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Ichinisan

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Please quote my post where I said HIV was "running rampant."

Here:
So its ok to allocate time for once common childhood diseases, while diseases like HIV run rampant?

I remember hearing about HIV sometime around 1985. 27 years later, and we still do not have a vaccine?

But during that time scientist developed vaccines for HPV and chicken pox?

How much further could we be in Hep C research if scientist would have taken the time, money and effort they put into HPV and Chicken Pox and put it into Hep C research?

We only have X amount of work hours in a year. Why divide that time between diseases that cause few health issues?
 

Capt Caveman

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Please quote my post where I said HIV was "running rampant."

You're a shitty troll. Post #22

So its ok to allocate time for once common childhood diseases, while diseases like HIV run rampant?

I remember hearing about HIV sometime around 1985. 27 years later, and we still do not have a vaccine?

But during that time scientist developed vaccines for HPV and chicken pox?

How much further could we be in Hep C research if scientist would have taken the time, money and effort they put into HPV and Chicken Pox and put it into Hep C research?

We only have X amount of work hours in a year. Why divide that time between diseases that cause few health issues?
 

Fausto

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Texashiker is not even good at trolling.

He's not trolling. He's a full-on tinfoil hat guy who thinks the sky is always on the verge of falling. He thinks that vaccines either don't work or that "the gubment" is keeping the good ones under wraps for their own nefarious interests.
 

Juddog

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I don't get how Texashiker can continue to argue with such an incredible amount of ignorance. It's the equivalent of me going into a hangar where they are building a Boeing 747 and telling the mechanics that flying is impossible, and then hanging around for two hours insisting that they (the entire hangar full of mechanics) were all completely wrong.

This level of ignorance is simply staggering.
 

Ichinisan

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I don't get how Texashiker can continue to argue with such an incredible amount of ignorance. It's the equivalent of me going into a hangar where they are building a Boeing 747 and telling the mechanics that flying is impossible, and then hanging around for two hours insisting that they (the entire hangar full of mechanics) were all completely wrong.

This level of ignorance is simply staggering.

Careful. You know what they say about analogies.
 

Capt Caveman

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I don't get how Texashiker can continue to argue with such an incredible amount of ignorance. It's the equivalent of me going into a hangar where they are building a Boeing 747 and telling the mechanics that flying is impossible, and then hanging around for two hours insisting that they (the entire hangar full of mechanics) were all completely wrong.

This level of ignorance is simply staggering.

He's either a troll, retard or retarded troll. B/c a little google research would shut him up about Hep C research, treatments and new drugs.
 

Texashiker

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He's not trolling. He's a full-on tinfoil hat guy who thinks the sky is always on the verge of falling. He thinks that vaccines either don't work or that "the gubment" is keeping the good ones under wraps for their own nefarious interests.

That is simply not true.



I don't get how Texashiker can continue to argue with such an incredible amount of ignorance.

Are you referring to me asking why we do not have a vaccine for Hep C and HIV yet?

If so, you are thinking small.

Lets take this statement.

Biology simply does not work like your factory or cubicle job. it can't be portioned out as time = result.

Advances in mankind can be somewhat charted. Over the past 200 years we went from the steam engine to working on a mission to Mars.

Every X under of decades, every X number of centuries mankind makes certain advances in technology. Its been this way since the bronze and iron ages.

If we took medicine and charted it to other technological advancements, when can we expect to find a cure for HIV or Hep C? Will it be in 2014, 2016, 2020,,,,. Surely the rate that medicine advances can be charitable, like other technology. Though medicine might advance slower then other fields, we do make advancements every X number of years.

Why dont we have a vaccine for Hep c and HIV? Because we lack the technology to develop said vaccine.

If technology advances at a predictable rate, when can we expect to have the technology to develop the vaccines?
 
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Ichinisan

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That is simply not true.





Are you referring to me asking why we do not have a vaccine for Hep C and HIV yet?

If so, you are thinking small.

Lets take this statement.



Advances in mankind can be somewhat charted. Over the past 200 years we went from the steam engine to working on a mission to Mars.

Every X under of decades, every X number of centuries mankind makes certain advances in technology. Its been this way since the bronze and iron ages.

If we took medicine and charted it to other technological advancements, when can we expect to find a cure for HIV or Hep C? Will it be in 2014, 2016, 2020,,,,. Surely the rate that medicine advances can be charitable, like other technology. Though medicine might advance slower then other fields, we do make advancements every X number of years.


It's not like a Saturday morning cartoon. You can't just assume there is "a cure" or "an antidote" for everything. We have an effective treatment that is a sometimes-cure. Maybe that's all we'll ever have? I don't know.

By your argument, why don't we have FTL travel yet? All the other scientific advancements we've made, why are we ignoring this one? Why don't we just forget Mars and devote all resources to this? It will allow enable much quicker transport to anywhere we want to go...including Mars.

On second thought, fuck FTL travel. Time travel.
 
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DCal430

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We have vaccines for all kinds of stuff like measles, mumps, polio, small pox, chicken pox,,,,,. Some of those are killers and life changers, some are common childhood diseases.

Here is an interesting article from 2003, which was before the chicken pox vaccine was approved.

http://www.all.org/article/index/id/MjUyNg

Death rate of chicken pox is 0.0023%.

Go to the last paragraph, and I paraphrase "scientist developed the chicken pox vaccine so parents will not be inconvenienced with sick children."

Why couldn't we take the time and effort developing vaccines for common childhood diseases, and put that money, effort and time into something worthwhile, such as a vaccine for HIV or Hepatitis C?

Another example - Hand, foot, mouth disease killed 156 children in Vietnam during 2011, and we have no vaccine for it

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health...mouth-disease-kills-156-in-Vietnam/52008354/1

Society has 3 serious health issues on its hands - Cancer, Hep C and HIV.

Why not work on the diseases that kill people, instead of diseases that are mostly an inconvenience?


The chicken pox vacccine is the same vaccine as the shingles vaccine. Shingles can cause permanent blindness, deafness, and paralysis. It also causes debilitating neuralgia.
 
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Fausto

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Texashiker said:
That is simply not true.

Oh for fuck's sake. You live out in the middle of nowhere with half your net worth tied up in guns and ammo. You run a big forum for other paranoid people and you have uploaded 428 youtube vids dedicated to "survivalism". If that's not tinfoil-hat-worthy, I don't know what is.
 

shortylickens

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Who would have thought a bunch of virgins could get all bent out of shape over hepatitis and AIDS?
 

Texashiker

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It's not like a Saturday morning cartoon. You can't just assume there is "a cure" or "an antidote" for everything. We have an effective treatment that is a sometimes-cure. Maybe that's all we'll ever have? I don't know.

I feel that mankind is only limited by the technology we have at the time.

Unless we destroy our race through nuclear war, or some kind of new disease kills us off, one day we will have a cure for viral infections.
 

Ichinisan

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I feel that mankind is only limited by the technology we have at the time.

Unless we destroy our race through nuclear war, or some kind of new disease kills us off, one day we will have a cure for viral infections.

We don't know if the time for a Hep C / HIV "perfect cure" is 1,000,000 years from now (or, possibly, never...but you don't believe that). You seem to think the time for a perfect cure was yesterday.


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one day we will have a cure for viral infections.
Again: There are lots of cures for specific viral infections. The very first vaccine cured and prevented rabies.
 
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Bignate603

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Why couldn't we take the time and effort developing vaccines for common childhood diseases, and put that money, effort and time into something worthwhile, such as a vaccine for HIV or Hepatitis C?


Vaccine discovered for Hep C

The article was published today, just in time to own Texashiker in this thread. Apparently he's such a troll that the universe conspires to prove him wrong.
 

Ichinisan

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Vaccine discovered for Hep C

The article was published today, just in time to own Texashiker in this thread. Apparently he's such a troll that the universe conspires to prove him wrong.



Houghton, also the Li Ka Shing Chair in Virology at the University of Alberta, says the vaccine, developed from a single strain, has shown to be effective against all known strains of the virus.

:thumbsup:
 

Texashiker

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You seem to think the time for a perfect cure was yesterday.

Back around 2001, 2002 and 2003 I was donating CPU time to a distributed computing project to find a cure for small pox. The program was through United Devices, which from what I understand is no longer around.

At the end of the small pox project, it was reported that users had contributed a total of something like 250,000 years worth of computing time. 250,000 years worth of computing time to look for a cure for a virus, that is a lot of time.

In comparison to human evolution, why cant computers figure out a cure for a virus with 250,000 years?

Fast forward 10 years to 2012, with new CPUs and the massive amount of distributed computing we have today, why can't we find a cure for viral infections?
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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Back around 2001, 2002 and 2003 I was donating CPU time to a distributed computing project to find a cure for small pox. The program was through United Devices, which from what I understand is no longer around.

At the end of the small pox project, it was reported that users had contributed a total of something like 250,000 years worth of computing time. 250,000 years worth of computing time to look for a cure for a virus, that is a lot of time.

In comparison to human evolution, why cant computers figure out a cure for a virus with 250,000 years?

Fast forward 10 years to 2012, with new CPUs and the massive amount of distributed computing we have today, why can't we find a cure for viral infections?
Still based on the assumption that there *is* a cure for every viral infection.

...and the "years" of computing time doesn't really mean anything. A "year" is based on the project's computing power from some specific, arbitrary year. It's well-known that computational power has been multiplying over time.
 
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Capt Caveman

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Back around 2001, 2002 and 2003 I was donating CPU time to a distributed computing project to find a cure for small pox. The program was through United Devices, which from what I understand is no longer around.

At the end of the small pox project, it was reported that users had contributed a total of something like 250,000 years worth of computing time. 250,000 years worth of computing time to look for a cure for a virus, that is a lot of time.

In comparison to human evolution, why cant computers figure out a cure for a virus with 250,000 years?

Fast forward 10 years to 2012, with new CPUs and the massive amount of distributed computing we have today, why can't we find a cure for viral infections?

Huh? The last case of small pox was in 1978 which was an accident.
 
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