Here comes Propus

[sandorski]

Been looking for what to Upgrade to from my current Socket 939 X2 3800. Phenom 2 X4 had my eye, but for less than half the Cost these Athlon 2s pretty much buy the DDR3 4gb I'd like, so it seems a no brainer.

 

[Jesusthewererabbit]

I guess I should have been more specific. I AM getting a new motherboard. I AM getting a new processor. I was thinking about going with the 955, but it's way overkill for what I need. The 620 will make my life much more pleasant as I'm encoding my dvd collection, and that's really all I need it for. I don't need cutting edge, but $100 quad is hard to pass up.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well now that these chips are out, has anyone tried overclocking on their own? Got any info on NB overclocks?

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Well now that these chips are out, has anyone tried overclocking on their own? Got any info on NB overclocks?

I have one on order. i'll let you know when it gets here.

 

[Jesusthewererabbit]

As will I.

 

[MODEL3]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c..._Windows_7_Launch.html

AMD to Align Release of New Triple-Core Athlon II Chips with Windows 7 Launch

The first triple-core Athlon II X3 processors will be models 425 and 435, which will function at 2.70GHz and 2.80GHz, respectively. The central processing units will feature 1.5MB of cache (512KB per core), will have thermal design power of 95W and will be compatible with AM2+ and AM3+ infrastructure. AMD will also energy-efficient triple-core microprocessors ? models 400e and 405e ? with thermal design power of 45W

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: MODEL3

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c..._Windows_7_Launch.html

and

In addition to triple-core chips, AMD will also broaden the lineup of its low-power (45W) desktop offerings with Athlon II X2 235e and 240e as well as Athlon II X4 600e and 605e central processing units.

The 605e is what I'm waiting to see. Hell, I might change my daughter's BE2400 processor out for one of those and then give her my old Conroe E6300 PC, lol!

 

[konakona]

someone's gotta have a review article on this soon enough if not already, with gaming performance on OCd NB and all.

 

[alyarb]

the overclocking seems to be generally pretty poor, we'll have to see what the deal is with the 605e. i think i would rather go with a phenom ii 550 and risk the unlock. The unlock failure rate really seems to be improving as time goes on. the first page of newegg reviews counts 37 successful unlocks and 11 failed unlocks. i didn't feel like checking out the other 2 pages but i think that's a risk i can take. another common case is 3.8 Ghz at 1.5v, and the athlons aren't showing us that.

and check out this combo.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?ItemList=Combo.254101

 

[DrMrLordX]

Double post!

 

[bfdd]

This could be nice teamed up with one of the AMD boards with some good onboard graphics as a second PC for light gaming or HTPC.... I can dig this.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

I have one on order. i'll let you know when it gets here.

Originally posted by: Jesusthewererabbit
As will I.

Sounds good. NB overclocking on Propus may not matter if they can't get past 3.2-3.3 ghz core speeds but we'll just have to wait and see what people are getting in the wild. The fact that native Propus cores and crippled Deneb cores are both being sold under the 620/630 monicker certainly doesn't help things.[/quote]

Originally posted by: konakona
someone's gotta have a review article on this soon enough if not already, with gaming performance on OCd NB and all.

You think there would be, but I haven't seen any reports on NB overclocking specifically yet. I may not be looking hard enough.

Originally posted by: alyarb
the overclocking seems to be generally pretty poor, we'll have to see what the deal is with the 605e. i think i would rather go with a phenom ii 550 and risk the unlock. The unlock failure rate really seems to be improving as time goes on. the first page of newegg reviews counts 37 successful unlocks and 11 failed unlocks. i didn't feel like checking out the other 2 pages but i think that's a risk i can take. another common case is 3.8 Ghz at 1.5v, and the athlon's aren't showing us that.

If Propus continues to hit a wall at around 3.3 ghz, then the unlock may be indeed less risky. It is a bit confusing that the 605e is taking so long to launch since originally that was the first Propus that was meant to hit the market (I think).

 

[Darkrage]

hm 630 up at egg http://www.newegg.com/Product/..._-19-103-704-_-Product for 23 bucks more get 200mhz......

 

[TurtleCrusher]

These quad cores are very exiting. It's nearly the same speed as my Q8200 for half the price, which is an amazing deal. I upgraded from a s939 X2 4200+ and the difference was clearly noticeable.

When people get them in, I'd like to compare some benches. My parents will need a new computer in a year or two. They are running a s939 3500+, and that will be outdated for some things in the coming years. In my next build I'm probably going AMD since they have proven themselves as a very competent CPU company again. I hoped they would after the Phenom 1, and they really have came out in full force with amazing values.

:thumbsup:

 

[drizek]

Originally posted by: MODEL3

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c..._Windows_7_Launch.html

AMD to Align Release of New Triple-Core Athlon II Chips with Windows 7 Launch

The first triple-core Athlon II X3 processors will be models 425 and 435, which will function at 2.70GHz and 2.80GHz, respectively. The central processing units will feature 1.5MB of cache (512KB per core), will have thermal design power of 95W and will be compatible with AM2+ and AM3+ infrastructure. AMD will also energy-efficient triple-core microprocessors ? models 400e and 405e ? with thermal design power of 45W

What is AM3+? A typo?

What do you guys think the 405e will run at? 2.4ghz?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: alyarb
that's because you're using auto gk, and jesusthewererabbit is using a different program that will swallow up the whole CPU.

I can run other stuff as well. Me playing World of Warcraft while running Prime95 and OCCT

LOL. OCCT's priority is set "Lower" and I know Prime 95 doesn't have a high priority when other tasks are running. On a single core processor I would run P95 and play Counter-Strike almost as if P95 wasn't running at all (meaning I had very little performance drop).

Your screenshot demonstrates nothing for the user Jesusthewererabbit. He's using different programs.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: drizek

Originally posted by: MODEL3

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c..._Windows_7_Launch.html

AMD to Align Release of New Triple-Core Athlon II Chips with Windows 7 Launch

The first triple-core Athlon II X3 processors will be models 425 and 435, which will function at 2.70GHz and 2.80GHz, respectively. The central processing units will feature 1.5MB of cache (512KB per core), will have thermal design power of 95W and will be compatible with AM2+ and AM3+ infrastructure. AMD will also energy-efficient triple-core microprocessors ? models 400e and 405e ? with thermal design power of 45W

What is AM3+? A typo?

What do you guys think the 405e will run at? 2.4ghz?

the 605e is going to be 2.3 ghz, so i'd figure the 405e. will be as well.

 

[MODEL3]

Originally posted by: drizek

Originally posted by: MODEL3

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c..._Windows_7_Launch.html

AMD to Align Release of New Triple-Core Athlon II Chips with Windows 7 Launch

The first triple-core Athlon II X3 processors will be models 425 and 435, which will function at 2.70GHz and 2.80GHz, respectively. The central processing units will feature 1.5MB of cache (512KB per core), will have thermal design power of 95W and will be compatible with AM2+ and AM3+ infrastructure. AMD will also energy-efficient triple-core microprocessors ? models 400e and 405e ? with thermal design power of 45W

What is AM3+? A typo?

What do you guys think the 405e will run at? 2.4ghz?

I suppose.

About 405e, according to techreport:

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17327

 

[Fox5]

The Phenom II X3's are looking like a far better price/performance part than these Athlon X4's. Most stuff is only threaded well enough for 2 or 3 cores anyway, and the L3 cache should give the Phenom II a noticable scaling advantage to mostly make up for the loss of one core.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Fox5
The Phenom II X3's are looking like a far better price/performance part than these Athlon X4's. Most stuff is only threaded well enough for 2 or 3 cores anyway, and the L3 cache should give the Phenom II a noticable scaling advantage to mostly make up for the loss of one core.

hmm, Good point. I was so focused on 4 Cores that I didn't even notice the PhII X3s results. Quite impressive in comparison.

 

[drizek]

THe X4 is still cheaper though, and it is better at video encoding if that is your thing. Otherwise, particularly for gaming, the X3 is still better.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: alyarb
that's because you're using auto gk, and jesusthewererabbit is using a different program that will swallow up the whole CPU.

I can run other stuff as well. Me playing World of Warcraft while running Prime95 and OCCT

LOL. OCCT's priority is set "Lower" and I know Prime 95 doesn't have a high priority when other tasks are running. On a single core processor I would run P95 and play Counter-Strike almost as if P95 wasn't running at all (meaning I had very little performance drop).

Your screenshot demonstrates nothing for the user Jesusthewererabbit. He's using different programs.

That's exactly how it's done. Low priority programs are set to low priority and high priority programs are set to above-normal priority (high can sometimes freeze the computer). If you can't encode video and play games at the same time, it means your computer is broken.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: drizek
THe X4 is still cheaper though, and it is better at video encoding if that is your thing. Otherwise, particularly for gaming, the X3 is still better.

It's been 6 years since Encoding a Video for me. So that doesn't matter to me.

 

[drizek]

The only videos I encode are for my Pre, and those take about 3-4 minutes for a half hour clip. At some point, even a chip that is "50% faster" really doesn't make much difference anymore.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: alyarb
that's because you're using auto gk, and jesusthewererabbit is using a different program that will swallow up the whole CPU.

I can run other stuff as well. Me playing World of Warcraft while running Prime95 and OCCT

LOL. OCCT's priority is set "Lower" and I know Prime 95 doesn't have a high priority when other tasks are running. On a single core processor I would run P95 and play Counter-Strike almost as if P95 wasn't running at all (meaning I had very little performance drop).

Your screenshot demonstrates nothing for the user Jesusthewererabbit. He's using different programs.

That's exactly how it's done. Low priority programs are set to low priority and high priority programs are set to above-normal priority (high can sometimes freeze the computer). If you can't encode video and play games at the same time, it means your computer is broken.

You're not thinking this through all the way (i.e. exploring all scenarios). It does not necessarily mean something is "broken". What a poor choice of words.