HD 3870 Benchmarks here

[Cabages]

Kinda what ive been waiting for. Hopefully it overclocks like a monster.

They were doing a paper launch right?

 

[JPB]

Not sure about hard or paper launch. But I have read that it is suppose to be a hard launch. And if so...hopefully its not hard to get.

I was leaning towards the 8800GT...but what turned me off of it was problems here on Anand about BSOD, crashing in games and hot temps. So I think I will go for the 3870. Actually two of them...one for me and one for the wife.

Its great to have a wife that loves gaming

 

[taltamir]

they don't specify their test system...

 

[Rebel44]

I got this info from friend who already has 3870 for review but its not official...

NDA will be lifted 15 November and cards will be released 19 or 20 November with +- 200 000 cards available during release.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Was this done in DX10? I just ran DX9 1280x1024 with all very high (same settings as them, with the exception of possible DX9/10), at 650/950 stock and got 25fps in the time demo.

 

[Mech0z]

Hope I will be able to pick up a Phenom, a 790fx or 790x and a 3870 the 19 or 20.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
Was this done in DX10? I just ran DX9 1280x1024 with all very high (same settings as them, with the exception of possible DX9/10), at 650/950 stock and got 25fps in the time demo.

Yup, the benchmarks were in DX10 mode, which is why the performance on both cards sucks so bad.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: swtethan
Scores for the 8800GT 3dm06 @ default look pretty low, my rig does 14,500 in vista64 yet having a 500MHz disadvantage vs authors 4GHz quad

But your o/c'd to 780.

I know this at 700MHz im still at 14,000. he has a 500MHz advantage still!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Rebel44
I got this info from friend who already has 3870 for review but its not official...

NDA will be lifted 15 November and cards will be released 19 or 20 November with +- 200 000 cards available during release.

that tells us what we need to know about its performance. If it was faster it would release at a higher price. hopefully it will be close...with good overclocking... $400 for 3870 xfire would be a lot better than $315 for 8800gt ssc imho.

 

[Demoth]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
[that tells us what we need to know about its performance. If it was faster it would release at a higher price. hopefully it will be close...with good overclocking... $400 for 3870 xfire would be a lot better than $315 for 8800gt ssc imho.

Lol, nope. It's not over until the fat benchmarker sings...

If ATI/AMD is going for a solid win, a lower price on a faster card would once again win back the fan boys. Keep in mind the 55nm process and half the memory bus makes these cards much cheaper to produce then the 2900XT/Pros. Let's wait out the week at least and see some real benchmarks before declaring an initial winner and then waiting out ATIs notoriously slow driver releases to finally determine the overall performance king.

Whatever happens, there is finally going to be some real competition in the mid-range and this bodes well for future high end releases which will soon after become the next mid-range

 

[Mech0z]

Hope it sells for maximum the same price as the current gts price. Then thats my card if 790fx and phenom is not pure garbage.

Btw could this "NDA will be lifted 15 November " mean that phenom NDA is the same? They are to be released on the same day so wouldnt seem that strange.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Rebel44
I got this info from friend who already has 3870 for review but its not official...

NDA will be lifted 15 November and cards will be released 19 or 20 November with +- 200 000 cards available during release.

that tells us what we need to know about its performance. If it was faster it would release at a higher price. hopefully it will be close...with good overclocking... $400 for 3870 xfire would be a lot better than $315 for 8800gt ssc imho.

Link, if it is one, not working for me. Maybe Amd is selling them cheap, because they have lots to sell.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Rebel44
I got this info from friend who already has 3870 for review but its not official...

NDA will be lifted 15 November and cards will be released 19 or 20 November with +- 200 000 cards available during release.

that tells us what we need to know about its performance. If it was faster it would release at a higher price. hopefully it will be close...with good overclocking... $400 for 3870 xfire would be a lot better than $315 for 8800gt ssc imho.

Link, if it is one, not working for me. Maybe Amd is selling them cheap, because they have lots to sell.

cause they dont need more money cause theyre whoping intel right?

 

[KevinH]

Any word on the power requirements to these?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Rebel44
I got this info from friend who already has 3870 for review but its not official...

NDA will be lifted 15 November and cards will be released 19 or 20 November with +- 200 000 cards available during release.

that tells us what we need to know about its performance. If it was faster it would release at a higher price. hopefully it will be close...with good overclocking... $400 for 3870 xfire would be a lot better than $315 for 8800gt ssc imho.

Link, if it is one, not working for me. Maybe Amd is selling them cheap, because they have lots to sell.

cause they dont need more money cause theyre whoping intel right?

Isn't a football game last I looked. Just speculating on supply and demand.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: KevinH
Any word on the power requirements to these?

around 100 watts for the 3870

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Rebel44
I got this info from friend who already has 3870 for review but its not official...

NDA will be lifted 15 November and cards will be released 19 or 20 November with +- 200 000 cards available during release.

So ati says it is supposed to cost 200$?
Well according to nvidia the GT was supposed to be 200$... less for the 256MB version...

Someone posted a link that allows preordering this for 260$ for the 512MB version and 210$ for the 256MB version...

260$ for 512MB is the same as a GT costs right now, and this is outperformed by 10% by a GT...

Eventually both this and the GT are supposed to be 200$, so what really determines the final price is the merchant mark up. Which is gonna be matched by the performance and how much people will pay.

 

[Demoth]

ATI/AMD's bottom line is not ruled by Intel/Nvidia's market share. AMD has revenue coming from several sources- servers, Xbox, super computers, desktops, etc. Their bottom line is ruled by staying profitable at whatever niche they can carve out. They realize this business is cyclical in nature and their time will come again if they can get high end products to market.

Not too long ago, it was the A64 as king of the roost and the 9700 Pro was top dog. AMD has a dog with Phenom compared to what Intel has out now but this round of GPUs seems pretty promising. They desperately need to generate some demand for their products that will not only generate more sales from individuals, but also force more OEMs to offer AMD alternatives. Companies like Dell who like to use cheap PSUs may well be steered to these cards just by virtue of their low power draw and heat, letting them build high end systems with their crap PSUs and cooling.

The main points of interest to me is the power of these cards compared to the very low temps and less then half in power draw. I was hoping we'd see more of a focus on efficiency rather then just pure horsepower. Pretty soon (as in now), DX10 will force both companies to really get the performance of their next generations increased greatly. Working on keeping power and heat reasonable is always a good thing.

 

[taltamir]

lower wattage isn't necessarily better power performance... You need to calculate watts per FRAME. Not just watts per second.

And no, I haven't seen the lower wattage numbers... where are they? I mean, so far the card is still under an NDA... so really we should wait till the 15th.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Iax-tech says the difference in Crysis is only 2 fps, however what they fail to mention that this is a difference between 12 and 14 fps, or about 15%. Bumping clocks from 777/1126 to 825/1200 as well as using less stressful in-game test that does not push cards to the limit might close the gap, but I don't think 3870 will ever completely overtake 8800GT. Further overclocking of ATI cards might help too, but we don't know how well they overclock, while we do know that majority or 8800GT cards can do 700MHz on the core. Previously I was of the opinion that ATI new cards will perform around the same as 8800GT, right now it appears they will be a little slower. It's probably not as bad as long as they are cheaper than $270 8800GT's.

What will be difference when AA is enabled is the question. Those earliear test indicated that HD2900XT could outperform HD3870 when AA enabled, but is that in those two games they happened to test or real deal?

HD3870 has the advantage in their cooler. Though Palit launched their new non-reference 8800 GT's with three phase power supply (instead of two phace on reference model) and with 2-slot Zalman-cooler. If everything goes as before these Palit's non-reference models are better and cheaper than reference models.

They are atleast claiming that their 8800GT will have smaller powerconsumption, will be more quiet and will be cooler than reference 8800GT. There will be similar model from Gainward(Which ain't suprise since Gainward is one of Palit's brands)

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: KevinH
Any word on the power requirements to these?

132w for 3870, something like 104 I think for 3850.

@rusin: that palit brand might be interesting if 3870 disappoints.

 

[Elias824]

keep in mind that the benchmark was done with the catalyst ver 7.10 drivers, so there may be some slight improvement to the performance still with newer drivers. I belive the 3870 is supposed to only need 105w max, and from what ive seen its supposed to idle at about 40c so it may oc well enough to make up that gap as well. I am going to be buying a new card soon and im leaning toward ati now because of the price, better cooler, and nvidia having problems still on vista, not to mention the shortage of the 8800gt's

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Elias824
keep in mind that the benchmark was done with the catalyst ver 7.10 drivers, so there may be some slight improvement to the performance still with newer drivers. I belive the 3870 is supposed to only need 105w max, and from what ive seen its supposed to idle at about 40c so it may oc well enough to make up that gap as well. I am going to be buying a new card soon and im leaning toward ati now because of the price, better cooler, and nvidia having problems still on vista, not to mention the shortage of the 8800gt's

Theres nowhere in the UK that seem to have stock of the 8800GT, ATI could walk all over Nvidia if they have plenty of supply and undercut the GT. In the UK the 8800GT is around £175 average. although before they were released offically the price was between £135-£145, But thats retailers cashing in.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Elias824
keep in mind that the benchmark was done with the catalyst ver 7.10 drivers, so there may be some slight improvement to the performance still with newer drivers. I belive the 3870 is supposed to only need 105w max, and from what ive seen its supposed to idle at about 40c so it may oc well enough to make up that gap as well. I am going to be buying a new card soon and im leaning toward ati now because of the price, better cooler, and nvidia having problems still on vista, not to mention the shortage of the 8800gt's

What problems should I be having in Vista 64?

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: KevinH
Any word on the power requirements to these?

132w for 3870, something like 104 I think for 3850.

@rusin: that palit brand might be interesting if 3870 disappoints.

hmm 132W is pretty much.. I mean clockfrequency difference between these HD3870 and HD3850 is like 16% but difference between 132w and 104w is 27%

http://images.dailytech.com/ni...570_large_perfokll.jpg
According to this HD3870's TDP is 105W and 3850's 95W.. There's that 10W difference.

There are also Sparkle's passive solution coming. It would be intresting to know how well will that cooler work? It's heat sink is actually behind that card (there is smaller plate in front and then heatpipes go to that massive heat sink.. looks like Thermalright HR-03's little brother which have that metal plate added. It would surely be nice design if you could add fan there if you want to.
http://resources.vr-zone.com//.../Oct07/30/SP8800GT.JPG



Then there is this Gainward-brand passive cooler:
http://www.overclockers.ru/ima...2007/11/05/gain_04.jpg
http://www.overclockers.ru/ima...2007/11/05/gain_02.jpg