Help decide ivy or haswell

[xfilos]

Hi,

Iam planning to upgrade my Motherboard and CPU ( currently I have core i5 760 and p55-us3l Motherboard ). Initially I was planning to upgrade to haswell i5 - 4670 3.4 ghz, but afraid to do so now since from what I found in the web it has higher power consumption and heat generation than IVY due to the integrated VRM on chip. I am not planning to overclock (though I have hyper 412 slim cooler in the current build and will be transferring the same to new cpu | because of room temperatures in India :| ). So do you think I should go on Haswell route or will Ivy i5 - 3570 be better compared to Haswell. I suppose the Haswell board will support the extra 6gbs sata ports and has performance increase of 6 to 10%.
I am really in a dilemma so as to which will be better and not to miss the latest socket. Kindly advise.

Right now the current config is
Gigabyte p55-us3l
I5 760 2.8 ghz
8 GB transcend 1333 mzh Ram
xfx 4870
Cooler master hyper 412 slim cooler
Samsung 840 ( non pro ) 128 GB SSD
Corsair TX 650
Galdiator 600 cabinet
23inch LED Acer monitor


Also in my city only the following boards are available for Haswell:

Asus :

Z87-K
Z87-A
GRYPHON Z87
Z87-Pro


Iam planning to get the Gryphon z87. Please let me know whether its good or should I go with Z87 A. The z87 pro is costlier here and I dont think it will fit my budget.


for Ivy : p8Z77 M pro / V LX and Gigabyte G1 sniper are available ( if iam going with Ivy ).

Waiting for your expert response. Thanks in advance.

regards,
Xfilos

 

[blastingcap]

What prices would you be paying? I wouldn't pay that much more for Haswell if you are using a discrete video card, which it looks like you are.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Haswell.

 

[xfilos]

What prices would you be paying? I wouldn't pay that much more for Haswell if you are using a discrete video card, which it looks like you are.

It will be around 25 dollars (converted from Rupees) more for the Haswell compared to Ivy. however my main concern is the heat and power consumption. Is it true that they are high compared to Ivy ? Please advise.

Also Iam planning to upgrade the graphics card in another 2 months.


@ShintaiDK : In that case can you please advice on the Motherboard from the available options ? However Iam not sure about Haswell

Thanks in advance

Xfilos.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

higher power consumption and heat generation than IVY due to the integrated VRM on chip.

Is it true that they are high compared to Ivy ? Please advise.

Don't forget that the "extra" power consumption due to the on-chip VRM's, is now no longer being used on the motherboard. So (in theory) at the electricity wall socket, it makes little difference, if the VRM's electricity is being consumed by the motherboard or on-chip. (but it does still potentially make the cpu hotter).
From what I have seen reported on the net (I have some ivy bridge setups, but no Haswells), the computer power consumption is comparable between ivy and haswell (I think idle favours Haswell because of improved power gating etc, and full load favours Ivy, but there is no huge difference, anyway).

If it was me, I would go Haswell now, as it is probably the most future proof, will probably have the best resale value, and may get increasingly faster as time goes on (as new instruction set features such as AVX2 are increasingly more supported).

 

[xfilos]

Don't forget that the "extra" power consumption due to the on-chip VRM's, is now no longer being used on the motherboard. So (in theory) at the electricity wall socket, it makes little difference, if the VRM's electricity is being consumed by the motherboard or on-chip. (but it does still potentially make the cpu hotter).
From what I have seen reported on the net (I have some ivy bridge setups, but no Haswells), the computer power consumption is comparable between ivy and haswell (I think idle favours Haswell because of improved power gating etc, and full load favours Ivy, but there is no huge difference, anyway).

If it was me, I would go Haswell now, as it is probably the most future proof, will probably have the best resale value, and may get increasing faster as time goes on (as new instruction set features such as AVX2 are increasing more supported).

I see , Sorry if its a noob question : So you mean to say that the motherboard 8 phase vrm will not be used since its already worked on CPU? My concern of power consumption is mainly because of the resulting temperatures ( since its already damn hot in India ). Still awaiting suggestions on motherboard. Kindly advise as to which will be better from the above.

Thanks in advance.

Xfilos

 

[Face2Face]

I would think the only reason to go with Ivy is if you are currently on Sandybridge and want to upgrade OR you can get a Ivy with Mobo used for super cheap. Other than that, Haswell is the latest and greatest for the most part. Go with HASWELL

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you want to save power, go Haswell.

The VRMs will be used, but its very different from IB. Since the VRMs now only supply 2 voltages to the CPU.

 

[crashtech]

Not overclocking means Haswell is a very easy choice.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If no overclocking, get a cheap H87 board.

 

[crashtech]

Good catch, no reason for Z87 without overclocking, is there?

 

[blastingcap]

It will be around 25 dollars (converted from Rupees) more for the Haswell compared to Ivy. however my main concern is the heat and power consumption. Is it true that they are high compared to Ivy ? Please advise.

Also Iam planning to upgrade the graphics card in another 2 months.


@ShintaiDK : In that case can you please advice on the Motherboard from the available options ? However Iam not sure about Haswell

Thanks in advance

Xfilos.

At $25 TOTAL difference (including the motherboard price difference), I'd get Haswell. If you have to pay more than $60 more for Haswell + Haswell motherboard, I would rather stick to Ivy.

Most CPU time is at idle, not load, and Haswell is slightly better at both than Ivy... not enough to worry about unless you keep your computer on all day every day or something. The real power hog is that HD4870 which IDLES at an totally unacceptable wattage and is even more power hungry at load. Also your Power Supply Unit (PSU) should be as efficient as reasonable, probably Gold or Platinum 80+. Upgrading from a 80+ Bronze to a Gold or Plat PSU may wlel have a greater effect on power bills than Ivy -> Haswell.

 

[jacktesterson]

Haswell

 

[blackened23]

There's no reason to get IVB over Haswell. Z87 is a much more desirable platform, and even if you're into overclocking - let's not kid ourselves here, IVB gets very hot as well. I don't how all of a sudden, the 3770k is considered the best and coolest overclocker in the world, give me a break - people really have rose tinted glasses in this respect.... My 3770k easily hits 85C+ at high overclocks.

That is aside from the fact that a 4770k at 4.3GHz exceeds a 4.7GHz IVB anyway, due to the IPC increase.

So with all that being said, Haswell, definitely. The only possible justification for IVB is if you find an outrageously cheap used 3770k somewhere, then I can see that being a completely valid option. If you can save 100-150$ with a similar upgrade, then IVB could be worth it.

 

[Rvenger]

I am about done overclocking because I can't even keep my 4770k under 85c at 4ghz

 

[Phantom9309]

Haswell

 

[Medikit]

One advantage of NOT overclocking is that when you run into a hardware/software problem you don't have to return your CPU speed back to normal while problem shooting.

Another advantage of NOT overclocking is focusing on silent computing.

 

[tweakboy]

The fastest Intel Desktop chip will come out Sept 29th
4930k ..... I on purpose have the setup I do now , so I can slab on the new CPU,,

I do DAW , I use at one point 38GB RAM
Im gonna couple that soon with a 4930k and say fudgecake to upgrading CPU will last until 2020 if not more if not MS screwing things up again for us.

 

[xfilos]

If you want to save power, go Haswell.

The VRMs will be used, but its very different from IB. Since the VRMs now only supply 2 voltages to the CPU.

Thanks for that detailed info ShintaiDK.

@crashtech Actually the H87 board available here in my city is H87 pro and not many choices. If I spend 20 dollars more I can get the Z87 - A (also Z87 is good I guess ?) and 30 dollars for the Gryphon. So I thought of getting the Z87

@blackened23 Thanks for your suggestion, I guess the difference will be only 35 - 40 dollars. So I have decided to get the i5 - 4670.

From all your suggestion I guess I will go Haswell route. Please let me know if Z87 A or Gryphon will be good choice ? (any comparisons...) Also for Gryphon it has been mentioned that it holds 5 years warranty.

Thanks for all your help.

Xfilos

 

[sxr7171]

One advantage of NOT overclocking is that when you run into a hardware/software problem you don't have to return your CPU speed back to normal while problem shooting.

Another advantage of NOT overclocking is focusing on silent computing.

You can have both with the right components. Corsair H80 is one of them but I had to change the fans. Another is a silent case Antec, Lian-Li etc. I can't hear my computer pretty much ever and it's overclocked.

I do agree that troubleshooting in the beginning is a pain.

 

[tweakboy]

Little birdie told me Haswell will not OC as well as Ivy E ? Haswell is only 4 cores. a 6 core i7 4960x Oced 4.8Ghz will crush haswells 4 core CPU. Next year Haswell E comes out then that will take the lead .... 6 core models. 8 core or 20 core is for Servers. You wanna have the baddest comp out of all readers.. Grab a Xeon Ivy 20 core server processor.... 2 of them in dual socket, giddy! 40 cores . Dont cry CPU bottleneck on your benchie scores......

 

[SPBHM]

If no overclocking, get a cheap H87 board.

I see no reason to go with something higher than B85 with a locked haswell.