Hawken, holy gpu physx!

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Lonbjerg

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I can understand some don't like the performance hit!

I can understand some don't like the feature!

I can understand some don't like proprietary!

It's easy -- don't use the feature -- buy AMD if proprietary bothers someone so much!

That is not the problem...some people would deny us those effects...either because AMD GPU's don't run CUDA....or because they.....well I can't think oof any other reason to stop Progress actually.

To those people that don't want the effects:
Turn them off in settings....problem solved!

But don't go around advocating that I shouldn't get the effects...that is just stupid.
 

Final8ty

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That is not the problem...some people would deny us those effects...either because AMD GPU's don't run CUDA....or because they.....well I can't think oof any other reason to stop Progress actually.

To those people that don't want the effects:
Turn them off in settings....problem solved!

But don't go around advocating that I shouldn't get the effects...that is just stupid.

More of making things up, no one said that people would not have options to effects if they like them, that's not the conversation, the conversation was which implementation is better.
 
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SirPauly

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I've offered that countless times! One can disable PhysX in the control panel if one doesn't like it! The part I don't understand is why someone would spend time about a feature not worthy of using!
 

Bobisuruncle54

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Artistic options, everyone has their own.

"Beams" this isn't mechwarrior...

There is difference between designing something to fit an aesthetic and adding effects on top for nothing but superfluous reasons, which perfectly describes the inclusion of PhysX in Hawken.

It is disappointing that PhysX remain a niche part of PC gaming because its implementation has never been taken seriously.
 

Final8ty

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I've offered that countless times! One can disable PhysX in the control panel if one doesn't like it! The part I don't understand is why someone would spend time about a feature not worthy of using!

Again it seems you have gone off track, its was not about whether it can be turned off or not, it was about you telling me that's its better because its dynamic and interactive as if that's at that counts no matter how bad it looks to others.
Its dynamic and interactive so we should of damn well love it.
 
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NTMBK

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It is disappointing that PhysX remain a niche part of PC gaming because its implementation has never been taken seriously.

And NVidia have entirely done it to themselves. Limiting a feature to a limited subset of PC users is going to force it to be a niche.
 

SirPauly

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Again it seems you have gone off track, its was not about whether it can be turned off or not, it was about you telling me that's its better because its dynamic and interactive as if that's at that counts no matter how bad it looks to others.

You're entitled to your opinion -- don't agree with it!
 

Final8ty

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There is difference between designing something to fit an aesthetic and adding effects on top for nothing but superfluous reasons, which perfectly describes the inclusion of PhysX in Hawken.

It is disappointing that PhysX remain a niche part of PC gaming because its implementation has never been taken seriously.

Its clear that its implementation is enough for some people.
 

SirPauly

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And NVidia have entirely done it to themselves.

Imho,

The resources spent may innovate and create awareness or it may fail! The part that I respect is they placed resources where their mouth is and trying!
 

Lonbjerg

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oh...btw,

http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-capable-of-handling-the-physx-effects/

not bad when the cpu uses half the power, and using the old SDK2.8.4...and a software created to sell gpus :sneaky:


Lets not leve the conclusion out:

To summarize: If you are playing Borderlands 2 in Single Player mode, carefully avoiding fluid emitting weapons/enemies and staying away from certain areas of the game – you may find a CPU execution of PhysX effects sufficient. But if want really comfortable gameplay, without any compromises – presence of NVIDIA GPU is still a mandatory.
 

BallaTheFeared

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There is difference between designing something to fit an aesthetic and adding effects on top for nothing but superfluous reasons, which perfectly describes the inclusion of PhysX in Hawken.

It is disappointing that PhysX remain a niche part of PC gaming because its implementation has never been taken seriously.

While I have no issues with the effects "fitting in", that's an objective opinion which you and everyone else is entitled to.

It's disappointing it's not more common, it's disappointing AMD won't get in on it, it's disappointing that games can't be built from the ground up around it, but mostly it's disappointing people still use superfluous reasons outside Nvidia's control to fault it.
 

Final8ty

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You're entitled to your opinion -- don't agree with it!

You don't have too agree with it, the only problem i have is that you don't seems to understand that people have a different one to you in the first place and you go on pounding away as some how everyone who has a different opinion to you is wrong.

I don't see others liking what i dislike as wrong, but if i say that the effects looks crap then that should be the end of that, it being dynamic and blah blah blah should not even come into it. if some does not like a particular effect or implementation then that there own prerogative, pounding away at its tech specs in response changes nothing.

Its no different to Tressfx some people like it some people don't, the tech is irreverent to the people who don't like what they see on screen, talking about the tech in response wont make it look any better to them.
 
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SirPauly

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While I have no issues with the effects "fitting in", that's an objective opinion which you and everyone else is entitled to.

It's disappointing it's not more common, it's disappointing AMD won't get in on it, it's disappointing that games can't be built from the ground up around it, but mostly it's disappointing people still use superfluous reasons outside Nvidia's control to fault it.



To be fair -- ATI was very bullish about GPU Physics with HavokFX. The tragedy to me was Intel swooping in buying Havok leaving ATI and nVidia empty handed.
 

SirPauly

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I don't see others liking what i dislike as wrong, but if i say that the effects looks crap then that should be the end of that, it being dynamic and blah blah blah should not even come into it.

Of course it should because that is the entire point of advanced physics; to break the chains of the static past, imho!
 

BallaTheFeared

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To be fair -- ATI was very bullish about GPU Physics with HavokFX. The tragedy to me was Intel swooping in buying Havok leaving ATI and nVidia empty handed.

Things may change, as was stated before Havok was demoed running on the PS4 GPU, hopefully that translates to PC's as well soon.

Maybe Intel was waiting for a better gpu of their own
 

Final8ty

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Of course it should because that is the entire point of advanced physics, imho!

No it should not, and it seems that you have a problem with separating the technology from the implementations.

I'm all for advanced physics, that does not mean that everyone should be all for every implementation no matter the result just because it used advanced physics to do it, that just blind loyalty to the tech.
 

NIGELG

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If it was THAT good it would be in a LOT more games and would have a lot more support from BOTH Nvidia and AMD.

My opinion is that it is resource hungry,unrealistic and tacky looking.
 

Final8ty

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If it was THAT good it would be in a LOT more games and would have a lot more support from BOTH Nvidia and AMD.

My opinion is that it is resource hungry,unrealistic and tacky looking.

But its dynamic resource hungry,unrealistic and tacky looking., that's a good thing, give us MOAR.
 

Olikan

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Lets not leve the conclusion out:
but you did let mine conclusion out... it's not really fair, yet the cpu does a heck of a good job...

i would really love to see the same benchmarks done with a 95W GPU...remember a 650ti uses 110W
 
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