HD4870 1GB - worth it?

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cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: SickBeast

I don't have anything against Apoppin, we just disagree on this issue.
So you're not denying that Wreckage is indeed your brother?

Don't you think we're heading a bit far off topic?

Presumably people came to this thread to read about 4870 is worth it, and IMO it's the second place choice at this time.[/quote]

Behind the GTX280
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: SickBeast

So you're not denying that Wreckage is indeed your brother?

So you complain about nV bias and then go on to troll, troll, troll. :roll:

You sir are a hypocrite.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: apoppin



WHO?

Derek Wilson likes the monthly releases; so do most reviewers i have asked. It is far better to know that a driver is to be expected every month and it is easy to set up your reviews based around a schedule. Nvidia LOOKS sloppy in comparison to AMD - it is an issue of perception; and i think Nvidia falls short with their "whenever we feel like it" betas. However, their CEO apparently likes it that way; Nvidia feels that AMD "wastes" nearly a month getting it to MS and back for certification, while Nvidia just releases it as a beta .. so it is that way. Frankly, ,i'd like AMD to do more Betas [like Nvidia] and Nvidia to commit themselves to regular drivers [like AMD] - but i'd like world peace also.
i think Nvidia is recently more out of touch with gamers as they ais for the pro market and wider GPU computational acceptance in the mass market. So i expect it to get not better for us; i hope i am wrong.

Apoppin- Derek said straight out ATi needs to dump the monthly driver release program.

So the trade off for going forward with best-case scenario numbers is this page explaining the problems and a plea to AMD to change their approach to driver development for the good of the consumer.

Maintaining a monthly driver release schedule is detrimental to AMD's ability to release quality drivers. This is not the first or only issue we've seen that could have been solved (or at least noticed) by expanded testing that isn't possible with such tight release deadlines.

Read the rest of the page- Derek asks AMD to dump monthly releases, says he finds more problems with AMD drivers, and says there's no excuse for what is going on with FC2.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3463&p=6

That is strange. Derek really changed his tune, didn't he?:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...242727&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: DerekWilson
you know, i'm actually not having a problem with the 1GB Radeon 4870 -- it's smooth. the 512MB does seem to stutter at parts, but it doesn't seem bad to me -- where are you guys noticing the most stutter? is it with fire, gun fights, driving, walking, what locations, or is it just general?

since the X2 uses 2x 1GB, that might be a reason we are seeing better performance there -- if it's a 512MB issue.
As i recall i pointed out the FC2 issues to him!

Just before this - in the locked thread DerekWilson defended AMD:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2241129
Context is key. This is a beta hotfix that has not been fully QA'd. NVIDIA also had to release an updated driver for FarCry 2 that doesn't include all the features built into the driver. Both NVIDIA and AMD want us to use beta drives for Far Cry 2. Talking about this issue is useful, but remember that it is just an issue with a beta driver at this point.

i guess he changed his mind. He did also mention in the thread that the regular driver releases of AMD were a matter of perception - neither better worse than Nvidia's.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2233208

Originally posted by: DerekWilson
I've been thinking about doing a blog post on the issue of drivers and release schedules -- would that interest you guys?

I think a lot of people miss a few things --

There are only so much time and resource availability that any company has to do QA on drivers. No one can do everything, and neither NVIDIA nor AMD do.

I think they both have issues and neither one is really overall "better" than the other (though I do think AMD has the appearance of being better due to their schedule).

...

Here's the thing --

In order to get the gamer what he or she wants, a company would need to test all of their hardware to make sure things simply work and regression test all games from the past couple years with that hardware. This is never going to happen.

Both AMD and NVIDIA cut major corners.

AMD has multiple driver trunks, and a rotating schedule of only about 2 dozen titles for regression testing that do not repeat within something like 6 months to a year. If one driver breaks something, it will be at least two months until it gets "fixed" for real (as the next month might not exhibit the same problem, but it also won't necessarily be based on the same code). If one game is dropped from the regression testing schedule, it could break in one driver and not be caught for a very long time (or until reviewers start to complain about it).

We run into the problem a lot, especially with crossfire scaling, of things that used to work not working and then when we point it out, all of a sudden we've got a beta driver with a fix. It's just because AMD dropped that title from their regression testing. Over time they hit a lot of titles, but this is an optimization that does cause issues.

Because you can't have monthly WHQL drivers with the latest features on the latest hardware all regression tested on everything everyone could want to play. There isn't enough time there to do all the necessary QA. All the driver has to do is pass Microsoft's WHQL testing ... which is easier than actually working in all relevant games.

NVIDIA does something else --

They don't always test all their hardware every cycle. We'll see beta drivers tested completely first on high end hardware or newly released hardware. Older stuff is left out of testing, so we have divergent driver versions necessary for different classes of hardware. Since NVIDIA uses a unified model (at the moment), all drivers should work on all hardware, but if it hasn't been released to support a specific card then that means it hasn't been QA'd on that card.

NVIDIA regression tests with many more titles per WHQL release, but at the same time, there is much more time between WHQL releases. This gives them a longer period to look at more things, but at the same time stuff can stay broken for longer.

If all this stuff is really interesting, I could take some time and talk to AMD and NVIDIA again (we've had this discussion with them before) and I could do a write up about it explaining the pros and cons of both approaches.

Frankly, from my perspective, monthly WHQL is just a marketing tool ... it makes people feel better. But NVIDIA's approach isn't necessarily better -- it's just different.

i certainly don't keep up with changing opinion; ;all i can imagine is that Derek was bitterly disappointed with the 3rd driver release - Cat 8-11 that did nothing for FC2 .. but see, i am not expecting any real improvement until Cat 8-12 as 8-10 hotfix was just 8-11 betas before they became certified. And i cap my frame rate which works for me

and i also had issues with 4870/1GB which he apparently did not see nor experience; My x2 scaled, his didn't





 
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