Help spending around $700

Boom782

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Hello, its been awhile since I have built myself a system and I have kind of lost touch with the recent technology so I am seeking advice.

My current specs are:
Epox 8RDA3+
AMD Barton 2500+
GF4 Ti4200
1gb Kingston HyperX PC3200

Im looking to upgrade and would like opinions. I don't game a whole lot, but I will if I have a good system. To be honest, Oblivion is the reason I am looking to upgrade. My current system wont run it at all.

I was thinking:
DFU Lanparty UT nF-4 SLI-DR ~ $180
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ ~ $230
Geforce 7900GT ~ $290
Keeping current RAM

Would the 3800+ x2 proc be worth the extra $70? Also I know NOTHING about Opterons. Should I look into those? Any other suggestions? Thanks in advance.
 

buzzsaw13

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Are you going to go SLI? If not I'd recommend this instead:

DFI Lanparty Ultra-D
Opteron 144/146 from Monarch
G.Skill 2x1gb PC4000

If you decide to go the cheaper route, I'd also recommend investing in a decent powersupply.
 

Duvie

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Were you looking at OCing??? If so the 3800+ X2 can be oc'd to decent levels and you wont lose anything in single core apps like gaming versus the 3700+


I think you could save money on the DFI sli though...If you dont plan on actually going SLI then dont waste the money....

The opterons oc well and the added cache versus the 3800+ could be worth it....However I saw the 165 (1.8ghz dual core) for 330 retail so it would be 100 more....

The 144/146 OC very well and are reasonably priced...
 

shredman

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Motherboard:
Why did you pick such an expensive SLI motherboard? Are you planning on using SLI? If not, (and I recommend not on your budget) I would drop that pricey motherboard and get something along the lines of Epox EP-9NPA3Ultra for $85 (has onboard sound, gbit Lan, raid and sata 3gb/s).

CPUs....you need to decide if you want to Dual or Single core and if you want to overclock and how much of an overclock.

Athlon/ Opteron:
As far as the opterons, they are hand picked chips that AMD planned to sell for server applications so they tend to be good at overclocking, however if you aren't planning on an aggressive overclock, then the AMD Athlon 64 is fine if it saves you some money.

Single/Dual Core:
Opterons and Athlons both come in Dual or single core versions, your choice here really will depend on if you plan to multitask now or in the future and how long you need to keep this current cpu you will buy....most applications/games currently available (oblivion is one exception) don't get a huge benefit from dual cores (unless you are running other tasks concurrently). But of course, future applications will, or if you plan to do things in the background while gaming dual cores will be more important.

Are you planning to overclock? Chances are you can get a lot more umph out of these chips will a little overclock effort....but if you can't be bothered, you may want to pay more upfront for higher MHZ. See the overclocking forums for more info here.

One strategy would be to buy a single core 3700 or opteron 148 for now .... in a few months overclock it as much as you are comfortable and then in a year or so, upgrade to a dual core which theoretically will be cheaper then so you could get a faster dual core later for the price of a 3800 now...of course, this strategy relies on you being able to sell your old cpu on ebay. This would keep some money in your pocket now to buy other things and you probably wouldnt miss the dual core for now anyway.

Athlon 64 3700 2.2 ghz single core- $235 (should be fine if you dont need the MAX overclock potential)
opteron 148 2.2 ghz sinlge core - $265 (worth the extra $30 if you are planning on a big overclock)

opteron 165 2.0 ghz Dual core - $327 (worth the extra $30 if you are planning on a big overclock)
Amd 3800 2.0 ghz Dual Core - $297

Epox Motherboard $85
7900GT ~ $300 (recommended brands, evga, bfg for warranties and evga has a 90 trade up program)

So, by picking a less pricey motherboard, you should be able to get almost any processor on that list and the 7900gt as well.

FYI, if you didn't know, AMD is launching their AM2 Platform soon which will use DDR2 ram.....and Intel is releasing Conroe in the fall that looks to be very fast! (but I wouldn't let that stop you from upgrading now)


 

essasin

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Id stick with the 939 socket epox board
opty 165
2 gigs of g.skill ddr500 (you will see the most benifit from this in everyday use)
7900gt
 

Boom782

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I DO plan on overclocking.

I would like a system that will be able to run high end stuff for preferably 2-3 years if not more.

I chose the DFI-SLI because it got great reviews as far as OC options and while I don't plan on using the SLI now I figured it might be nice to have the option later. Is it a waste if I don't use it now?

I figured dual core because I thought it would be a CPU that would hold me off for another year or two.

I have a good 550W power supply. Truepower or something like that. Forget the name.

Also I plan on running Windows Vista as soon as it comes out and I thought I read something about it using dual CPUs to their full potential.

So it looks like have shifted to a non-SLI MB, and probably an opteron.

My original thinking was thats the CPU and GPU change more frequently it seems, so I figured Id get a top of the line MB and that was I would only need to upgrade the GPU and CPU in the future.
 

Munky

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You could get a DFI Ultra-D mobo. That one is physically identical to the SLI version, but you have to do a pencil mod on the chipset to enable SLI. It's one of the best boards in terms of overclocking. As for the cpu choices, you'd get better results by using a single core cpu and upgrading the video card for more performance in games. In most games, a dual core cpu offers little or no benefit at settings that put the video card to full use.
 

Boom782

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So now that you all have me thinking about Opterons, which one do I go with?

Budget wise, its between 146, 148, and 165. Which overclock better and is the dual core going to be worth the extra $70 over the 148? Thanks again.
 

buzzsaw13

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Originally posted by: Boom782
$110 for an opteron 144 shipped a good buy?

Thats a great deal, I remember paying $160 for my 146 when prices were cheap, I believe monarch sells OEM for $130-140
 

Boom782

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I like the looks of the DFI Ultra-D MB since it seems identical to the SLI version and im probably not going to use SLI now. Problem is it doesnt seem to support X2 CPUs in case I decide to get one in the future. Am I reading this wrong?
 

buzzsaw13

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Originally posted by: Boom782
I like the looks of the DFI Ultra-D MB since it seems identical to the SLI version and im probably not going to use SLI now. Problem is it doesnt seem to support X2 CPUs in case I decide to get one in the future. Am I reading this wrong?

The Ultra-D supports X2's
 

Boom782

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Im having a really tough time deciding on an opteron. I will be mainly using my PC for gaming and internet browsing. Will Windows Vista be better suited for dual-cores?

Im still debating on the 144, 146, and 165.

144 for ~ $130
146 for ~ $160
165 for ~ $280(when on sale)

Is the dual core really worth the extra $100-150 or will it hold me off from upgrading long enough for it to be worthwhile? If not, then 144 or 146?

 

buzzsaw13

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If all your going to be doing is gaming and internet browsing, then I'd say go for the 144 and overclock
 

Boom782

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Will a 144 with a moderate overclock(say 2.2ghz) be able to run oblivion well with a 7900gt?
 

Boom782

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Sorry to keep bumping this but what would be a better way to spend $150?

Upgrading from my Kingston HyperX PC3200 1gb(2x512) to G.SKILL Extreme Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 500 (PC 4000)

or getting an opteron 165 as opposed to opteron 144?

Thanks
 
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Originally posted by: Boom782
Sorry to keep bumping this but what would be a better way to spend $150?

Upgrading from my Kingston HyperX PC3200 1gb(2x512) to G.SKILL Extreme Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 500 (PC 4000)

or getting an opteron 165 as opposed to opteron 144?

Thanks

I am currently using a single core A3200 @ 2.5ghz with 2 GB of OCZ PC4000 ram, and honestly I wish I had a dual core. Whenever I am encoding a DVD, I cannot do anything else on the computer without it feeling like an old P3 500. I know you said that you are mainly going to be doing gaming, but there will be times when you are running a virus scan and wish you could be fragging away at the same time trust me. I would suggest you get the dual core CPU now, find a nice o/c that is 100% stable, then upgrade your ram. I was using the exact same ram you are, and honestly I didn't see a huge performance difference by going to 2GB, even in BF2. Yes a difference is there, but not a huge one. You can easily sell your ram on ebay or the FS forums at a later time.
 

Boom782

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Do you have experience using a dual core though? I know you said you wish you had one, but does it make much of a difference when doing what you say? I also burn DVD's/CD's and I can't touch my PC during that 15-30 minutes without fear of overloading the CPU and getting a burn error.

Thanks for the reply.

Another question:

SAPPHIRE 100134L Radeon X1800XT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail for $264 SHIPPEd at Newegg

OR

eVGA 7900gt 256MB GDDR3 for $280 shipped

Been reading great things about both cards
 

Munky

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Well, I have a dual core, and let me mention that I never do stuff like encoding a movie while gaming. I do video encoding, but usually I just run the encoding when I'm not using the system for something else. Just because I can do it all at once, doesnt mean I should. When I'm gaming, I even turn off unnecesary stuff like AV applications that are just running in the background, and there's absolutely no way I'd want to run a full AV scan while gaming. Maybe the cpu can take the stress, but it will still put additional load on my memory system and the hard drives, and I dont want anything interfering with my gaming perfomance.
 

Boom782

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I see what your saying. I would never play a game/run AV while burning a disc anyways. But it would be nice to maybe browse the internet or write a paper, heck do anything with my PC while burning a disc. I sometimes get burn erros if my PC goes to screen saver mode or AV pops up and I close it immediately. Thats how CPU sensitive it is.
 

Munky

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When I had a single core cpu, I also did some light multitasking, such as burning a cd while browsing the web and listening to music, and my A64 3000 handled those without breaking a sweat. It's only when you do real heavy multitasking such as encoding a movie while running a game that a single core cpu gets bogged down.
 

Boom782

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I probably won't be doing anything like that so sounds like single core will do just fine. Think I have settled on:

G.SKILL Extreme Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ - Retail $159

SAPPHIRE 100134L Radeon X1800XT 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail $264

DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $122

Opteron 146 $155

Total shipped = $715 so just about where I wanted to be.
 
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I'd look at the ASUS A8R32-MVP motherboard if you're going with the Radeon X1800XT just in case you ever feel like goig crossfire
 

Boom782

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Well after nearly a month of review reading and question asking, I have finally settled on the final product. Unfortunetely it has cost me slightly over $1000 when I was hoping to keep it around $700, but this should be a killer rig. Heres the specs:

Opteron 146 tested at 2.8ghz on air
DFI LP UT nF4 Ultra-D
G.Skill 2gb(2x1gb) PC4000 RAM
Sapphire x1800xt 512MB
WD 250GB SATA 3.0GB/S 16MB buffer
OCZ Powerstream 520w
Cooler Master Centurion 5 Case

Should be a nice improvement on my current setup. Order has been placed. Can't wait for it to get here now!!!

Thanks for all the help and oppinions everyone.
 
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