Have High Blood Pressure?

[eits]

ABC NEWS:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCa...tory?id=4520614&page=1

VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTzKwvNbP0




discuss

 

[manlymatt83]

Repost

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=88&threadid=2153492

and wrong forum.

Double whammy

 

[mxyzptlk]

isn't that the monster/vampire from the anime Blood: The last Vampire? D:


edit: Oh, thats Chiropterans

My bad..

 

[torpid]

Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Repost

and wrong forum.

Double whammy

repost? where?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: torpid
Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

I crack my own neck, hands free no less. It's like free chiropracticery.

 

[TallBill]

No, I don't have high blood pressure.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Repost

and wrong forum.

Double whammy

repost? where?

I posted this thread about 6-12 months ago. I'll try to find it.

 

[So]

Less silly than people who think chiropractors can cure real diseases, but still really unlikely. It merits follow - up, I suppose.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

that's true, but you're kinda making a big deal out of something that happens so infrequently.

are there quacks out there? absolutely... without a doubt. but what makes them quacks isn't that they don't know how to adjust... it's that they don't know how to properly diagnose, they don't look for red flags or contraindications to adjusting certain areas, or they don't refer out when necessary... and/or they try and bullshit you into visiting the office more frequently than is necessary. it doesn't have as much to do with improperly adjusting segments.

as far as serious injuries from neck adjustments, the statistics show 1:1,000,000 patients who get a neck adjustment will have a stroke, but those who do tend to have a family history of stroke or a risk of having blood clots.

are there chiropractors out there who are horrible at adjusting and could potentially do damage, but they're very few and far between. why? because people won't go to them if they sucked... either that or they sucked so much that they got taken to court and now they can't afford to be in practice or they had their licenses taken.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Maybe because they're quacks and the American Medical Association wants nothing to do with them?

 

[StevenYoo]

pretty promising journal article (I looked it up on PubMed).

I'd like to see a bigger sample size later on.

The fact that this technique (NUCCA) requires a lot of special training makes it risky, since neck manipulations have that small risk of causing a stroke.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: torpid
Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

I crack my own neck, hands free no less. It's like free chiropracticery.

the word you're looking for is "chiropractic".

also, no, it's not. there's a big difference between popping your neck and adjusting your neck. you can pop your own neck, but you can't adjust your own neck.

it's kinda like stacking up jenga blocks on a movable board. you notice that part of the tower is not lined up right, so you want to adjust it. well, you can't really adjust it quite right by shaking the foundation and hoping the tower will correct itself. you have to find the specific area in the tower and put the blocks where they're supposed to be carefully with the proper amount of force.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: So
Less silly than people who think chiropractors can cure real diseases, but still really unlikely. It merits follow - up, I suppose.

no, it's not unlikely.

and high blood pressure is a real disease with a real icd-9 code.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Maybe because they're quacks and the American Medical Association wants nothing to do with them?

that's not really true.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Maybe because they're quacks and the American Medical Association wants nothing to do with them?

that's not really true.

There's no such thing as an AMA-certified Chiropractor, right?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: StevenYoo
pretty promising journal article (I looked it up on PubMed).

I'd like to see a bigger sample size later on.

The fact that this technique (NUCCA) requires a lot of special training makes it risky, since neck manipulations have that small risk of causing a stroke.

there are other adjustment techniques that offer the same result, it's just that with the other techniques, studies by medical researchers just haven't been done yet. logan basic technique offers the same response, but the adjustment is placed on the sacrotuberous ligament and sacrum as opposed to c1. the relationship is that both of those areas house the parasympathetics, which would help to bring down blood pressure.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: So
Less silly than people who think chiropractors can cure real diseases, but still really unlikely. It merits follow - up, I suppose.

no, it's not unlikely.

and high blood pressure is a real disease with a real icd-9 code.

So is alcoholism, but that's beside the point. Explain the mechanism by which adjusting the spine could change blood pressure, and I'd like to see some actual statistics. Nevertheless, it's not totally implausible -- but -- again, this doesn't make chiropractic medicine any less quackery, because there is still no science behind the "theory" of chiropractic medicine.

 

[Iron Woode]

here we go again.

the fact is chiropractic is 1 or 2 steps above voodoo. Pure quackery with the placebo effect.

and don't try arguing with me or trying to convince me I'm wrong with quotes of testimonials or other (mis)information because it won't change my opinion.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Maybe because they're quacks and the American Medical Association wants nothing to do with them?

that's not really true.

There's no such thing as an AMA-certified Chiropractor, right?

um, no. there are plenty of medical doctors who go and get their dc and vice versa. also, if you go back and re-check your history, you'll find that when the ama was trying to eliminate alternative models of healthcare (osteopathy, chiropractic, acupuncture, etc.), the only profession that didn't cave into their demands and fall under the ama's umbrella was the chiropractic profession. so, for about a good 60 or so years, they tried spreading propaganda in order to eliminate chiropractic and they enforced their propaganda through teachings in med schools during those times.

now, things have changed. more and more medical doctors are referring patients to chiropractors for a better way of treating ailments. here's just one example... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2FV916gylk

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: So
Less silly than people who think chiropractors can cure real diseases, but still really unlikely. It merits follow - up, I suppose.

no, it's not unlikely.

and high blood pressure is a real disease with a real icd-9 code.

So is alcoholism, but that's beside the point. Explain the mechanism by which adjusting the spine could change blood pressure, and I'd like to see some actual statistics. Nevertheless, it's not totally implausible -- but -- again, this doesn't make chiropractic medicine any less quackery, because there is still no science behind the "theory" of chiropractic medicine.

where's the vagus ganglion?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
here we go again.

the fact is chiropractic is 1 or 2 steps above voodoo. Pure quackery with the placebo effect.

and don't try arguing with me or trying to convince me I'm wrong with quotes of testimonials or other (mis)information because it won't change my opinion.

don't worry, i won't. i will tell you that the placebo effect wears off after about 15 days and doesn't tend to return.

and don't call your illogical rantings "facts". you make yourself look like a moron.

 

[TridenT]

Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage.