Haswell vs haswell refresh?

[escrow4]

I don't overclock, and both my systems run 4770's. Won't be upgrading until Skylake. or more than likely, beyond. And no, the 4771 was like $30 more which is just ridiculous price gouging over here so I passed.

 

[tweakboy]

YOu all upgrading,, soon Boardwalk will come.

 

[tweakboy]

NO difference, your already getting 200fps with vsync off .,,,,,,, lets continue that trend.

 

[Neal.a.nelson]

I'm no expert, but I assembled a computer in 2012 and am asking the same question, which I will rephrase as "8 series motherboard now or 9 series motherboard in a few months?"
I gotta say, if I had an i7, any i7, and was interested in having 2 computers sometime soon, I would definitely replace the PSU with an eye to running a single GPU, say, 500W 80+ Gold. Take that old computer apart and give it new life -if it doesn't work for gaming or HTPC I would be surprised, but you will have practiced for your build, and you'll have something to sell. Two cents.

 

[ShintaiDK]

9 series doesnt offer much vs 8 series.

I for once personally wouldnt care if it was 8 or 9 series, like I for example would with previous versions.

H97 and Z97 will be the only versions of the 9 series. Note that SATA Express is removed.

 

[tweakboy]

Hawaii ! skylake is not a upgrade if you already have a powerful 8 thread CPU and a 460 GT or 560 Ti ,,,,,,,,, any more questions let me know. gl

 

[Pheesh]

Keep in mind that +100Mhz for refresh is only confirmed for non-K at this point. K frequencies have not been revealed. They are rolling out the K sku's later than the non-K which is unusual, so it's possible there is a greater difference.

 

[JumBie]

Keep in mind that +100Mhz for refresh is only confirmed for non-K at this point. K frequencies have not been revealed. They are rolling out the K sku's later than the non-K which is unusual, so it's possible there is a greater difference.

Well its most likely just going to be a 100mhz clock increase w/ unlock capabilities. Which is just like the other generation refreshes.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Keep in mind that +100Mhz for refresh is only confirmed for non-K at this point. K frequencies have not been revealed. They are rolling out the K sku's later than the non-K which is unusual, so it's possible there is a greater difference.

The K model is Broadwell-K.

 

[Pheesh]

The K model is Broadwell-K.

"Haswell Refresh products with unlocked multiplier, or "K" versions, will be launched in the third quarter. Also in Q3, Intel is going to release Haswell-E extreme microprocessors."

 

[ShintaiDK]

"Haswell Refresh products with unlocked multiplier, or "K" versions, will be launched in the third quarter. Also in Q3, Intel is going to release Haswell-E extreme microprocessors."

I wouldnt count on that. Its pretty meaningless to release a new Haswell-K model that as such doesnt offer anything over the current K models, only to be made EOL shortly after by Broadwell-K.

 

[jpiniero]

I wouldnt count on that. Its pretty meaningless to release a new Haswell-K model that as such doesnt offer anything over the current K models, only to be made EOL shortly after by Broadwell-K.

Broadwell-K isn't going to EOL the Haswell Refresh-K at all.

 

[escrow4]

If you have a 4770 there is no reason to upgrade until Skylake at least. If you have Sandy I'd consider Broadwell at least for the platfrom improvements and overall speed increases. Pretty simple in the end. From a tech perspective its pretty meh.

 

[Pheesh]

I wouldnt count on that. Its pretty meaningless to release a new Haswell-K model that as such doesnt offer anything over the current K models, only to be made EOL shortly after by Broadwell-K.

There's a lot less evidence for broadwell-K than there is for Haswell refresh-K. And again that's an assumption by you that it doesn't offer anything over current K models.

 

[Blue_Max]

New IGP as well? [shrug]

 

[Revolution 11]

In general, never wait for a "upgrade" to come out when you are buying PC parts. Get the CPU when you need it and don't worry about "futureproofing". CPU performance is increasing so slowly, you rarely have to worry about missing out on future increases.

 

[cantholdanymore]

If you have a 4770 there is no reason to upgrade until Skylake at least. If you have Sandy I'd consider Broadwell at least for the platfrom improvements and overall speed increases. Pretty simple in the end. From a tech perspective its pretty meh.

Skylake or bust

 

[coffeejunkee]

There's a lot less evidence for broadwell-K than there is for Haswell refresh-K. And again that's an assumption by you that it doesn't offer anything over current K models.

As I understand it there will only be Broadwell K models for the desktop and these will be 14nm parts. The rest of the lineup is made of Haswell refresh models, still on 22nm. Laptops will get a full 14nm Broadwell lineup (but no K models ofc).

But lets suppose Haswell refresh K, what can it possibly offer over current Haswell? It's still on 22nm process, maybe a bit more refined by now so you maybe get an extra 100MHz. I'm pretty sure Intel won't go back to soldering the ihs if that's what you're thinking.

 

[jpiniero]

But lets suppose Haswell refresh K, what can it possibly offer over current Haswell?

Not much, but does it really need to though?

 

[Wreckem]

9 series doesnt offer much vs 8 series.

I for once personally wouldnt care if it was 8 or 9 series, like I for example would with previous versions.

H97 and Z97 will be the only versions of the 9 series. Note that SATA Express is removed.

Yep it appears SATA Express was removed and native M.2 support was added. Otherwise everything is more or less them same as 8 Series. IIt doesn't appear SATA express will make its way to mainstream platforms until Series 10 and Skylake. There is still hope the enthusiast X99 platform will support it, we will have to wait and see. Other companies are moving forward(and Intel is encouraging them to do so) with SATA Express.

 

[Wreckem]

There's a lot less evidence for broadwell-K than there is for Haswell refresh-K. And again that's an assumption by you that it doesn't offer anything over current K models.

The only evidence you need of Broadwell-K is, there is ZERO reason for having a Series 9/Z97 desktop chipset if there is no Broadwell-K processor in the pipeline as they wouldn't have needed to re-pin Haswell Refresh/wouldn't have re-pinned Haswell refresh if they weren't going to release a Broadwell product. Skylake will clearly be getting a new chipset, as it will support sata express and DDR4 neither of which is supported by Z97. So again, there was no need for Series 9/Z97 if they were not going to bring Broadwell to the desktop. The question is, is Intel going to release Haswell Refresh K in Q3 and Broadwell-K in Q4/Q1 2015. Broadwell K is clearly coming, and its main improvement over Haswell/Haswell Refresh is a smaller process, better performance per watt, and better integrated graphics. Which means its not going to be all that much faster than current processors.

Other then a more mature 22nm process that could allow for better overclocking(that is the hope) Haswell Refresh offers nothing but a speed bump to Haswell.

At this point the only Haswell worth holding out for is the 8-core Haswell E. No point of waiting for Haswell Refresh or Broadwell because they don't really bring anything compelling to the desktop nor will they be bringing any ground shaking performance boosts. I am currently on Sandy, if X99 supports DDR4 and SATA Express. I'm in, if not. I'll be waiting until Skylake/Skylake-E.

 

[Blue_Max]

At this point the only Haswell worth holding out for is the 8-core Haswell E.

That 1150 or 2011? :\

 

[Wreckem]

That 1150 or 2011? :\

2011-3(the successor to 2011). Chipset set is X99 based on the Wellsburg chipset family. SATA express on natively on X99 is probably wishful thinking but I'm not sure why they would leave it out. Broadwell-E(if released, probably will be) would be using the same X99 chipset(Broadwell-EP uses the same Wellsburg family of chipsets). No new enthusiast chipset will likely appear until, at the earliest, Skylake-E.

That said, I am sure some motherboard manufacturers, Asus at the very least, will offer sata express on both Z97 and X99, even if Intel doesn't offer it natively on either one.

 

[coffeejunkee]

Not much, but does it really need to though?

No. But I was responding to Pheesh who seemed to imply it was a faulty assumption by Shintai that a hypothetical Haswell refresh-K would not offer anything over the current models.

The only evidence you need of Broadwell-K is, there is ZERO reason for having a Series 9/Z97 desktop chipset if there is no Broadwell-K processor in the pipeline as they wouldn't have needed to re-pin Haswell Refresh/wouldn't have re-pinned Haswell refresh if they weren't going to release a Broadwell product. Skylake will clearly be getting a new chipset, as it will support sata express and DDR4 neither of which is supported by Z97. So again, there was no need for Series 9/Z97 if they were not going to bring Broadwell to the desktop. The question is, is Intel going to release Haswell Refresh K in Q3 and Broadwell-K in Q4/Q1 2015. Broadwell K is clearly coming, and its main improvement over Haswell/Haswell Refresh is a smaller process, better performance per watt, and better integrated graphics. Which means its not going to be all that much faster than current processors.

Shintai's screenshot indicates Z97 doesn't use a new socket. It mentions support for Broadwell-K, Haswell refresh and normal Haswell.

So it seems only real and useful new feature is Intel rst for pci-e based ssd's.

 

[OCGuy]

But lets suppose Haswell refresh K, what can it possibly offer over current Haswell? It's still on 22nm process, maybe a bit more refined by now so you maybe get an extra 100MHz. I'm pretty sure Intel won't go back to soldering the ihs if that's what you're thinking.

It doesn't have to offer anything over the current lineup, because it won't compete with it. The new chips replace the current ones, which EOL. It has happened more than once before. If you are building a new system, you get a 100mhz bump. It isn't for someone with current Haswell to upgrade to.