The only problem is AMD will have updated Trinity (richland) which scores 20% more in 3dmark11 versus previous top mobile part 4600m. It's a moving target in Q2 and it will move once more in Q3/Q4 with Kaveri which will widen the gap even more in mobile sector(32nm->28nm, GCN 2.0 vs VLIW5,higher clocks- you get the picture). I still think Haswell will be a massive step in the right direction for intel but I doubt it will pose a threat to Trinity's/richland's iGPU .Search Anandtech for Haswell IDF coverage.
I'm thinking it'll end up at ~1GHz for the quad core GT3. With 640GFlops, that's approximately double what a Ivy Bridge GT2 running at 1.3GHz achieves. Since 20% gain in average will be enough to match Trinity in the mobile, they should be able to do it with GT2 alone. Of course they'll still be behind for Desktop.
but Haswell increases more than computational performance as well. Like doubling fixed function pipeline performance, and increase in texture performance in some scenarios up to 4x. Also adding the Resource Streamer to reduce driver bottlenecks. Those should help a lot to close up in the weak areas.
The only problem is AMD will have updated Trinity (richland) which scores 20% more in 3dmark11 versus previous top mobile part 4600m. It's a moving target in Q2 and it will move once more in Q3/Q4 with Kaveri which will widen the gap even more in mobile sector(32nm->28nm, GCN 2.0 vs VLIW5,higher clocks- you get the picture). I still think Haswell will be a massive step in the right direction for intel but I doubt it will pose a threat to Trinity's/richland's iGPU .
Kaveri is coming a year later from Richland, not 1-2 quarters. That puts its competition with Broadwell.
At the least Haswell should close up any gap left on the mobile side.
That instilled a bit more confidence in me for AMD. At least they're trying to launch it by the end of this year.Not according to the presentation that AMD gave yesterday.
Here is a question.
What happens if Intel manages to bring out a chip which is vastly superior to everything ARM has to offer? Both in terms of performance and power efficiency?
Would companies like Apple and Samsung drop their own CPUs and adapt Intel's?
because if they don't, they will be selling inferior products ( something Apple couldn't live with ) and if they do, they will be at the mercy of Intel for the rest of their lives.
Any thoughts?
Just hate that the GT3 ain't on an LGA1150...
They can't. They are still playing catch-up. ARM chips aren't stopping improving, Tegra 4 was announced and The new SnapDragons also.
And then comes markets. ARM is every where. Intel is not.
Personally, the only reason I see ARM as limited in the PC space is OS support. Put Win8/Pro and Mac OS in an ARM, now what?
But sooner or later something will happen, and I like that. Its not boring anymore.
In a few years, maybe in 2014, will see Intel vs Nvidia vs AMD vs Samsung vs Qualcomm vs Apple vs Whatever else. Everyone is doing "cpu" and "gpu" now. We will get better products with all that competition. I think.
Well there's still cost, which you didn't mention. Possibly Intel's greatest weakness is with cost, rather than performance, perf/watt or power.
But if they did win on every front, like you suggested, then Intel wins. Period. I don't think there's any room for alternative hypotheses.
But cost is a major and often overlooked concern.
They can't. They are still playing catch-up. ARM chips aren't stopping improving, Tegra 4 was announced and The new SnapDragons also.
And then comes markets. ARM is every where. Intel is not.
Personally, the only reason I see ARM as limited in the PC space is OS support. Put Win8/Pro and Mac OS in an ARM, now what?
But sooner or later something will happen, and I like that. Its not boring anymore.
In a few years, maybe in 2014, will see Intel vs Nvidia vs AMD vs Samsung vs Qualcomm vs Apple vs Whatever else. Everyone is doing "cpu" and "gpu" now. We will get better products with all that competition. I think.
Well, IF ( a big one of course ) they do pull a big rabbit out of their hat, they could afford to sell at low prices for a few years untel ARM is dead and buried, and then having regained their monopoly charge as they please.
The EU and US would be all over them for anticompetitive practices.
Not according to the presentation that AMD gave yesterday.
Yep, just saw that. Chip companies rarely do this, they are probably really desperate.
The EU and US would be all over them for anticompetitive practices.
Nothing anticompetitive in selling at low prices.
Well there's still cost, which you didn't mention. Possibly Intel's greatest weakness is with cost, rather than performance, perf/watt or power.
But if they did win on every front, like you suggested, then Intel wins. Period. I don't think there's any room for alternative hypotheses.
But cost is a major and often overlooked concern.
Yep, just saw that. Chip companies rarely do this, they are probably really desperate.
But Richland seems much too short-lived to be worthwhile.
Yep, just saw that. Chip companies rarely do this, they are probably really desperate.