ati is certainly making use of this. Will repeat again, having your weaknesses exposed before launch can be very useful. A little improvement and things suddenly look better than expected and with other positvie stuff - can certainly make for more positive reviews. Preparing the ground before a launch is what all good pr departments do. Why do you think the chosen few get to go on a nice junket? (at least I think someone said something about this happening)

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I think those of you that think the benchmarks are fake because some whacky french site or ATi PR rep doing damage control say so, you need to pick option 4 for the poll I put up yesterday.

you cant trust the french

actually it's danish, isn't it?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
You guys these kinda flames are coming to an end its pretty much done. This next generation both cards from nvida and ati are going to over take the cpus.

Here on its its going to be visual quality. We all be flaming Screen effects. Clarity and 3Dism.

It well be flame wars with 3D visuals. So cool can.t wait

yeah, i dont think it really matters if ATI's card is slower than NV's in the big scheme of things, theyre both still gonna be big handfulls of GPU, your still gonna get stella performance
though paying a $150 more for a slower product is questionable.

yeah i think that in the end its going to come down to who has the better IQ, and that will then que the nit-pickers who freeze frame every frame rendered and use a fine tooth comb to find where one IQ is better than the other.