Hepatitis C Surpasses AIDS

[bobdole369]

So its ok to allocate time for once common childhood diseases, while diseases like HIV run rampant?

I remember hearing about HIV sometime around 1985. 27 years later, and we still do not have a vaccine?

But during that time scientist developed vaccines for HPV and chicken pox?

How much further could we be in Hep C research if scientist would have taken the time, money and effort they put into HPV and Chicken Pox and put it into Hep C research?

We only have X amount of work hours in a year. Why divide that time between diseases that cause few health issues?

Go to the last paragraph, and I paraphrase "scientist developed the chicken pox vaccine so parents will not be inconvenienced with sick children."

Hmmm - chicken pox virus was invented to eradicate the disease, which often causes shingles later in life. Kids can and do die from chicken pox. Of course smallpox was much more serious, but chickenpox is a big problem all its own. Lots of people who are older do not recover and die as well.

To say that chicken pox, HPV, Herpes Valtrex, etc. are not necessary to get cures or tratments, and all the time should be spent on HepC and AIDS is an incredibly short-sighted and ignorant position.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Who says it cant?

Reality.

 

[Texashiker]

Reality.

Prove it.

I like to ask the questions I was taught not to ask.

Someone tells you this is the way it is, the only way to advance is to doubt what you have been told. If we blindly accept things as fact, we would still be in the middle ages.

 

[zinfamous]

Who says it cant?

Have you ever worked in research, in Biology?

I've been a molecular biologist for almost 10 years now.

I say it can't.

 

[zinfamous]

Prove it.

what the fuck.

 

[Texashiker]

I've been a molecular biologist for almost 10 years now.

I say it can't.

I do accept your opinion as fact.

 

[Gibsons]

Have you ever worked in research, in Biology?

I've been a molecular biologist for almost 10 years now.

I say it can't.

A little longer here, and I agree.

Reason being one thing builds on another. You can put 1,000 people to work on a house, but the foundation has to be laid first, then the frame, etc.

also
http://www.hcvadvocate.org/hepatitis/hepC/HCVDrugs_2012.pdf

 

[zinfamous]

I do accept your opinion as fact.

the simplest explanation, that should hopefully suffice--is that you are working with living models.

designing and putting together a gadget out of objects that act in the way they are designed, is, basically, predictable.

living models don't tend to "act" the way you always expect them to--even after it is well known that they ahve "acted" in very specific ways before. Things get exponentially more complicated when working at the molecular level.

It might sound simple on the outside, but simply going from one virus to another virus can involves a separate field.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Looks like that summer of love for the Babyboomers is coming back to haunt them.

 

[Texashiker]

Reason being one thing builds on another. You can put 1,000 people to work on a house, but the foundation has to be laid first, then the frame, etc.

I am not trying to pick a fight, I just have questions that I want to ask.

You compared the research field to building a house. First you lay the plumbing, pour the slab, build the frames,,,.

Can't you have people working on the walls at the same time people are working on the slab?

If we knew about Hep C back in the 1970s, why dont we have vaccines and better treatments 30+ years later?

Why does it seem that medicine creeps along at a snails pace, when other technology advances by leaps and bounds.

<reviewing Hep C cases in the NEDSS as I type this>

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

So 1 in 33 are heroin addicts. I am not surprised.

 

[Hugo Drax]

So 1 in 33 are heroin addicts. I am not surprised.

Babyboomers was a fucked up generation. Why do you think the US is in the shape it is today.

 

[zinfamous]

I am not trying to pick a fight, I just have questions that I want to ask.

You compared the research field to building a house. First you lay the plumbing, pour the slab, build the frames,,,.

Can't you have people working on the walls at the same time people are working on the slab?

well, that is happening, all the time. the problem is that you may not have the proper slab to hold the frame--it is made of a different material that before starting, no one really knew it was incompatible, or how it actually works.

Researchers spend years and decades on solving rather specific problems, that may never pan out because initial knowledge on the subject is thin, at best. different animals have different model systems that aren't always compatible to others.

When building a house, everything is there. You know what you're doing, and you know exactly how it will end up. You know how long it takes to finish with x number of people swinging hammers and driving nails.

Biology is nothing like that.

 

[Texashiker]

well, that is happening, all the time.

<snip>

Biology is nothing like that.

Thank you

 

[Gibsons]

well, that is happening, all the time. the problem is that you may not have the proper slab to hold the frame--it is made of a different material that before starting, no one really knew it was incompatible, or how it actually works.

Researchers spend years and decades on solving rather specific problems, that may never pan out because initial knowledge on the subject is thin, at best. different animals have different model systems that aren't always compatible to others.

When building a house, everything is there. You know what you're doing, and you know exactly how it will end up. You know how long it takes to finish with x number of people swinging hammers and driving nails.

Biology is nothing like that.

Yes, this is the danger with trying to explain through analogies.

Imagine the guys are building a wall, like all the walls they've built before - but then find the foundation is made from uneven particle board and earwax instead of the smooth concrete they were expecting. The conventional wall isn't going to work now. Even though it worked great the last 10 times. The roofers, plumbers and electricians might all be in for a surprise too.

 

[Texashiker]

We have known about this Hep C issue for a long time. By the looks of things, the baby boomer generation is going to die off before anything is going to make it to market.

Sure we have some treatments for Hep C, but they are not effective on everyone, then there are the terrible side effects being reported.

We have treatments like Interferon, but how well can an aging population tolerate the side effects.

 

[Squisher]

We have treatments like Interferon, but how well can an aging population tolerate the side effects.

Before the Riboviron cocktail 50% of people did not respond to Interferon, of those that did respond their Hep C levels returned immediately after stopping the 6 month treatment of Interferon those that didn't regress immediately after a year half of those regressed. So, as I said earlier 15 years ago before the advent of Riboviron only 12% were considered cured by Interferon. When you looked up Hep C 15 years ago it was pretty much a death sentence.

 

[Ichinisan]

Texashiker: You don't need a vaccine for HIV. It's 100% preventable with a condom. Also, it's human immuno-deficiency virus. It specifically targets and impairs the immune system. Maybe that makes it a bit more difficult to develop a vaccine, don't you think?

I guarantee you that far, far, FAR more resources have been dedicated to the development of an HIV vaccine than chicken pox. The chicken pox vaccine attempts worked. The HIV vaccine attempts did not.

Simple as that.

 

[Ichinisan]

Why dont we have a cure for viral infections?

We do. It's called a "vaccine." The very first vaccine cured or prevented rabies, a VIRAL disease.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yes, this is the danger with trying to explain through analogies.

...

An "analogy" is analagous to a "vaginalogy."

 

[Ichinisan]

I've got Herp Derp

Is that bad?

 

[Ichinisan]

If we knew about Hep C back in the 1970s, why dont we have vaccines and better treatments 30+ years later?

It has been well-established that we do have "better treatments 30+ years later."

 

[Texashiker]

Texashiker: You don't need a vaccine for HIV. It's 100% preventable with a condom.

Tell that to the hemophiliacs who contracted HIV through blood transfusions.

 

[Ichinisan]

Tell that to the hemophiliacs who contracted HIV through blood transfusions.

I'm sure that's still happening constantly. They test blood now.

 

[Texashiker]

I'm sure that's still happening constantly. They test blood now.

Your excuse has as many holes as a screen door on a submarine.

Hospital employee was reusing unclean syringes - http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-03/...e-parker-contagious-liver-disease?_s=PM:CRIME

There maybe hundreds of other examples out there.