Hepatitis C Surpasses AIDS

[Ichinisan]

Back around 2001, 2002 and 2003 I was donating CPU time to a distributed computing project to find a cure for small pox. The program was through United Devices, which from what I understand is no longer around.

At the end of the small pox project, it was reported that users had contributed a total of something like 250,000 years worth of computing time. 250,000 years worth of computing time to look for a cure for a virus, that is a lot of time.

In comparison to human evolution, why cant computers figure out a cure for a virus with 250,000 years?

Fast forward 10 years to 2012, with new CPUs and the massive amount of distributed computing we have today, why can't we find a cure for viral infections?

Huh? The last case of small pox was in 1978 which was an accident.

LOL!

Texashiker himself was the one talking about wasting resources. He spent precious time trying to develop a cure for a disease that's extinct in nature.

 

[Texashiker]

Still based on the assumption that there *is* a cure.

To say there is no cure is to put a limit on mankind.

We will never fly
We will never walk on the moon
We will never land on another planet

We are only limited by our imagination, and our technology at the time

 

[Capt Caveman]

LOL!

Texashiker himself was the one talking about wasting resources. He spend time developing a cure for a disease that's extinct in nature.

He's trolling us hard.

 

[Bignate603]

Back around 2001, 2002 and 2003 I was donating CPU time to a distributed computing project to find a cure for small pox. The program was through United Devices, which from what I understand is no longer around.

At the end of the small pox project, it was reported that users had contributed a total of something like 250,000 years worth of computing time. 250,000 years worth of computing time to look for a cure for a virus, that is a lot of time.

In comparison to human evolution, why cant computers figure out a cure for a virus with 250,000 years?

Fast forward 10 years to 2012, with new CPUs and the massive amount of distributed computing we have today, why can't we find a cure for viral infections?

Umm... there is a cure for smallpox. It's called the smallpox vaccine and they figured it out before 1800.

Also, you can't write a program to solve a problem that you don't know enough about. You can only use massive distributed computing when you think you have all the puzzle pieces and just don't know how to put them all together. You use the computers to try different ways of putting stuff together, over and over again, hoping that eventually it will come up with a combination that works. If you don't think you have all the pieces of the puzzle that approach won't work.

 

[Ichinisan]

To say there is no cure is to put a limit on mankind.

We will never fly
We will never walk on the moon
We will never land on another planet

We are only limited by our imagination, and our technology at the time

Conveniently ignore the point that you don't know when or if a "cure" for a specific virus will be found. Just let everyone die from those potentially-curable diseases while we work exclusively on this difficult one...for 1,000,000 years (or 10m if it takes that long).

Why don't you just dedicate all resources to time travel so you can cure any disease by going back to the point it was contracted and preventing it from happening? Time travel would be the ultimate cure-all. Stop working on ANYTHING ELSE.

 

[DrPizza]

Perhaps I can educate the fool,

Fool, have you not considered that in developing vaccines for other maladies, that perhaps something new would be learned along the way - something which may actually contribute to the necessary knowledge to reach a cure for HIV or Hep C?

To go back to the house building analogy, maybe a civilization needs to build a few houses before attempting to tackle something like a skyscraper.

 

[Texashiker]

Umm... there is a cure for smallpox. It's called the smallpox vaccine and they figured it out before 1800.

A vaccine is not a cure.

 

[Ichinisan]

A vaccine is not a cure.

*facepalm

Unreasonable expectations. He wants a pill that magically cures viral illness. It's not a cure unless it's a magic pill that makes you all better.

 

[Texashiker]

*facepalm

Unreasonable expectations. He wants a pill that magically cures viral illness. It's not a cure unless it's a magic pill that makes you all better.

Since when is a vaccine a cure?

Scientist are working on some vaccines that are supposed to make the immune system attack cancer.

Take someone that test positive for Hep B surface antigen, giving them the Hep B vaccine is not going to cure them.

 

[Ichinisan]

Since when is a vaccine a cure?

Since the first vaccination was developed. A boy had been mauled by a rabid dog. Thoroughly exposed to the uninhibited virus.

Scientist are working on some vaccines that are supposed to make the immune system attack cancer.

Take someone that test positive for Hep B surface antigen, giving them the Hep B vaccine is not going to cure them.

I don't think that's technically a "vaccine." Cancer isn't a specific thing. It's any genetic mutation that causes your own body's cells to reproduce uncontrollably. There are many kinds of cancer, mostly identified by which type of cell in your body starts reproducing uncontrollably.

How will your antibodies identify a cancerous cell? Instantly audit the DNA of every cell in your body for trillions of possible mutations and combinations of mutations that could result in abnormal reproduction?

 

[Texashiker]

Since the first vaccination was developed.

<facepalm>

If it was that simple, lets line people up that have hep A and hep B, give them the vaccine and cure them.

Vaccine is not a cure.

I don't think that's technically a "vaccine." Cancer isn't a specific thing. It's any genetic mutation that causes your own body's cells to reproduce uncontrollably.

Scientist are working on a vaccine that triggers immune cells to attack Pancreatic Cancer.

Related link - http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimm...cer/treatments/pancreatic_cancer_vaccine.html

Currently being tested in clinical trials

 

[Ichinisan]

<facepalm>

If it was that simple, lets line people up that have hep A and hep B, give them the vaccine and cure them.

Vaccine is not a cure.

I never implied that it was *always* that simple. You're the one who says all cures for every disease should be simple and perfect.

 

[DrPizza]

Since when is a vaccine a cure?

Scientist are working on some vaccines that are supposed to make the immune system attack cancer.

Take someone that test positive for Hep B surface antigen, giving them the Hep B vaccine is not going to cure them.

Huh, wha?! Are you aware that sentence #2 contradicts sentence number 1?

 

[Texashiker]

Huh, wha?! Are you aware that sentence #2 contradicts sentence number 1?

Yep, I realize that. Did you read the article I linked to?

Instead of trying to find a cure for stuff like Pancreatic Cancer, there seems to be a new direction of activating the persons immune system to attack the cancer cells.

Before long, the line between vaccines and treatments might become blurred.

 

[Nebor]

A vaccine is not a cure.

You realize small pox doesn't exist anymore, right? Isn't that like, better than a cure?

 

[Bignate603]

Huh, wha?! Are you aware that sentence #2 contradicts sentence number 1?

I don't think he can keep a single train of thought together long enough to make it through a post.

 

[Texashiker]

I don't think he can keep a single train of thought together long enough to make it through a post.

Did you read the article I linked to about Pancreatic Cancer?

Current wisdom says a vaccine can not cure an already established infection.

There is work being done in Pancreatic Cancer to activate certain immune cells that would attack the cancer. This could blur the line between vaccines and treatments.

 

[Bignate603]

Did you read the article I linked to about Pancreatic Cancer?

Current wisdom says a vaccine can not cure an already established infection.

There is work being done in Pancreatic Cancer to activate certain immune cells that would attack the cancer. This could blur the line between vaccines and treatments.

Sorry, but that has not been "current wisdom" for more than 100 years. As Ichinisan has said, the rabies vaccine's first use was to cure a boy that had already been mauled by a rabid dog. They did that back in 1885.

 

[Texashiker]

Sorry, but that has not been "current wisdom" for more than 100 years. As Ichinisan has said, the rabies vaccine's first use was to cure a boy that had already been mauled by a rabid dog. They did that back in 1885.

You and Ichinisan are wrong.

Maybe yall need to take a basic biologically class, or take some kind of class so yall can get a basic grasp of how vaccines work.

From the time of exposure, there is a small window where a vaccine can be given to negate infection.

With tetanus, its something like 48 hours from the time of infection.

Look up Hepatitis B Immunoglobulin Post-exposure Prophylaxis when you get some free time.

Here is a link to help start your education - http://www.healthier.qld.gov.au/conditions-treatments/post-exposure-prophylaxis-hiv-0

 

[Ichinisan]

You and Ichinisan are wrong.

Maybe yall need to take a basic biologically class, or take some kind of class so yall can get a basic grasp of how vaccines work.

From the time of exposure, there is a small window where a vaccine can be given to negate infection.

With tetanus, its something like 48 hours from the time of infection.

Look up Hepatitis B Immunoglobulin Post-exposure Prophylaxis when you get some free time.

I understand that. But you have been saying that Hep C and HIV should have cures, yet your expectation of a "real cure" is not reasonable.

You criticized the development of other vaccines while HIV/HepC are not cured, then you imply that people shouldn't bother working on vaccines at all because they aren't perfect cures. You seem to think we should be working on "the real cure" instead. History just doesn't have many "real cures" that meet your requirement. Yet, you think absolutely everything should not only be "curable," you think they should have already been cured.

 

[Texashiker]

But you are saying that Hep C and HIV should have a cure, yet your expectation of a "real cure" is not reasonable.

Why aren't my exceptions reasonable?

2,000 years ago someone didn't ask why the metal was weak? Why couldn't the soldiers have stronger swords.

During the civil war, nobody asked if there was a better rifle then a muzzle loader?

When cars and trucks were invited, nobody asked if there was a way to improve gas mileage?

And I am asking why we do not have a cure for HIV and Hep c.

100 years from now, people will look back and think about how bad we must have suffered from viral infections. Just like we look back and wonder how people made it without antibiotics.

 

[Bignate603]

I understand that. But you have been saying that Hep C and HIV should have cures, yet your expectation of a "real cure" is not reasonable.

You criticized the development of other vaccines while HIV/HepC are not cured, then you imply that people shouldn't bother working on vaccines at all because they aren't perfect cures. You seem to think we should be working on "the real cure" instead. We just don't have many "real cures" that meet your requirement. Yet, you think absolutely everything should not only be "curable," you think they should have already been cured.

He keeps on changing what he wants when someone proves that his current argument is flawed. He's trolling.

 

[Ichinisan]

Why aren't my exceptions reasonable?

Maybe:

Vaccine is not a cure.

Also, you dedicated resources to attempt to "cure" a disease that no longer exists in nature, but you don't think we should spend any amount of effort to develop vaccines for anything less-deadly than than HepC and HIV.

 

[Bignate603]

Why aren't my exceptions reasonable?

2,000 years ago someone didn't ask why the metal was weak? Why couldn't the soldiers have stronger swords.

During the civil war, nobody asked if there was a better rifle then a muzzle loader?

When cars and trucks were invited, nobody asked if there was a way to improve gas mileage?

And I am asking why we do not have a cure for HIV and Hep c.

100 years from now, people will look back and think about how bad we must have suffered from viral infections. Just like we look back and wonder how people made it without antibiotics.

Then get off your butt and do something about it yourself. If you want the research to be done figure out who's doing it and donate. Don't sit here whining about how "they" should take care of it. There is no magical "they" who fix things that need fixing.

 

[SagaLore]

Yup, you REALLY need to go to college.

My bio professor was a molecular biologist who spent plenty of time in crime labs, government institutions, and worked with several food and medicine corporations. I bet he could set you straight.

Go to school, seriously. I'm not kidding. Just take some basic health and bio classes, you dont need a degree.

No he just needs to stop posting replies to topics he knows nothing about.