Hawaii ends Universal Child Care

Specop 007

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This is exactly what happens when the government tries to pay for people to live and retire. The only question that remains once that burden is taken on by the government is how long the government has until it collapses under the cost of the programs.

Why people seem to think Universal Healthcare would end up any different is beyond me.

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Hawaii ending universal child health care

By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Writer Mark Niesse, Associated Press Writer ? Fri Oct 17, 3:29 am ET

HONOLULU ? Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.

Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

State officials said Thursday they will stop giving health coverage to the 2,000 children enrolled by Nov. 1, but private partner Hawaii Medical Service Association will pay to extend their coverage through the end of the year without government support.

"We're very disappointed in the state's decision, and it came as a complete surprise to us," said Jennifer Diesman, a spokeswoman for HMSA, the state's largest health care provider. "We believe the program is working, and given Hawaii's economic uncertainty, we don't think now is the time to cut all funding for this kind of program."

Hawaii lawmakers approved the health plan in 2007 as a way to ensure every child can get basic medical help. The Keiki (child) Care program aimed to cover every child from birth to 18 years old who didn't already have health insurance ? mostly immigrants and members of lower-income families.

It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child ? an amount that was more than matched by HMSA.

State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn't need it.

The Republican governor signed Keiki Care into law in 2007, but it and many other government services are facing cuts as the state deals with a projected $900 million general fund shortfall by 2011.

While it's difficult to determine how many children lack health coverage in the islands, estimates range from 3,500 to 16,000 in a state of about 1.3 million people. All were eligible for the program.

"Children are a lot more vulnerable in terms of needing care," said Democratic Sen. Suzanne Chun Oakland. "It's not very good to try to be a leader and then renege on that commitment."

The universal health care system was free except for copays of $7 per office visit.

Families with children currently enrolled in the universal system are being encouraged to seek more comprehensive Medicaid coverage, which may be available to children in a family of four earning up to $73,000 annually.

These children also could sign up for the HMSA Children's Plan, which costs about $55 a month.

"Most of them won't be eligible for Medicaid, and that's why they were enrolled in Keiki Care," Diesman said. "It's the gap group that we're trying to ensure has coverage."
 

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"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."
well what did they think was going to happen?
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."
well what did they think was going to happen?
Exactly!!!

How long until Mass gives up on its program??
 

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Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.
 

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Universal Child Care works for some countries -- but never will in USA for many reason.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.


Or just stop spending money we dont have, period.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.

We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here!
 

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.


Or just stop spending money we dont have, period.
Like the $5 trillion Bush added to our national debt over the last 8 years?

That's why America is sending the GOP home early on election night.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.


Or just stop spending money we dont have, period.
Like the $5 trillion Bush added to our national debt over the last 8 years?

That's why America is sending the GOP home early on election night.


No, they are sending them home early because they lost 20% of thier 401k in the last 3 months, and they are sick of the Iraq war. Most people wouldnt be able to tell you what the National Debt even means.

 

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Which is why we need UNIVERSAL health care.
Gotta love it when the party of 'moral majority' gloats over dead babies.
 

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What makes you think their budget is collapsing under the cost of this program? It costs the state 50k/mo or 600k/yr. They are facing a M$900 shortfall. This program represents less than 1/900th of their problem. When funding is cut for schools, roads, police, prisons, etc, are you going to declare those systems failures too?

It looks to me as if the state was able to negotiate a cheaper group rate from the HMSA than the parents of these children could get individually. If anything, the state should've given the parents the option of paying the state the 25.50/mo in order to save money as opposed to getting their insurance individually. Instead, either the parents are going to have to pay higher rates thereby reducing the money they have for other expenditures or they will let their children go uninsured in which case visits to the doctor will be emergency room only and be much more expensive than preventative care. When those parents can't pay the medical bills, who will? Yep, other Hawaiians through increased premiums. Seems to me that 25.50/mo per child was a bargain subsidized by a private company. Now, in aggregate, Hawaiians will be paying much more.
 

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
No, they are sending them home early because they lost 20% of thier 401k in the last 3 months, and they are sick of the Iraq war.
That's two more good reasons.

The end result is the same.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Which is why we need UNIVERSAL health care.
Gotta love it when the party of 'moral majority' gloats over dead babies.

I thought dead babies were a constitutional right . . .
 

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: techs
Which is why we need UNIVERSAL health care.
Gotta love it when the party of 'moral majority' gloats over dead babies.

I thought dead babies was a constitutional right . . .

Surprisingly unborn babies have more constitutional rights in the Republicans minds than, although temporarily, living, breathing ones.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.

Hawaii is spending how much in Iraq? Where did you get this information?
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.

That's non-sense. I can't believe you're giving up on freedom and letting the terrorists win.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."
well what did they think was going to happen?

Rofl! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Solution: stop spending $10 billion/month in Iraq so we can help our children here at home.

That's non-sense. I can't believe you're giving up on freedom and letting the terrorists win.

How many jobs are created by the Iraq war?
 

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I know American politics is a completely different world to that in which I live, and there are many things I don't understand about it, but how could anyone be against healthcare for children? It just seems a completely barbaric and horrible thing to say for anyone in this corner of the planet. Even if you believe poor people should simply be allowed to die if they get ill, which I don't agree with but can accept as a valid opinion, why should the same apply to their children? It's not their fault who their parents are...
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Which is why we need UNIVERSAL health care.
Gotta love it when the party of 'moral majority' gloats over dead babies.

Right. If you cant afford to insure a small group of people might as well just insure them all??

I'm not seeing the logic here.....
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: techs
Which is why we need UNIVERSAL health care.
Gotta love it when the party of 'moral majority' gloats over dead babies.

Right. If you cant afford to insure a small group of people might as well just insure them all??

I'm not seeing the logic here.....

Well obviously you have to pay for it with taxes. Works fine elsewhere.
 

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Originally posted by: Atheus
I know American politics is a completely different world to that in which I live, and there are many things I don't understand about it, but how could anyone be against healthcare for children? It just seems a completely barbaric and horrible thing to say for anyone in this corner of the planet. Even if you believe poor people should simply be allowed to die if they get ill, which I don't agree with but can accept as a valid opinion, why should the same apply to their children? It's not their fault who their parents are...

Nobody's against healthcare for children. People are against healthcare for adults masquerading under the guise of healthcare for children.
 

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Originally posted by: Atheus
I know American politics is a completely different world to that in which I live, and there are many things I don't understand about it, but how could anyone be against healthcare for children? It just seems a completely barbaric and horrible thing to say for anyone in this corner of the planet. Even if you believe poor people should simply be allowed to die if they get ill, which I don't agree with but can accept as a valid opinion, why should the same apply to their children? It's not their fault who their parents are...

i'm not against MEDICAL care for children, i'm against morons who think it isn't going to cost very much and expect people who are currently purchasing it themselves to not get it for 'free' from the state.


Originally posted by: Atheus

Well obviously you have to pay for it with taxes. Works fine elsewhere.

the article explains that hawaii can't afford to pay for it with taxes.
 
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