HD58xx already out

[Janooo]

AMD demos DX11 hardware at QuakeCon 2009
We should see some leaked benches any day now.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Where is NV next gen? How long till we get to see one?

Who cares? Anyone sitting on a current gen card would be silly to jump on 5XXX unless:


A. They are hardware enthusiats and want to play around with new hardware

or

B. 5XXX is so great, there is no point in waiting to see anything else.

If you know the answer so why did you ask the question?

 

[Ben90]

lol those guys are whining about temperature:

89F? Try 92F and 50+% humidity daily. The low today is 74F AT NIGHT! A Core i7 would catch fire down here LOL.

ive seen it 116*F down here

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Janooo
If you know the answer so why did you ask the question?

The answer to your question.

Originally posted by: Ben90
ive seen it 116*F down here

Go visit Bullhead City, Arizona/Laughlin, Nevada at this time of year. A 125°F high with a 110°F overnight low is considered warm there, but not outrageously so. They compare their temps daily with Death Valley, and about 50% of the days, Death Valley is cooler. :shocked:

 

[MarcVenice]

Originally posted by: MODEL3
Is the usual practice for ATI (or for an ATI partner) to sent review samples 1 month before the release date?

Just asking!

Not that I know of, because I don't have one yet Earlier AMD releases I got the cards maybe a week, two weeks before launch. Then again, this is Anandtech, the website I work for isn't quite in the same league.

I don't care though, I'm off to vacation for 2 weeks and when I come back the rumoured 10th of september will be pretty close. And who knows, maybe the European launch will take place before the North American launch Something like 8-9 september ?

 

[Janooo]

This information is very interesting:

...
However, we did learn at that AMD has a card with performance better than Radeon HD 4850 but consuming less than 75W. We would expect this to be a flavor of Redwood, RV830. Evidently, AMD has mastered the 40nm process and managed to reduce power consumption while maintaining good performance.

 

[CrystalBay]

Who is wOmbat ?

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Where is NV next gen? How long till we get to see one?

Who cares? Anyone sitting on a current gen card would be silly to jump on 5XXX unless:


A. They are hardware enthusiasts and want to play around with new hardware

or

B. 5XXX is so great, there is no point in waiting to see anything else.

Remember when 5900 Ultra came out after Radeon 9800Pro and it was still slower?

Also, I am confident that NV's chip will be faster if they are sticking with a large die philosophy for this generation again. However, if they price it at $500 and ATI card gives you 80% of the performance at $299, like last time 4870 vs. gtx280, then waiting for NV for say another 3-4 months seems like a waste.

At the end of the day something faster and cheaper will always come out within 3-6 months, etc. So the best time to upgrade the gpu would be when the games you play run too slow for your comfort. With CPUs it is a bit different since now a CPU can last 2-3 years with ease and through 2-3 videocard generations.

 

[damage424]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Who is wOmbat ?

I'm not exactly sure if that the same wombat I'm thinking about..... If it is the same wombat, wombat was one of the best fps gamers years ago. He owned at counter-strike 1.6 and I remember him leaving cs 1.6 to play one of the quake games and played at a high level like he did at cs 1.6. I have no idea what wombat is up to these days or if he still games or not.... i was one of his many fans

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Where is NV next gen? How long till we get to see one?

Who cares? Anyone sitting on a current gen card would be silly to jump on 5XXX unless:


A. They are hardware enthusiasts and want to play around with new hardware

or

B. 5XXX is so great, there is no point in waiting to see anything else.

Pretty sure it's going to be the latter; they don't want to chance it. Get ahead now and they'd gain some nice mindshare.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: damage424

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Who is wOmbat ?

I'm not exactly sure if that the same wombat I'm thinking about..... If it is the same wombat, wombat was one of the best fps gamers years ago. He owned at counter-strike 1.6 and I remember him leaving cs 1.6 to play one of the quake games and played at a high level like he did at cs 1.6. I have no idea what wombat is up to these days or if he still games or not.... i was one of his many fans

Huh.
I saw him in UT3 a few times on iCTF.
He stomped me. I thought he was a bot.
This explains everything.

 

[damage424]

Nope..... w0mbat is definitely a fps legend in my eyes. But again, I don't know if that's the same w0mbat... would be pretty cool though

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: OCguy
Why would anyone with a current generation card jump on the next gen without seeing the price to performance ratio of both companies?

What price - performance ratio are you talking about?
New AMD cards with old NV cards?

Next gen V next gen.


Hell, even throw the last gen in there. Why not. AMD has great price/performance right now. Why wouldnt you compare?

I don't think there is any reason to wait when the 5800 launches, assuming it's a good performer. I doubt lots of people waited when the GeForce 8800's were launched. I would imagine the Radeon 58x0 launch could very well be similar, it'll be capable of the next DX version, like the 8800 and assuming the specs are in the ball park it should be easily the fastest single GPU around, much like the 8800 launch. Assuming it's not priced in the stratosphere I don't see much reason to wait if the performance is there.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: OCguy
Why would anyone with a current generation card jump on the next gen without seeing the price to performance ratio of both companies?

What price - performance ratio are you talking about?
New AMD cards with old NV cards?

Next gen V next gen.


Hell, even throw the last gen in there. Why not. AMD has great price/performance right now. Why wouldnt you compare?

I don't think there is any reason to wait when the 5800 launches, assuming it's a good performer. I doubt lots of people waited when the GeForce 8800's were launched. I would imagine the Radeon 58x0 launch could very well be similar, it'll be capable of the next DX version, like the 8800 and assuming the specs are in the ball park it should be easily the fastest single GPU around, much like the 8800 launch. Assuming it's not priced in the stratosphere I don't see much reason to wait if the performance is there.

I can see a lot of 5XXX on ebay at the end of the year if GT300 stomps the 5XXX and isnt priced for royalty only.

 

[Tempered81]

Not quite sure if this has any validity, but intersting none the less:
http://global.phoronix-test-su...root-13488-18327-24183

Check out the System Hardware section... and what they have listed under Graphics:

 

[toyota]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1040/1/

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: OCguy
Why would anyone with a current generation card jump on the next gen without seeing the price to performance ratio of both companies?

What price - performance ratio are you talking about?
New AMD cards with old NV cards?

Next gen V next gen.


Hell, even throw the last gen in there. Why not. AMD has great price/performance right now. Why wouldnt you compare?

I don't think there is any reason to wait when the 5800 launches, assuming it's a good performer. I doubt lots of people waited when the GeForce 8800's were launched. I would imagine the Radeon 58x0 launch could very well be similar, it'll be capable of the next DX version, like the 8800 and assuming the specs are in the ball park it should be easily the fastest single GPU around, much like the 8800 launch. Assuming it's not priced in the stratosphere I don't see much reason to wait if the performance is there.

I can see a lot of 5XXX on ebay at the end of the year if GT300 stomps the 5XXX and isnt priced for royalty only.

Yeah, pretty sure it's not going to stomp it.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: OCguy


I can see a lot of 5XXX on ebay at the end of the year if GT300 stomps the 5XXX and isnt priced for royalty only.

This is the way video cards have always been. Buy the latest and greatest and 3-6 months later you sell it off for the next latest and greatest. We saw that cycle slow a bit with the introduction of the 8800 series cards but looks to be picking up speed again.

The problem I see with waiting for Nvidia's card before buying is that rumors have it coming out Q1 2010. Depending on which part of the quarter the card actually arrives in, we could be looking at a 4-7 month wait. If the 5800 series offers decent performance over the current gen, I'd rather get the extra horsepower for 4-7 months and then see what Nvidia brings to the table.

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice

Originally posted by: MODEL3
Is the usual practice for ATI (or for an ATI partner) to sent review samples 1 month before the release date?

Just asking!

Not that I know of, because I don't have one yet Earlier AMD releases I got the cards maybe a week, two weeks before launch. Then again, this is Anandtech, the website I work for isn't quite in the same league.

I don't care though, I'm off to vacation for 2 weeks and when I come back the rumoured 10th of september will be pretty close. And who knows, maybe the European launch will take place before the North American launch Something like 8-9 september ?

Hi Marc!

In which website you work for?

Also, have a nice vacation! (to Italy?)

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: Janooo
This information is very interesting:

...
However, we did learn at that AMD has a card with performance better than Radeon HD 4850 but consuming less than 75W. We would expect this to be a flavor of Redwood, RV830. Evidently, AMD has mastered the 40nm process and managed to reduce power consumption while maintaining good performance.

Hey, I opened the link and i read nordichardware's info!

You might have heard rumors of some odd memory configurations going around and a source close to AMD has confirmed this. Numbers are pointing to something like 384-bit and GDDR5 with the high-end X2 part, 192-bit and GDDR5 with the performance part, and then scaled down to 96-bit and perhaps even 48-bit with lower-end parts.The numbers are still pending confirmation, but we are quite confident AMD will bring some odd memory configurations to the market with Evergreen

Well i don't have a technical background, and i guess nordichardware is a big (Nordic?) hardware site, so for the guys there, technology is their life!

But can some explain to me, how is it possible to have DDR memory interface like 48-bit with 64bit DDRAM?

Why they reporting (confidently) 96-bit & 48-bit memory interface?

Also if this is not possible, why they wait for a confirmation?
Can someone tell me if their site is sucessful (I will open one too!)

Just kidding!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: OCguy


I can see a lot of 5XXX on ebay at the end of the year if GT300 stomps the 5XXX and isnt priced for royalty only.

May not be out by the end of the year.

 

[Janooo]

Video at PC Perspective.

Interesting stuff, check it out.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: MODEL3

Originally posted by: Janooo
This information is very interesting:

...
However, we did learn at that AMD has a card with performance better than Radeon HD 4850 but consuming less than 75W. We would expect this to be a flavor of Redwood, RV830. Evidently, AMD has mastered the 40nm process and managed to reduce power consumption while maintaining good performance.

Hey, I opened the link and i read nordichardware's info!

You might have heard rumors of some odd memory configurations going around and a source close to AMD has confirmed this. Numbers are pointing to something like 384-bit and GDDR5 with the high-end X2 part, 192-bit and GDDR5 with the performance part, and then scaled down to 96-bit and perhaps even 48-bit with lower-end parts.The numbers are still pending confirmation, but we are quite confident AMD will bring some odd memory configurations to the market with Evergreen

Well i don't have a technical background, and i guess nordichardware is a big (Nordic?) hardware site, so for the guys there, technology is their life!

But can some explain to me, how is it possible to have DDR memory interface like 48-bit with 64bit DDRAM?

Why they reporting (confidently) 96-bit & 48-bit memory interface?

Also if this is not possible, why they wait for a confirmation?
Can someone tell me if their site is sucessful (I will open one too!)

Just kidding!

DDRAM doesn't come in set 64-bit buses. You can make it be whatever you want.

This is why you've seen the 8800GTS 320MB and 640MB. They come with a memory bus of 320 bits. Another example is the GTX260 and 275. They come with 894MB of memory with a 448 bit bus. The 8800GTX came with 768MB of memory a 384 bit bus. Are you beginning to see the correlation?

 

[imported_Shaq]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: OCguy


I can see a lot of 5XXX on ebay at the end of the year if GT300 stomps the 5XXX and isnt priced for royalty only.

May not be out by the end of the year.

A lot of sites are saying November at the latest. We'll see.

 

[Pelu]

lol... this sounds like a bunch of crap...