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bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Janooo
Originally posted by: OCguy
Why would anyone with a current generation card jump on the next gen without seeing the price to performance ratio of both companies?
What price - performance ratio are you talking about?
New AMD cards with old NV cards?




Next gen V next gen.


Hell, even throw the last gen in there. Why not. AMD has great price/performance right now. Why wouldnt you compare?

I don't think there is any reason to wait when the 5800 launches, assuming it's a good performer. I doubt lots of people waited when the GeForce 8800's were launched. I would imagine the Radeon 58x0 launch could very well be similar, it'll be capable of the next DX version, like the 8800 and assuming the specs are in the ball park it should be easily the fastest single GPU around, much like the 8800 launch. Assuming it's not priced in the stratosphere I don't see much reason to wait if the performance is there.

yes, but with the 8800 many people did wait...and wait...and wait...and finally after months of ati's BS they saw how shitty the 2900 was and ended up buying, yep, you guessed it, an 8800.

last round was a little bit better for daamit b/c they owned the mid and upper/mid by a very large margin for quite a while. by the time nvidia got around to bringing their prices back in line amd had already grabbed the spotlight, much like nvidia did with 8800 series in the previous generation.

It will be very interesting to see just how early amd ends up being and how close it ends up being to nvidia in performance.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Janooo

Where is NV next gen? How long till we get to see one?

Who cares? Anyone sitting on a current gen card would be silly to jump on 5XXX unless:


A. They are hardware enthusiasts and want to play around with new hardware

or

B. 5XXX is so great, there is no point in waiting to see anything else.

Remember when 5900 Ultra came out after Radeon 9800Pro and it was still slower?

Also, I am confident that NV's chip will be faster if they are sticking with a large die philosophy for this generation again. However, if they price it at $500 and ATI card gives you 80% of the performance at $299, like last time 4870 vs. gtx280, then waiting for NV for say another 3-4 months seems like a waste.

At the end of the day something faster and cheaper will always come out within 3-6 months, etc. So the best time to upgrade the gpu would be when the games you play run too slow for your comfort. With CPUs it is a bit different since now a CPU can last 2-3 years with ease and through 2-3 videocard generations.

also don't forget 2900 being slower than 8800 even though it was 6 months later.

I know what you mean about cpus, I'm dying to upgrade to a nehalem but my stupid x3350/q9450/q6600 are all too freakin' fast!! hmmm, my 7 year old nephew just blew up his Athlon 64 4000+, maybe he needs a quad core...:evil:
 

bryanW1995

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sorry, but anybody who lists fudzilla 3 FREAKIN' TIMES as a "link" is clearly deluded. just for grins, I clicked on the first fudzilla link. first of all, it was fuad. secondly, he talks like professor trelawney "something could possibly happen on or about the middle of the summer or in q4 of next year maybe". That's a pretty bad source to use, plus it was two months ago and we haven't heard any good news coming out of nvidia since then. we all know that nvidia is extremely anxious to get to the next round as they've been getting hammered for a while now, and the fact that we're not hearing anything from them points to, at best, a paper launch on dec 31 so that they can claim "late q4". Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995

sorry, but anybody who lists fudzilla 3 FREAKIN' TIMES as a "link" is clearly deluded. just for grins, I clicked on the first fudzilla link. first of all, it was fuad. secondly, he talks like professor trelawney "something could possibly happen on or about the middle of the summer or in q4 of next year maybe". That's a pretty bad source to use, plus it was two months ago and we haven't heard any good news coming out of nvidia since then. we all know that nvidia is extremely anxious to get to the next round as they've been getting hammered for a while now, and the fact that we're not hearing anything from them points to, at best, a paper launch on dec 31 so that they can claim "late q4". Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.

The guy went to a lot of time and effort to fetch up those links and draft a nice post for you (and the rest of us) to digest the purported info. It's cool to read them and still decide to say "I don't agree with the sources you linked and here's why..." but quite unnecessary to get personal and call him deluded.

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.

And your words are based on what exactly?

If you disregard rumor sites the likes of Fud and BSN then by what source of info do you rely upon to even know that a GT300 is coming in the next two years, let alone the question as to what source of info you are relying upon to decide you have some idea of their timeline for delivering the product?

I'm not saying its a "take it or leave it" situation with everything fud or bsn says, but if you are going to take someone to task over their use of fud links then you really open yourself up to scrutiny in terms of the quality of your own sources when you come out making strong prognostications of the likes as "mark my words...".
 
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Originally posted by: faxon
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: MODEL3
Imagine the bad stock opportunities for NV, the cash flow problems, the finacial results (add Q3-Q4 chipset market results), the stock market problems!

A dream come true...
lol!

Unfortunately, Nvidia has too big of a name so that wont happen, not suddenly like this, even if R870 destroyed the GT300, Nvidia would probably still sell more based on name alone

Kinda like Intel vs AMD

nah, nvidia would sell more cause a lot of the people who do F@H end up spending thousands on NV cards for their CUDA based folding rigs due to the PPD they can crank out. if i had a 6 figure income and i was living on my own, i would probably have about 20 computers up and running at any one time, all of which would have the highest PPD generating NV card configuration i could cram on a motherboard. the profits nvidia makes off people who do that are probably considerable. i would still put an ATI card in my main gaming rig if it would net me more gaming performance, but every time i upgraded my folding farm, nvidia would make thousands, at least until ATI comes up with a similarly performing GPGPU solution that has a F@H client capable of outputting the same PPD

F@H customers barely represent a smidge on either sides radar. That alone is not going to boost their overall sales. Us amatuer and actual enthusiasts represent a small and barely vocal portion of the consumer landscape. At the very most its only 1 out of 1000 dedicated GPU customers actually run F@H. And much less of them continue to run it.

Brand recognition sells cards. Plain and simple. That's why there are so many god damn fanboys out there.

Folding at Home is no selling point. Not one at all.
 

error8

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Why do people fold anyway? You don't get paid for it, you heat up your home, overuse your hardware and spend a fortune on the power bill. Again, why are you folding?
 

faxon

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Originally posted by: error8
Why do people fold anyway? You don't get paid for it, you heat up your home, overuse your hardware and spend a fortune on the power bill. Again, why are you folding?

because ultimately it's cheaper than donating to charity since we get to spend our charity money on computer parts instead, and still put the money toward a good cause. the F@H network has more compute resources at its disposal than some of the largest centralized compute farms in the world, and when one of the primary things standing in our way to finding cures for the diseases and cancers F@H researches, that is definitely saying something about the enthusiast community at large, given how small the network is, as was stated by someone in this thread. these projects are getting tons of money from the private sector to fund other sections of the research, but upgrading their compute farms on their own dime costs a small fortune if they want to stay up to date even with all the grants they get. by distributing the work load, they dont have to worry about that anymore, so long as they keep their software up to date and fed with data to crunch
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Originally posted by: Jacen
Mark your calendars, I am hearing second hand that the Sept 10th date is just a pre launch event and that the actual launch will be the 24th.

Ah, just in time for my birthday. I have a feeling the 24th is more likely than the 10th, the links I read made the 10th seem more like what you say, a pre-launch type of event.

Didn't AMD do this before? A pre-pre launch event to smooth over the media's expectations in a controlled setting before the reviews could come out? I could be completely off-base here (or just completely imagining a series of events that never actually occurred) but wasn't the HD3xxx launch like this, and something about a Taos event or a Trinidad event that got under Anand's skin in one of his articles?

It just feels rather Deja-Vu-ee.

Wasn't it casablanca or some place like that?
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: dguy6789
Doesn't seem too good to be true. 100% performance increase from a next gen part has happened numerous times in the past. This also is the first time ATI is using the code name Rxxx in a long time. They used to use Rxxx for their top end and RVxxx for their value lines. R800 for 5870 X2 and RV870 for 5870. The use of the codename R instead of RV for their top spot seems to say that they are aiming for a top dog position.

don't know about using "R" instead of "Rv", but huge performance increase over previous gen is almost commonplace. In fact, most recently 4850 is quite a bit faster than 3870x2, 4870 is a LOT faster than 3870x2, 4870x2 is probably 100% or more faster.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: faxon
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: MODEL3
Imagine the bad stock opportunities for NV, the cash flow problems, the finacial results (add Q3-Q4 chipset market results), the stock market problems!

A dream come true...
lol!

Unfortunately, Nvidia has too big of a name so that wont happen, not suddenly like this, even if R870 destroyed the GT300, Nvidia would probably still sell more based on name alone

Kinda like Intel vs AMD

nah, nvidia would sell more cause a lot of the people who do F@H end up spending thousands on NV cards for their CUDA based folding rigs due to the PPD they can crank out. if i had a 6 figure income and i was living on my own, i would probably have about 20 computers up and running at any one time, all of which would have the highest PPD generating NV card configuration i could cram on a motherboard. the profits nvidia makes off people who do that are probably considerable. i would still put an ATI card in my main gaming rig if it would net me more gaming performance, but every time i upgraded my folding farm, nvidia would make thousands, at least until ATI comes up with a similarly performing GPGPU solution that has a F@H client capable of outputting the same PPD

unfortunately, that is nearly a full time job just keeping the gpus from exploding. my gpu gets cranky when I run cuda seti and game at the same time.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: MODEL3
Imagine the bad stock opportunities for NV, the cash flow problems, the finacial results (add Q3-Q4 chipset market results), the stock market problems!

A dream come true...
lol!

Unfortunately, Nvidia has too big of a name so that wont happen, not suddenly like this, even if R870 destroyed the GT300, Nvidia would probably still sell more based on name alone

Kinda like Intel vs AMD

For Intel, it's actually because they really do make better processors. And have been ahead the game for quite some time. People tend to buy AMD cause they are considered the "underdog", or since Intel is so successful, people see them as a big bad corporation and go with the lower market share choice.

read much history? from 03-06 amd was better but intel still killed them in sales.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: bryanW1995

sorry, but anybody who lists fudzilla 3 FREAKIN' TIMES as a "link" is clearly deluded. just for grins, I clicked on the first fudzilla link. first of all, it was fuad. secondly, he talks like professor trelawney "something could possibly happen on or about the middle of the summer or in q4 of next year maybe". That's a pretty bad source to use, plus it was two months ago and we haven't heard any good news coming out of nvidia since then. we all know that nvidia is extremely anxious to get to the next round as they've been getting hammered for a while now, and the fact that we're not hearing anything from them points to, at best, a paper launch on dec 31 so that they can claim "late q4". Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.

The guy went to a lot of time and effort to fetch up those links and draft a nice post for you (and the rest of us) to digest the purported info. It's cool to read them and still decide to say "I don't agree with the sources you linked and here's why..." but quite unnecessary to get personal and call him deluded.

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.

And your words are based on what exactly?

If you disregard rumor sites the likes of Fud and BSN then by what source of info do you rely upon to even know that a GT300 is coming in the next two years, let alone the question as to what source of info you are relying upon to decide you have some idea of their timeline for delivering the product?

I'm not saying its a "take it or leave it" situation with everything fud or bsn says, but if you are going to take someone to task over their use of fud links then you really open yourself up to scrutiny in terms of the quality of your own sources when you come out making strong prognostications of the likes as "mark my words...".

sorry, allow me to rephrase:

good work kakkoii, you obviously spent a lot of time and effort getting all of those links. However, if you would have read the links then you probably would have reached the same conclusion that we did.


IDC, do you really believe that nvidia is going to launch this year??? How many times have they pushed back their launch? How many rumor sites have predicted august, then sept, then oct, then "late q4". You have been around for quite a while, when have we seen this behavior before? hmmmm, r600 maybe? PHENOM??? Whenever nvidia is even close (or vice versa obviously) they will paper launch SOMETHING to steal the other team's glory. That's just smart marketing.

The fact that they aren't even making noises about having any sort of spoiler effect on a sept 24 amd launch makes it highly likely that they are having problems keeping up their desired launch schedule. The 3 most desirable time frames for launch are 1. on or around amd's launch date, 2. on or around win 7 launch date, or 3. xmas season. I think that you will agree that 1 and 2 are off the table. I certainly think that it's "possible" for them get something in by xmas, but based upon past situations I find it unlikely that they'll do anything more than a paper launch at that time.

I hope that I'm wrong about this. If AMD really gets a 5-7 month advantage on nvidia this time then it will be because nvidia is having problems. Now is a VERY BAD time for nvidia to botch two straight design families. They are going to become the underdog if they're not careful, and as we have all seen daamit is as bad as anybody else when they have a clear competitive advantage.
 

SlowSpyder

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Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Originally posted by: faxon
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: MODEL3
Imagine the bad stock opportunities for NV, the cash flow problems, the finacial results (add Q3-Q4 chipset market results), the stock market problems!

A dream come true...
lol!

Unfortunately, Nvidia has too big of a name so that wont happen, not suddenly like this, even if R870 destroyed the GT300, Nvidia would probably still sell more based on name alone

Kinda like Intel vs AMD

nah, nvidia would sell more cause a lot of the people who do F@H end up spending thousands on NV cards for their CUDA based folding rigs due to the PPD they can crank out. if i had a 6 figure income and i was living on my own, i would probably have about 20 computers up and running at any one time, all of which would have the highest PPD generating NV card configuration i could cram on a motherboard. the profits nvidia makes off people who do that are probably considerable. i would still put an ATI card in my main gaming rig if it would net me more gaming performance, but every time i upgraded my folding farm, nvidia would make thousands, at least until ATI comes up with a similarly performing GPGPU solution that has a F@H client capable of outputting the same PPD

F@H customers barely represent a smidge on either sides radar. That alone is not going to boost their overall sales. Us amatuer and actual enthusiasts represent a small and barely vocal portion of the consumer landscape. At the very most its only 1 out of 1000 dedicated GPU customers actually run F@H. And much less of them continue to run it.

Brand recognition sells cards. Plain and simple. That's why there are so many god damn fanboys out there.

Folding at Home is no selling point. Not one at all.

Right. I run F@H just because I can get some crunching done while I nef on AT. I doubt very much that people take F@H performance into consideration when buying, generally. Compared to those who buy video cards for gaming and HTPC's, F@H buyers are a drop in the bucket.
 

happy medium

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Doesn't seem too good to be true. 100% performance increase from a next gen part has happened numerous times in the past. This also is the first time ATI is using the code name Rxxx in a long time. They used to use Rxxx for their top end and RVxxx for their value lines. R800 for 5870 X2 and RV870 for 5870. The use of the codename R instead of RV for their top spot seems to say that they are aiming for a top dog position.

don't know about using "R" instead of "Rv", but huge performance increase over previous gen is almost commonplace. In fact, most recently 4850 is quite a bit faster than 3870x2, 4870 is a LOT faster than 3870x2, 4870x2 is probably 100% or more faster.

Just a little correction. 3870x2 is much faster then a 8800gtx which is = 4850. 4870 is more or less = to a 3870 x2. 3870 x2 is slightly slower then 8800gt's in sli which = a gtx280
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
IDC, do you really believe that nvidia is going to launch this year???

I do have an opinion regarding the release schedule and likelihood of the timeline being hit but the my opinion is formed from data that my sources expect me to hold in confidence so I'll abstain from even trying to be silly and hinting or winking about it.

I'm not here to fuel the fires of speculation on NV (or ATI) release schedule, and my questions to you should not be interpreted as me expecting the Q1/2010 date as being too early or too late...I just like to see self-consistency so I was curious how you can talk down a fellow poster's use of rumor sites as reference info while at the same time I don't see how you could avoid relying on those same sites when you speak to your timeline expectations...unless you have your own sources and they aren't holding you to any terms of confidentiality?

Anyways I hope this isn't coming across as me trying to be a dick about this, I'm not trying berate you or anything, just wondered how things added up in your mind perchance I was missing something.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: Sekkai
What do you guys think about the upcoming GT cards?

Like the GT200 debut, I'm anxious to be impressed.

Speculation prior to release:

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39 on 03/05/2008

This makes me wonder if Nvidia will release the GT200 in September (6 months from 9800GX2), or if it will compensate for time issues and delay it until November.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2162350

Not too far from the the truth, but NV turned out to have a little bit of a timeline surprise:

NVIDIA's 1.4 Billion Transistor GPU: GT200 Arrives as the GeForce GTX 280 & 260

Date: June 16th, 2008

One-Point-Four-Billion. That's transistors folks.

The chip is codenamed GT200 and it's the successor to NVIDIA's G80 and G92 families. Why the change in naming? The GT stands for "Graphics Tesla" and this is the second generation Graphics Tesla architecture, the first being the G80. The GT200 is launching today in two flavors, the die of the larger one is pictured below:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334
 

Kakkoii

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: bryanW1995

sorry, but anybody who lists fudzilla 3 FREAKIN' TIMES as a "link" is clearly deluded. just for grins, I clicked on the first fudzilla link. first of all, it was fuad. secondly, he talks like professor trelawney "something could possibly happen on or about the middle of the summer or in q4 of next year maybe". That's a pretty bad source to use, plus it was two months ago and we haven't heard any good news coming out of nvidia since then. we all know that nvidia is extremely anxious to get to the next round as they've been getting hammered for a while now, and the fact that we're not hearing anything from them points to, at best, a paper launch on dec 31 so that they can claim "late q4". Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.

The guy went to a lot of time and effort to fetch up those links and draft a nice post for you (and the rest of us) to digest the purported info. It's cool to read them and still decide to say "I don't agree with the sources you linked and here's why..." but quite unnecessary to get personal and call him deluded.

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Mark my words, we'll be lucky to have decent availability by mid q1 2010.

And your words are based on what exactly?

If you disregard rumor sites the likes of Fud and BSN then by what source of info do you rely upon to even know that a GT300 is coming in the next two years, let alone the question as to what source of info you are relying upon to decide you have some idea of their timeline for delivering the product?

I'm not saying its a "take it or leave it" situation with everything fud or bsn says, but if you are going to take someone to task over their use of fud links then you really open yourself up to scrutiny in terms of the quality of your own sources when you come out making strong prognostications of the likes as "mark my words...".

sorry, allow me to rephrase:

good work kakkoii, you obviously spent a lot of time and effort getting all of those links. However, if you would have read the links then you probably would have reached the same conclusion that we did.


IDC, do you really believe that nvidia is going to launch this year??? How many times have they pushed back their launch? How many rumor sites have predicted august, then sept, then oct, then "late q4". You have been around for quite a while, when have we seen this behavior before? hmmmm, r600 maybe? PHENOM??? Whenever nvidia is even close (or vice versa obviously) they will paper launch SOMETHING to steal the other team's glory. That's just smart marketing.

The fact that they aren't even making noises about having any sort of spoiler effect on a sept 24 amd launch makes it highly likely that they are having problems keeping up their desired launch schedule. The 3 most desirable time frames for launch are 1. on or around amd's launch date, 2. on or around win 7 launch date, or 3. xmas season. I think that you will agree that 1 and 2 are off the table. I certainly think that it's "possible" for them get something in by xmas, but based upon past situations I find it unlikely that they'll do anything more than a paper launch at that time.

I hope that I'm wrong about this. If AMD really gets a 5-7 month advantage on nvidia this time then it will be because nvidia is having problems. Now is a VERY BAD time for nvidia to botch two straight design families. They are going to become the underdog if they're not careful, and as we have all seen daamit is as bad as anybody else when they have a clear competitive advantage.

I did read the links. And I merely put forth the best links I could find so people may be able to take in the available info and come to their own conclusions. Instead of just taking some random forum guys word for it.
 

theAnimal

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Originally posted by: error8
Why do people fold anyway?
Because I feel it's a worthy cause.

You don't get paid for it
Do you only do things you're paid for?

you heat up your home
That's great in the winter!

overuse your hardware
I've run OCed for 24/7 for years and the only hardware I've lost was a crappy PSU and a mobo with bad caps. What's the point of buying all that hardware if you're not gonna use it?

spend a fortune on the power bill
How much you spend is entirely up to you; I don't consider a few extra dollars a month a fortune.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
IDC, do you really believe that nvidia is going to launch this year???

I do have an opinion regarding the release schedule and likelihood of the timeline being hit but the my opinion is formed from data that my sources expect me to hold in confidence so I'll abstain from even trying to be silly and hinting or winking about it.

I'm not here to fuel the fires of speculation on NV (or ATI) release schedule, and my questions to you should not be interpreted as me expecting the Q1/2010 date as being too early or too late...I just like to see self-consistency so I was curious how you can talk down a fellow poster's use of rumor sites as reference info while at the same time I don't see how you could avoid relying on those same sites when you speak to your timeline expectations...unless you have your own sources and they aren't holding you to any terms of confidentiality?

Anyways I hope this isn't coming across as me trying to be a dick about this, I'm not trying berate you or anything, just wondered how things added up in your mind perchance I was missing something.

Sorry, I thought that it was absolutely obvious that fuad is clueless. He reads tech forums (probably including this one), then makes shit up for his articles. Most reasonably intelligent people who hang out in here could (and would) do a much better job than he does.

I don't have any special sources, I don't work in the industry as you do, but I'm pretty familiar with the release schedules of intel/nvidia/daamit over the past 5 years. I don't need inside info to tell that nvidia is going to be doing well to have a non-paper launch in time for xmas. I hope I'm wrong because, as a consumer, I would like to be able to purchase a new gpu this year at a reasonable price.

 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Sekkai
What do you guys think about the upcoming GT cards?

Like the GT200 debut, I'm anxious to be impressed.

Speculation prior to release:

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39 on 03/05/2008

This makes me wonder if Nvidia will release the GT200 in September (6 months from 9800GX2), or if it will compensate for time issues and delay it until November.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2162350

Not too far from the the truth, but NV turned out to have a little bit of a timeline surprise:

NVIDIA's 1.4 Billion Transistor GPU: GT200 Arrives as the GeForce GTX 280 & 260

Date: June 16th, 2008

One-Point-Four-Billion. That's transistors folks.

The chip is codenamed GT200 and it's the successor to NVIDIA's G80 and G92 families. Why the change in naming? The GT stands for "Graphics Tesla" and this is the second generation Graphics Tesla architecture, the first being the G80. The GT200 is launching today in two flavors, the die of the larger one is pictured below:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334

this is a great example of why I think that nvidia will launch later than many people hope or expect. They made a huge push to one-up amd with the gt200/r(v)7xx launch, and they were far enough along that they were even able to have a decent amount of inventory at launch. Now, amd is launching in sept and we're not hearing anything at all. I strongly believe that keysplayr and other focus group members will be given info that they can pass on to us when updates occur, and right now they're not getting squat.

Whether you inside info, you're under nda, or whatever, do you really believe that nvidia wouldn't paper launch on amd's parade on sept 24th or thereabouts if they were able to do a hard launch two months later??? Hell, if I was jen hsun I'd use sticks, rubber bands, glue and duct tape to make 10 or 15 gt300's that sold out on newegg in 12 seconds on sept 24 if I knew that there would be plenty of supply in a month or two.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Doesn't seem too good to be true. 100% performance increase from a next gen part has happened numerous times in the past. This also is the first time ATI is using the code name Rxxx in a long time. They used to use Rxxx for their top end and RVxxx for their value lines. R800 for 5870 X2 and RV870 for 5870. The use of the codename R instead of RV for their top spot seems to say that they are aiming for a top dog position.

don't know about using "R" instead of "Rv", but huge performance increase over previous gen is almost commonplace. In fact, most recently 4850 is quite a bit faster than 3870x2, 4870 is a LOT faster than 3870x2, 4870x2 is probably 100% or more faster.

Just a little correction. 3870x2 is much faster then a 8800gtx which is = 4850. 4870 is more or less = to a 3870 x2. 3870 x2 is slightly slower then 8800gt's in sli which = a gtx280

8800gtx is not = 4850. 4850 is actually better than 9800gtx, which is what started the whole 9800gtx++++--**@ bs that we saw last year. I really hate to throw up anything from toms on you, but: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...phics-card,2362-6.html

4850 actually is faster than 3870x2 in many scenarios, and the 1gb probably beats 3870x2 every time. However, I was mistaken when I said that it was "much faster". The "much faster" card is the 4870.
 

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So people are not only making wild assumptions based off hunches as to when hardware will be released, but we are bashing folding now?

I have a few posts that are marked to bump later. This thread contains more than one.


Someone is very wrong. It is either this article claiming GT300 taped out in May....

http://www.brightsideofnews.co...on-in-santa-clara.aspx



........or a few people on these forums claiming end of Q1/Q2 2010.



As far as the slience that Bryan is taking as weakness, it could very well be something else.

Not only is GT300 a new architecture adding shaders and making them more efficient according to rumors, but it is also incorporating DDR5 and a higher memory interface.

If ATI just takes the 4870 and doubles shaders, nV may be looking a substantial lead performance wise even if they launch a couple months later.


Of course none of us know anything, which is what makes all of this fun. :thumbsup:
 
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