HD58xx already out

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Sekkai
What do you guys think about the upcoming GT cards?

Like the GT200 debut, I'm anxious to be impressed.

Speculation prior to release:

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39 on 03/05/2008

This makes me wonder if Nvidia will release the GT200 in September (6 months from 9800GX2), or if it will compensate for time issues and delay it until November.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2162350

Not too far from the the truth, but NV turned out to have a little bit of a timeline surprise:

NVIDIA's 1.4 Billion Transistor GPU: GT200 Arrives as the GeForce GTX 280 & 260

Date: June 16th, 2008

One-Point-Four-Billion. That's transistors folks.

The chip is codenamed GT200 and it's the successor to NVIDIA's G80 and G92 families. Why the change in naming? The GT stands for "Graphics Tesla" and this is the second generation Graphics Tesla architecture, the first being the G80. The GT200 is launching today in two flavors, the die of the larger one is pictured below:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334

this is a great example of why I think that nvidia will launch later than many people hope or expect. They made a huge push to one-up amd with the gt200/r(v)7xx launch, and they were far enough along that they were even able to have a decent amount of inventory at launch. Now, amd is launching in sept and we're not hearing anything at all. I strongly believe that keysplayr and other focus group members will be given info that they can pass on to us when updates occur, and right now they're not getting squat.

Whether you inside info, you're under nda, or whatever, do you really believe that nvidia wouldn't paper launch on amd's parade on sept 24th or thereabouts if they were able to do a hard launch two months later??? Hell, if I was jen hsun I'd use sticks, rubber bands, glue and duct tape to make 10 or 15 gt300's that sold out on newegg in 12 seconds on sept 24 if I knew that there would be plenty of supply in a month or two.

Or I could make yet another thread about PhysX benchmark performance. At least we know he's affiliated this time, but I still don't understand the allure of PhysX....

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: OCguysnip

It would be incredibly impressive and awesome if the GT300 manages to be that fast. It has been a VERY long time since a next gen card was well over two times as fast as the last gen. I think the 9700 Pro compared to the Ti4600 was the last time we had such an increase from one generation to the next.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: OCguy
If ATI just takes the 4870 and doubles shaders, nV may be looking a substantial lead performance wise even if they launch a couple months later.

What makes you say this? Specs are just specs, especially with something brand new. RV770 is more powerful (in theory) to the GT200 series but is not always faster in games. I'm guessing you've seen the rumoured specs for GT300 and are going by that but remember even the 2900xt looked like it could be a monstrous card and we know how that turned out. I'd love for GT300 to be much faster though as that means more competition down the line BUT nV will of course charge an arm and a leg like any company would.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Catalyst 9.10 (8.66), the first official driver for the Radeon HD5870 (Cypress XT) and Radeon HD5850 (Cypress Pro).

http://gathering.tweakers.net/.../view_message/32456017

Good news for those planning to get hd5850.

Good news, Vr-zone just posted this.... Looks like the 5850 is going to use a cypress core & gddr5.

[Rumour] AMD DX11 Cypress is Radeon HD 5870 & HD 5850

AMD has informed their partners that their upcoming DX11 Cypress cards will be known as Radeon HD 5800 series. Cypress XT is Radeon HD 5870 while Cypress PRO is Radeon HD 5850. The key features of these DX11 cards are :

? 1GB GDDR5 memory
? ATI Eyefinity technology with support for up to three displays
? ATI Stream technology,
? Designed for DirectCompute 5.0 and OpenCL
? Accelerated Video Transcoding (AVT)
? Compliant with DirectX® 11 and earlier revisions
? Supports OpenGL 3.1
? ATI CrossFireX? multi-GPU support for highly scalable performance6
? ATI Avivo? HD video and display technology
? Dynamic power management with ATI PowerPlay? technology
? DL-DVI, DL-DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI
? PCI Express® 2.0 support

The launch will take place in September and retail availability in October, same time as Windows 7 launch. More details later.

$189 HD5850 thats faster than a HD4870X2, anyone?
VR-zone

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: OCguy
So people are not only making wild assumptions based off hunches as to when hardware will be released, but we are bashing folding now?

I have a few posts that are marked to bump later. This thread contains more than one.


Someone is very wrong. It is either this article claiming GT300 taped out in May....

http://www.brightsideofnews.co...on-in-santa-clara.aspx



........or a few people on these forums claiming end of Q1/Q2 2010.



As far as the slience that Bryan is taking as weakness, it could very well be something else.

Not only is GT300 a new architecture adding shaders and making them more efficient according to rumors, but it is also incorporating DDR5 and a higher memory interface.

If ATI just takes the 4870 and doubles shaders, nV may be looking a substantial lead performance wise even if they launch a couple months later.


Of course none of us know anything, which is what makes all of this fun. :thumbsup:

Unless I missed someting, who's bashinng F@H? I only stated that I believe those who buy cards strictly for folding are probably a drop in the bucket when factored in and compared to the number of cards sold for gaming, HTPC's, etc.

For the record, if I were to take a guess, I'd also be on the 'Nvidia is launching later than sooner." crowd as well. But as you said, we are doing little more than guessing here and could very well be wrong.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Catalyst 9.10 (8.66), the first official driver for the Radeon HD5870 (Cypress XT) and Radeon HD5850 (Cypress Pro).

http://gathering.tweakers.net/.../view_message/32456017

Good news for those planning to get hd5850.

Good news, Vr-zone just posted this.... Looks like the 5850 is going to use a cypress core & gddr5.

[Rumour] AMD DX11 Cypress is Radeon HD 5870 & HD 5850

AMD has informed their partners that their upcoming DX11 Cypress cards will be known as Radeon HD 5800 series. Cypress XT is Radeon HD 5870 while Cypress PRO is Radeon HD 5850. The key features of these DX11 cards are :

? 1GB GDDR5 memory
? ATI Eyefinity technology with support for up to three displays
? ATI Stream technology,
? Designed for DirectCompute 5.0 and OpenCL
? Accelerated Video Transcoding (AVT)
? Compliant with DirectX® 11 and earlier revisions
? Supports OpenGL 3.1
? ATI CrossFireX? multi-GPU support for highly scalable performance6
? ATI Avivo? HD video and display technology
? Dynamic power management with ATI PowerPlay? technology
? DL-DVI, DL-DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI
? PCI Express® 2.0 support

The launch will take place in September and retail availability in October, same time as Windows 7 launch. More details later.

$189 HD5850 thats faster than a HD4870X2, anyone?
VR-zone

... and some more marketing
- "Feel the power of more than 2 teraFLOPS plowing through the most demanding games."
- "Get up to 1.8X of a graphics performance boost with ATI CrossFireX? technology in dual mode."

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and some more marketing
- "Feel the power of more than 2 teraFLOPS plowing through the most demanding games."
- "Get up to 1.8X of a graphics performance boost with ATI CrossFireX? technology in dual mode."

That's rather conservative for marketing. I'm impressed they restricted their "Get up to..." comment to a mere 1.8x when the wording they used already set the stage for them to claim "2x" for some arbitrary and impractical usage scenario where the XF performance happens to scale perfectly linearly.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Catalyst 9.10 (8.66), the first official driver for the Radeon HD5870 (Cypress XT) and Radeon HD5850 (Cypress Pro).

http://gathering.tweakers.net/.../view_message/32456017

Good news for those planning to get hd5850.

Good news, Vr-zone just posted this.... Looks like the 5850 is going to use a cypress core & gddr5.

[Rumour] AMD DX11 Cypress is Radeon HD 5870 & HD 5850

AMD has informed their partners that their upcoming DX11 Cypress cards will be known as Radeon HD 5800 series. Cypress XT is Radeon HD 5870 while Cypress PRO is Radeon HD 5850. The key features of these DX11 cards are :

? 1GB GDDR5 memory
? ATI Eyefinity technology with support for up to three displays
? ATI Stream technology,
? Designed for DirectCompute 5.0 and OpenCL
? Accelerated Video Transcoding (AVT)
? Compliant with DirectX® 11 and earlier revisions
? Supports OpenGL 3.1
? ATI CrossFireX? multi-GPU support for highly scalable performance6
? ATI Avivo? HD video and display technology
? Dynamic power management with ATI PowerPlay? technology
? DL-DVI, DL-DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI
? PCI Express® 2.0 support

The launch will take place in September and retail availability in October, same time as Windows 7 launch. More details later.

$189 HD5850 thats faster than a HD4870X2, anyone?
VR-zone

While that would certainly be nice, remember that 38xx was very weak compared to 48xx. The general consensus was that amd pulled a rabbit out of their hat with the current gen. It would be much more impressive imho if they were able to again make a midrange card that was >= the last gen high end x2 card. More likely is for 5870 to be = 4870x2.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
...
While that would certainly be nice, remember that 38xx was very weak compared to 48xx. The general consensus was that amd pulled a rabbit out of their hat with the current gen. It would be much more impressive imho if they were able to again make a midrange card that was >= the last gen high end x2 card. More likely is for 5870 to be = 4870x2.

That sounds about right.
170% of RV770 and hard launch - 300K cards.

 

[angry hampster]

Any word on pricing for the 5870?

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Doesn't seem too good to be true. 100% performance increase from a next gen part has happened numerous times in the past. This also is the first time ATI is using the code name Rxxx in a long time. They used to use Rxxx for their top end and RVxxx for their value lines. R800 for 5870 X2 and RV870 for 5870. The use of the codename R instead of RV for their top spot seems to say that they are aiming for a top dog position.

don't know about using "R" instead of "Rv", but huge performance increase over previous gen is almost commonplace. In fact, most recently 4850 is quite a bit faster than 3870x2, 4870 is a LOT faster than 3870x2, 4870x2 is probably 100% or more faster.

Just a little correction. 3870x2 is much faster then a 8800gtx which is = 4850. 4870 is more or less = to a 3870 x2. 3870 x2 is slightly slower then 8800gt's in sli which = a gtx280

8800gtx is not = 4850. 4850 is actually better than 9800gtx, which is what started the whole 9800gtx++++--**@ bs that we saw last year. I really hate to throw up anything from toms on you, but: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...phics-card,2362-6.html

4850 actually is faster than 3870x2 in many scenarios, and the 1gb probably beats 3870x2 every time. However, I was mistaken when I said that it was "much faster". The "much faster" card is the 4870.

8800gtx vs 3870 x2 @ Anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209&p=4

Where crossfire works the 3870x2 beats the 4850,9800gtx,8800gtx.
Anandtech benches here.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=14

With the new drivers today and much improved crossfire performance I believe 3870 x2 would pull away even more. The 4870 looks to be slightly faster.

 

[Tempered81]

I only say that because the 5850 is looking like 625mhz/950mhz, while the 5870 is looking like 850mhz/1200mhz, both cards using the same core-Cypress. The vantage scores for cypress were reported 16k, 17k, and 18k. 5850, 5870, 5870xt 2gb. That puts the ration between the 5850 & 5870 @ 5-10%, and the score of the 5850 already greater than that of 4870x2.

 

[lopri]

One thing I'm fairly certain is that the card's memory interface is not 256-bit. I saw the pic and the die is not aligned to the shim.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: lopri
One thing I'm fairly certain is that the card's memory interface is not 256-bit. I saw the pic and the die is not aligned to the shim.

There are some pictures that show 4 mem chips on the back of pcb. If there are 8 on the front side then we'll see 384bit cards.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Catalyst 9.10 (8.66), the first official driver for the Radeon HD5870 (Cypress XT) and Radeon HD5850 (Cypress Pro).

http://gathering.tweakers.net/.../view_message/32456017

Good news for those planning to get hd5850.

Good news, Vr-zone just posted this.... Looks like the 5850 is going to use a cypress core & gddr5.

[Rumour] AMD DX11 Cypress is Radeon HD 5870 & HD 5850

AMD has informed their partners that their upcoming DX11 Cypress cards will be known as Radeon HD 5800 series. Cypress XT is Radeon HD 5870 while Cypress PRO is Radeon HD 5850. The key features of these DX11 cards are :

? 1GB GDDR5 memory
? ATI Eyefinity technology with support for up to three displays
? ATI Stream technology,
? Designed for DirectCompute 5.0 and OpenCL
? Accelerated Video Transcoding (AVT)
? Compliant with DirectX® 11 and earlier revisions
? Supports OpenGL 3.1
? ATI CrossFireX? multi-GPU support for highly scalable performance6
? ATI Avivo? HD video and display technology
? Dynamic power management with ATI PowerPlay? technology
? DL-DVI, DL-DVI, DisplayPort, HDMI
? PCI Express® 2.0 support

The launch will take place in September and retail availability in October, same time as Windows 7 launch. More details later.

$189 HD5850 thats faster than a HD4870X2, anyone?
VR-zone

This stuff is not a rumour. It's going to be printed on the HD58xx boxes.

 

[Tempered81]

So you're saying its wrong that Vr-zone printed "[Rumour]" in their title? You should email them...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
$189 HD5850 thats faster than a HD4870X2, anyone?

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Tempered81
$189 HD5850 thats faster than a HD4870X2, anyone?

:laugh:

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
So you're saying its wrong that Vr-zone printed "[Rumour]" in their title? You should email them...

They know it's close to 100% what's going to be printed. They just can not state that this is it.
It's safer to use a rumour umbrella.

 

[OCGuy]

While the "launch" may be in Sept, articles are also saying retail availability in October.

 

[imported_Shaq]

I was hoping we were done with paper launches. :disgust:

 

[dguy6789]

My guess is they are still having some measure of trouble with 40nm production. They won't have enough cards as they would like for a launch by September.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Shaq
I was hoping we were done with paper launches. :disgust:

This is not a paper launch. Look what happened the last year with 4850. They were on sale prior to the official 'hard launch'.

It is impossible to hard launch cards these days and to stop all the leaks as well.
To launch a card 3-4 weeks prior to the retail availability is arguably the best way to go.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Shaq
I was hoping we were done with paper launches. :disgust:

This is not a paper launch. Look what happened the last year with 4850. They were on sale prior to the official 'hard launch'.

It is impossible to hard launch cards these days and to stop all the leaks as well.
To launch a card 3-4 weeks prior to the retail availability is arguably the best way to go.

Hmmm...wouldnt launching it 3-4 weeks prior to being able to buy one be a paper launch?


You contradicted yourself there.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Shaq
I was hoping we were done with paper launches. :disgust:

This is not a paper launch. Look what happened the last year with 4850. They were on sale prior to the official 'hard launch'.

It is impossible to hard launch cards these days and to stop all the leaks as well.
To launch a card 3-4 weeks prior to the retail availability is arguably the best way to go.

Hmmm...wouldnt launching it 3-4 weeks prior to being able to buy one be a paper launch?


You contradicted yourself there.

Well, I should have said 'pre-launch' a card...
This way it's better for the review sites. With a major release (a new generation card) like this one there is no way leaked reviews done by people that are not under NDA would not hit the internet before the new cards are in stores.
A minor release (not a new generation) is a different story.