Here comes Propus

[s0matic]

Just got my CPU yesterday, front of the heatspreader says CADAC, currently stress testing it with OCCT. I paired it with a value mobo (GF8200A) so the overclocking options are limited from the start, but with stock voltage it's failing OCCT at 3.2-3.25-Ghz. I'd try upping the vcore to see how much higher clocks I'll get, but unfortunately I can't on this board.

I'm assuming it'll be stable at around 3.05-3.15Ghz at stock vcore once I do some overnight prime95 testing.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
You're not thinking this through all the way (i.e. exploring all scenarios). It does not necessarily mean something is "broken". What a poor choice of words.

Can you think of even 1 scenario where a program cannot run at the same time as a game and it not be caused by a system failure?

 

[alyarb]

well with a program like core damage or OCCT, you can't really do much when the system is loaded, yet there is no failure.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: alyarb
well with a program like core damage or OCCT, you can't really do much when the system is loaded, yet there is no failure.

Did you look at the picture I posted? I was running OCCT and Prime95 and I still had 60fps in World of Warcraft.

 

[alyarb]

i did look at it, and i see that OCCT is only using 50%. even if warcraft is taking up 20% and P95 is taking the other 30, OCCT shoves a ton more "work" into that "percent." getting 60 fps isn't that big of a deal because OCCT is not first in line on the particular core that warcraft is running on, and OCCT will acquiesce even further when it shares a core with another app.

besides, 100% utilization does not mean the CPU is "fully" loaded. there are a number of scenarios where windows will report inflated CPU utilization when no work is being done, and you certainly aren't going to get more "CPU load" by running two completely different stress-test apps. You've got OCCT doing large FFTs and you have P95 searching for large primes. unless each gets its own core, you're going to run into scheduling conflicts and result in a not-fully-utilized CPU (though not in this case since OCCT constantly "yields"). better to just decide on one program and give it the whole CPU.

give coredamage a try if you want to know what "100% CPU load" is really like. i bet your mouse pointer won't even get 2 FPS.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: alyarb
give coredamage a try if you want to know what "100% CPU load" is really like. i bet your mouse pointer won't even get 2 FPS.

Doesn't seem to change much. I didn't even know the thing was running since it doesn't have a start/stop button like Prime and OCCT. 56FPS in World of Warcraft while running Core Damage

Are you sure your system has enough memory? I know Prime95 blend test will bring a system to a crawl if it doesn't have enough memory. Set prime to use some really high amount of memory and you'll see what I mean.

 

[alyarb]

yeah i have enough memory, coredamage isn't a hog anyway and i don't use p95. i'm just saying a bogged down CPU doesn't imply a hardware failure, it just means that a certain process needs its priority lowered.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: s0matic
Just got my CPU yesterday, front of the heatspreader says CADAC, currently stress testing it with OCCT. I paired it with a value mobo (GF8200A) so the overclocking options are limited from the start, but with stock voltage it's failing OCCT at 3.2-3.25-Ghz. I'd try upping the vcore to see how much higher clocks I'll get, but unfortunately I can't on this board.

I'm assuming it'll be stable at around 3.05-3.15Ghz at stock vcore once I do some overnight prime95 testing.

Not bad, not bad. I'm assuming this means you didn't get a nerfed Deneb core in disguise as a Propus.

Have you tried any NB overclocking yet? Does the board's BIOS support it?

 

[s0matic]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Not bad, not bad. I'm assuming this means you didn't get a nerfed Deneb core in disguise as a Propus.

Have you tried any NB overclocking yet? Does the board's BIOS support it?

Yup from what I've read I probably have a Propus core and not a Deneb.

Unfortunately I haven't touched the NB yet. The BIOS can only increase NB voltage, but not the NB multiplier.

However. it's been awhile since I last overclocked, so I'm currently jumping some hurdles in order to get my RAM stable. Hopefully I'll get through this soon so I can see what I can do to push the CPU more, even though what I can do at this point is probably limited.

 

[Jesusthewererabbit]

I got mine yesterday. Windows 7 is amazing. I swapped out my motherboard for a GA-MA770-UD3, and so far it is working flawlessly without really doing anything except plugging it in and turning it on.

I haven't messed with overclocking yet. At stock, it encodes at almost 3x the FPS my 6000+ does, at the same settings. I haven't had the time to really do anything else with it yet. This weekend I'll try to see what I can get it to do.

 

[waffleironhead]

mine arrived yesterday. I am planning on doing the build tomorrow and will give an update on performance and oc. I received a CADAC which is supposed to be a propus.

I found this list somewhere, not sure if it is accurate.
AADAC = Propus
CADAC = Propus
CACYC = Deneb

 

[Engineer]

Damn, I want one now (but really want the 605e version).

 

[LoneNinja]

Which heat sink are they shipping it with? The good one that my Phenom 9850/Phenom II 940 shipped with or the cheap one that most of AMDs processors ship with?

 

[Jesusthewererabbit]

Originally posted by: LoneNinja
Which heat sink are they shipping it with? The good one that my Phenom 9850/Phenom II 940 shipped with or the cheap one that most of AMDs processors ship with?

The little puny one. It would probably be good enough, but I bought a Hyper TX2 since it was 15 bucks.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: s0matic

Unfortunately I haven't touched the NB yet. The BIOS can only increase NB voltage, but not the NB multiplier.

Really? Interesting. I wonder why they'd let you tweak the voltage but not the multi . . .

However. it's been awhile since I last overclocked, so I'm currently jumping some hurdles in order to get my RAM stable. Hopefully I'll get through this soon so I can see what I can do to push the CPU more, even though what I can do at this point is probably limited.

Good luck to you. Take your time and look for BIOS updates, if any. There might be some software overclocking tools that will give you more options but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
You're not thinking this through all the way (i.e. exploring all scenarios). It does not necessarily mean something is "broken". What a poor choice of words.

Can you think of even 1 scenario where a program cannot run at the same time as a game and it not be caused by a system failure?

Uh, yes. I've been in such a scenario quite often, with dual and single core processors alike. Some programs just hog the CPU. Non-responding or hanging programs are most likely to hog the CPU. Some programs just temporarily hog the CPU.

In some cases you really can't do anything. In other cases you have a wait a long time for tasks to complete. The point is that the system is not failing, at all.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
You're not thinking this through all the way (i.e. exploring all scenarios). It does not necessarily mean something is "broken". What a poor choice of words.

Can you think of even 1 scenario where a program cannot run at the same time as a game and it not be caused by a system failure?

Uh, yes. I've been in such a scenario quite often, with dual and single core processors alike. Some programs just hog the CPU. Non-responding or hanging programs are most likely to hog the CPU. Some programs just temporarily hog the CPU.

In some cases you really can't do anything. In other cases you have a wait a long time for tasks to complete. The point is that the system is not failing, at all.

Can you give an example of how I can test this? So far I've gone up against Prime95, OCCT, AutoGK, and Core Damage, but the system has not lagged for any of them.

 

[frostedflakes]

Set Prime95, OCCT, etc. to high priority in the task manager and watch your system slow to a crawl.

I understand the point you're trying to make about properly allocating system resources (i.e. important programs being set to high priority, and less important ones being set to low), but it also seems like you're trying to make it sound like multicore processors are useless or something. Single core works fine for multitasking if you have process priorities set up properly, but that also means when you're running WoW and Prime95, for example, Prime95 is being slowed down so resources can be allocated to WoW. The advantage of dual core is that you can have Prime95 (or something more practical, video encoding maybe) fully utilizing a single core *and* have WoW running smoothly on the other core. This will speed up encoding as WoW is no longer stealing resources from that process.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Set Prime95, OCCT, etc. to high priority in the task manager and watch your system slow to a crawl.

I understand the point you're trying to make about properly allocating system resources (i.e. important programs being set to high priority, and less important ones being set to low), but it also seems like you're trying to make it sound like multicore processors are useless or something. Single core works fine for multitasking if you have process priorities set up properly, but that also means when you're running WoW and Prime95, for example, Prime95 is being slowed down so resources can be allocated to WoW. The advantage of dual core is that you can have Prime95 (or something more practical, video encoding maybe) fully utilizing a single core *and* have WoW running smoothly on the other core. This will speed up encoding as WoW is no longer stealing resources from that process.

I don't want to say 4,6,8 cores are useless, but I'm trying to point out that background tasks do not lag your priority task. You don't even need to set this stuff; Windows will automatically give priority to what you have selected. Your background stuff like encoding will definitely run slower when resources are being directed to the game, but when a guy at Best Buy says you need a quad core if you want to run 20 tasks at the same time, he's flat out lying.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Ulead Video Studio has done this.

When setting Winfast TV tuner software to high priority when recording on single core systems (all I had at the time), you really can't do anything else. Browsing the web becomes a pain and you can notice the difference. And if you set the priority lower, then the recordings will be choppy during playback.

Have you never come across a bad CD/DVD? The optical drive goes nuts and the system locks up, temporarily. Sometimes you'll get the CRC error. Whatever the case, I've experienced this on single and dual core systems alike and there is really nothing you can do about aside from waiting. And when going to burn a disc, there is always a moment where the system hiccups.

There are some examples, and I know there are more. But we are losing sight of the point I was making. You think his system is broken, and I think it is not. We don't even know all the details about his system, such as what operating system he is even using. You can't come to such a conclusion so abruptly.

 

[Jesusthewererabbit]

You guys are still arguing about this? I'm happy as can be with this upgrade. Encoding is significantly faster, and the old system will be recycled into a secondary system. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. There are no hardware problems. It was just time for an upgrade, and this was the best one for the money.

 

[Schmide]

I received mine on Thursday. Set it up today. I'm playing with a crappy ECS A780GM-M3. I originally had some trouble loading windows with the onboard graphics (not sure if it's a bios thing) Threw in a cheap 4530 and the problems went away. So after loading the OS and drivers off to some overclocking.

The board is kind of limited because it has no voltage control on the CPU. I dropped the HT to 1ghz set the clock to 250fsb (3250) and OCCT quacked at me. Rebooted at 240 (3120) and OCCT seems to be happy. I used an old Ximgatek HDT-D1264 I had lying around so it's getting good enough cooling. The temperatures on these AMD chips are crazy, idle 18c load 34c overclocked, I think not.

Regardless for my secondary machine, I'm quite happy with 3120.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Another nice OC at stock volts. I'd kill to get those kinds of speeds on my Brisbane at stock vcore. Well maybe not kill, but you know what I mean.

Propus is shaping up to be a sweet budget OC, especially when it can hit speeds like that at low HTT speeds and on cheap, de-optioned boards.

 

[Schmide]

Ehh news. I had an error at 3150 so I backed it off to 3050 and it passed an hour. The actual sweet spot is probably somewhere in between.

 

[DrMrLordX]

These things happen. At least you didn't have to back it off by very much.