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[obiwan168]

Well... Once again I come back here for help ('cause you guys are so awesome!)


Anyways, I built my computer 2 or so weeks ago, and now it has stopped working.
It's status was slowly deteriorating since a week ago, and now suddenly stopped booting bast the BIOS now.

It used just be random Blue Screen's of Death, but now it's totally dead.

I suspect it's my CPU, which is running (when I checked in the BIOS) at a insanely hot 109 degrees CELCIUS!

And this is when the CPU hasn't actually done anything yet... Just after startup...

So, is it my fan that's broken? I just used the stock one Intel provided. No overclocking was involved... Help?

 

[obiwan168]

Heh, oops... I just noticed I forgot to mention it's a Q6600.

 

[tutelary]

check to make sure the heatsink and fan are locked down properly

 

[obiwan168]

I'm fairly it's seated properly...
It's nice and tight, and directly on top of the CPU.

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: obiwan168
Well... Once again I come back here for help ('cause you guys are so awesome!)


Anyways, I built my computer 2 or so weeks ago, and now it has stopped working.
It's status was slowly deteriorating since a week ago, and now suddenly stopped booting bast the BIOS now.

It used just be random Blue Screen's of Death, but now it's totally dead.

I suspect it's my CPU, which is running (when I checked in the BIOS) at a insanely hot 109 degrees CELCIUS!

And this is when the CPU hasn't actually done anything yet... Just after startup...

So, is it my fan that's broken? I just used the stock one Intel provided. No overclocking was involved... Help?

Hmmm, I also think the HSF installation is suspect. Are you using the stock cooler that came with the chip? Those pushpins are notoriously difficult to push in all the way.

I don't think you're chip is actually running at 109 C since thermal protection should shut it down long before it gets there. Sometimes motherboards incorrectly report temperature. Feel the heatsink the next time you boot up. If your chip is running hot, but the metal on the heatsink still feels cool, then you probably haven't installed it right. Keep in mind, if you want to try to reseat it then make sure you are prepared to clean the surfaces and apply fresh TIM.

By the way, you never mentioned if or how you solved your last problem. It's helpful for others if you provide updates to problems so others can learn as well.

 

[obiwan168]

The heat sink is around Luke warm when I feel it. And yes, I'm using the stock cooler.

If I installed the the fan wrong (which I am more and more thinking I did) should I take the whole mother board out to re-install it? Also whenever I try to install the fan, I am always afraid of the mother board breaking... It can sustain that type of force... Right?

Can someone point me in the direction of instructions to installing a CPU fan? Intel's instructions leave me a bit... Worried. Worried that I'll break something expensive...

Thanks in advance.

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: obiwan168
The heat sink is around Luke warm when I feel it. And yes, I'm using the stock cooler.

If I installed the the fan wrong (which I am more and more thinking I did) should I take the whole mother board out to re-install it? Also whenever I try to install the fan, I am always afraid of the mother board breaking... It can sustain that type of force... Right?

Can someone point me in the direction of instructions to installing a CPU fan? Intel's instructions leave me a bit... Worried. Worried that I'll break something expensive...

Thanks in advance.

I don't have any personal experience in this topic so hopefully someone else can give more detail, but I can give a couple starters.

I have heard that the pins can require substantial force and that you should hear a click as each one pops into place. You should be able to do this with the MB in or out of the case. It may be easier out of the case, but if you've already installed the MB I don't know if its worth the effort to remove it again.

The MB can handle pretty significant forces and even some flexure, but don't go overboard. If you are working with the MB in the case, make sure you installed all the case/MB standoffs correctly so the board is properly supported. If you work with the MB out of the case, make sure the MB is on a hard flat surface.

Here's a good overview of CPU and HSF installation for LGA775 setups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NbPMQgwPM
Again, I have never done this myself and this guy makes pushing the pins in look easy, but I have heard of difficulty from numerous people.

Also, don't forget, if you do decide to remove the HSF and try again, you will have to clean and reapply a thermal compound. Its not a good idea to try to reuse the compound from a previous install. I learned this the hard way the first time I ever took my HSF off to give it a good dusting and then couldn't figure out why my comp kept shutting off during boot up (Thank you thermal protection!).

-Tim

 

[myocardia]

Obiwan, you do not need to remove your heatsink, but you will definitely have to remove your motherboard from the case. Then, after removing the motherboard from the case, put one hand on the "blank" spot that's directly behind the CPU, and start pushing with the other hand on each of the heatsink pins. The first time a heatsink is installed on your average LGA775 board, the pins require 30+ pounds of pressure, to fully seat. Each time you install a heatsink, they require less pressure to fully seat, so after about the third heatsink, it becomes possible to install one without removing the motherboard. Good luck.

 

[Mondoman]

obi, this post may help: http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...part-assembly#t1184072

 

[Martimus]

I had the same probelm when I installed my X2. It turned out that I just used too much TIM. Here is a guide I wrote based on that experience for installing the proper way: Guide for the proper application of Thermal Paste

 

[obiwan168]

Thanks for the info guys... I'll try to re-install the heat sink today.
But first I got to go get some thermal sludge...

*Sigh*

 

[obiwan168]

Update: My PC now starts up (and the CPU runs at much lower temperatures of 40ish degrees) but now I am getting random Blue Screens of death.

These BSODs are all different too.

So far I've gotten:

"Bugcode_USB_Driver" 0x000000FE


Error: "0X000000C5"

and

"IRQL_Not_less_or_equal"

"0X0000000A"

Help please!

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Sounds ram related

Here are a few things to try
1. Remove all but one stick of ram
2. Make sure you have the latest bios for your motherboard
3. Check the ram settings in bios closely, maybe the board is setting the voltage to low for your sticks or the timings aren't set right
4. Download Memtest and use it to check your ram.

 

[obiwan168]

I removed one stick of RAM, and my PC seems like it's running perfectly fine now.
So does this mean I have a faulty stick of RAM?
Should I send it back to Newegg asking for replacement?

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: obiwan168
I removed one stick of RAM, and my PC seems like it's running perfectly fine now.
So does this mean I have a faulty stick of RAM?
Should I send it back to Newegg asking for replacement?

I would first run memtest on the stick that seems to be working well to make certain it is good. Then swap it with the other stick and test it. When testing, it's probably best to let all the tests cycle through several times (6-24 hours).

It is also possible that a memory slot on your MB is bad as well. Although that is less likely than the RAM stick being bad, it does happen.

Also, don't forget to check GuitarDaddy's recommendations as well. Memtest won't tell you why a stick is failing and a physically damaged chip will fail in the same way as one that simply isn't getting its required power from the MB. I'm not sure which RAM you went with since your system build post showed Corsair XMS2 (2x1GB), but your previous post listed "Corsair 4gb (2x2gb) DDR2 800". If, for instance, you simply stepped up to the 2x2GB version of your previous selection, then these chips may not work properly on 1.8V, and, if your board doesn't auto detect this, you will have to manually set the vdimm higher.

 

[obiwan168]

I'm running 2x2GB.
It is set at 1.9 volts, 5-5-5-18 timings.

I tested the "broken" stick of ram in a non-dual channel slot, and it still doesn't work. I tested the working stick of ram with Memtest for approximately 1 hour with out problems, I will test it more later.

 

[Drsignguy]

Originally posted by: obiwan168
I'm running 2x2GB.
It is set at 1.9 volts, 5-5-5-18 timings.

I tested the "broken" stick of ram in a non-dual channel slot, and it still doesn't work. I tested the working stick of ram with Memtest for approximately 1 hour with out problems, I will test it more later.

Based on your information and the link that polymerTim just posted, If I am not mistaken, the corsair you are describing, has the timings and the volt settings printed right on the heatsinks.

 

[obiwan168]

Yeah, it does. I am following what's printed on there directly:

1.9 volts.

5-5-5-18 timing.

I contacted Corsair asking for replacement, though their offices are closed right now...

 

[Drsignguy]

Originally posted by: obiwan168
Yeah, it does. I am following what's printed on there directly:

1.9 volts.

5-5-5-18 timing.

I contacted Corsair asking for replacement, though their offices are closed right now...

Isn't that a bummer? Would be nice to see 24/7 service and with a bonus! Like "Sorry for you to have these problems that have hindered you in your quests" So, for your troubles, we will send you 3 to make up for it! There Done! Oh ya, here is a coupon for a free Dairy Queen Blizzard! <----yum

 

[obiwan168]

Lol...
Well at least they have a good return policy it's better than the people that say:

"Oh, were sorry our product has broken. Oh, no were very sorry but we can't send you a replacement, how about this coupon for a free Dairy Queen Blizzard instead. Have a nice day."

 

[Drsignguy]

Ya well at least you are getting it replaced. Good job BTW!

 

[PolymerTim]

Glad you got that figured out. I hope everything else goes smoothly in your build!