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bonkers325

Lifer
Mar 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Is Sylar pretty much impossible to kill now that he has the cheerleader's regrowth powers? That was the one thing that Peter had that gave him an edge, now they're both about equal in powers/abilities.

That was the future. That storyline is now dead AFAIK.

unless future sylar kills future peter and gets all his powers and can then time travel. or future peter accidentally time travels while sylar is touching him:Q oh the possibilites!

Peter knows the weakness to the regenerating ability - all he needs to do is incapacitate Sylar by jabbing something into his brain
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: bonkers325
after taking that girl's reality-manipulation power, he could've disguised himself as Nikki and "stabbed" DL from behind

Completely off-topic, but your name looks just like a bonkers I know from i2 >_>. Coincidence?

But if I made myself look like Nikki, I'd be too busy with.. ahem... other things
 
Dec 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: djheater
REading through the last two pages I'm surprised at how people are confused by sylar\peter\claire regeneration thing/

The timeline was not changed. Hiro was wrong all along.
Claire is not dead. Sylar never killed claire, never got regrowth, Hiro thought that if Sylar did not have regeneration, he could kill Sylar before Sylar goes nuke, that's why he comes back and tells Peter to save the cheerleader... but it was never Sylar. It was always Peter.

I agree with everything you said, except ...

Future Hiro specifically says, (in Japanese) "I stabbed him, but he regenerated"

That's what I said.

He regenerated because he was Peter. To borrow your venacular; Future Hiro in the first ep. thought that Sylar had killed Claire and stolen her power, when he blew up, that's how, to Hiro, Sylar was able to regenerate. The fact is that future Hiro was wrong, when future Hiro stabbed the 'blowing up guy' it was Peter, even though he didn't realize it.

I still don't think you got it.

Future Hiro, like everybody else, was told that Sylar was the bomb-dude. So future Hiro He went back and stabbed him before the bomb was due to go off, but Sylar regenerated. He assumed that after regenerating he went on to blow up again. So he went back to have Peter save the cheerleader so Sylar couldn't regenerate after he stabbed him and he could thereby stop him from blowing up. Of course, the bomb still goes off. Future Hiro now believes it goes off because he never got the chance to stab Sylar and sends his past self back to do it.

Now, we learned from Isaac shortly before he dies that he's seen how they kill Sylar and stop the bomb, so we can assume that Hiro isn't doing all of this in vain and that Sylar is involved in the triggering of Peter. Remember that after taking Isaac's power, Sylar painted a picture of himself as the President, so his goals probably changed after that and he was intent on acquiring the abilities needed to mask himself as Nathan and assuring that peter goes off.
 

bonkers325

Lifer
Mar 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: djheater
REading through the last two pages I'm surprised at how people are confused by sylar\peter\claire regeneration thing/

The timeline was not changed. Hiro was wrong all along.
Claire is not dead. Sylar never killed claire, never got regrowth, Hiro thought that if Sylar did not have regeneration, he could kill Sylar before Sylar goes nuke, that's why he comes back and tells Peter to save the cheerleader... but it was never Sylar. It was always Peter.

I agree with everything you said, except ...

Future Hiro specifically says, (in Japanese) "I stabbed him, but he regenerated"

That's what I said.

He regenerated because he was Peter. To borrow your venacular; Future Hiro in the first ep. thought that Sylar had killed Claire and stolen her power, when he blew up, that's how, to Hiro, Sylar was able to regenerate. The fact is that future Hiro was wrong, when future Hiro stabbed the 'blowing up guy' it was Peter, even though he didn't realize it.

I still don't think you got it.

Future Hiro, like everybody else, was told that Sylar was the bomb-dude. So future Hiro He went back and stabbed him before the bomb was due to go off, but Sylar regenerated. He assumed that after regenerating he went on to blow up again. So he went back to have Peter save the cheerleader so Sylar couldn't regenerate after he stabbed him and he could thereby stop him from blowing up. Of course, the bomb still goes off. Future Hiro now believes it goes off because he never got the chance to stab Sylar and sends his past self back to do it.

Now, we learned from Isaac shortly before he dies that he's seen how they kill Sylar and stop the bomb, so we can assume that Hiro isn't doing all of this in vain and that Sylar is involved in the triggering of Peter. Remember that after taking Isaac's power, Sylar painted a picture of himself as the President, so his goals probably changed after that and he was intent on acquiring the abilities needed to mask himself as Nathan and assuring that peter goes off.

i think that Hiro's time traveling is like a mathematical iteration - do it enough times and you will converge onto the "correct" solution. in future Hiro's timeline, the cheerleader is alive but Sylar isnt dead. but in present Hiro's timeline, the cheerleader is alive and according to Isaac, Sylar will die. present Hiro's timeline is the latest in what might be dozens of trials and errors (and might possibly be the final timeline). though we all know that Peter is the bomb, so im not sure killing Sylar will stop the explosion from happening
 

FreshPrince

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Dec 6, 2001
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what if present hiro brings present nikki to the future to meet up with future nikki?

TWINS!

and what if future sylar morphs into nikki and meet up with them?

Tripplets! with hiro in the middle? :laugh:

dats wut im talking 'bout, stop all this nonsense and boring talk about time travel
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
After seeing the last episode (Tivo), all I can think is "Brokeback Hiro." Not that that's a bad think - those two Japs make a cute couple! Travel in time when future Hiro is alive and you've got yourself a three-some!

watch the racial slurs.

Oh, come on - I obviously meant it in a tongue and cheek manner. Hiro's my favorite character in the show and my cat is named after a Miyazaki heroine (Kiki). I aint racist, I love Japs and I love chinks too!
P.S. The chinks thing was a Conan/Sarah Silverman reference from a TV-PG rated episode.

I know it was tongue in cheek. But i'm sick and tired of racial slurs being non-PC for every ****** ethnicity but asians. Go call a black man the n-word (see? its not even PC to say it in reference) and then tell him 'oh gimme a break it was tongue in cheek'. After he beats your ass, society will say 'he was justified, you were oppressing him.'

Asians are so non-militant that people feel they can walk all over us. Remember the "two wongs make it white" shirts put out by abercrombie? Granted that was a funny shirt and i would have bought it myself if i could find one...but the point is that the only reason that even hit the store shelves was because people think they can walk all over asians. That never would have happened to blacks or latinos because they stand up for themselves and because there would have been a ****** uproar. I'm tired of the attitude of "oh dont mind the silly yellow slant eyes, they wont mind us laughing at them."

Case in point: If i say the n-word, i'll get a vacation instantly. But the mods probably wont even take a second glance at the jap thing.

Wow you are really out there. Jap is more accepted now because it's more of an abbreviation of their Country (although it's really Nippon to them). My wife is japanese from japan, she has only been here for 5 years or so. She is over 30 like me. It doesn't phase her so much as it does for those that never lived in japan.

Anyway if the asians aren't going to stand up like the latinos and 'blacks', are you their avatar? I think it's about a culture not wanting to portray themselves as a victim.

It's more accepted says WHO? You? Oh, i'm sorry you have a japanese wife. That makes you the foremost authority on asian studies and our culture. That would be why i'm "really out there." My apologies. I like you, you can f*ck my sister.

Perhaps you should start throwing around all the other racial slurs while you're at it. After all, you wouldn't want to discriminate. Go ahead, i'm sure the jewish, blacks, latinos, and middle easterners would love to hear you tell us that all those slurs are "more accepted now." Please, don't let me hold you back.

Most authorities on asian studies still consider the term "jap" very derogatory. Just because YOU think it's ok doesnt mean that's so. I would hate to think what you might call black people "because you think its more accepted now."

It doesnt phase your wife just like N**ger doesnt phase africans as much as it does african americans. WTF is your point? Your arguments have more holes than swiss cheese.

The timid, shy, and reserved nature of asians makes others think they can walk all over us and i'm sick and tired of it. It has nothing to do with being a victim. I have no desire to be their avatar. I just want them to f*cking grow a pair and stand up for themselves.

You aren't kidding are you...wow.

Of course I am not Japanese so I look at this from a different perspective, but I'll offer my opinion anyway.

I equate Jap being short for Japanese with Jew being short for Jewish person. All of the Jewish people i have ever known don't consider Jew to be offensive. It is simply easier to say. Now, I never say 'Jap' in every day conversation or even on the internet, because I rarely need to say 'Japanese person/people'. I also wouldn't say "Hey you Jap, get over here." or anything of that sort directly to someone of Japanese descent. But hell, I'd probably have trouble knowing whether they were Chinese, Korean, or Japanese to begin with (although I think I have gotten better at it).

But seriously, you're trying to equate 'Jap' which is basically an abbreviation for Japan/Japanese with 'my lover, n!gger, beloved patriot, beloved patriot, etc' and that is absurd.

 

djheater

Lifer
Mar 19, 2001
14,637
2
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: djheater
REading through the last two pages I'm surprised at how people are confused by sylar\peter\claire regeneration thing/

The timeline was not changed. Hiro was wrong all along.
Claire is not dead. Sylar never killed claire, never got regrowth, Hiro thought that if Sylar did not have regeneration, he could kill Sylar before Sylar goes nuke, that's why he comes back and tells Peter to save the cheerleader... but it was never Sylar. It was always Peter.

I agree with everything you said, except ...

Future Hiro specifically says, (in Japanese) "I stabbed him, but he regenerated"

That's what I said.

He regenerated because he was Peter. To borrow your venacular; Future Hiro in the first ep. thought that Sylar had killed Claire and stolen her power, when he blew up, that's how, to Hiro, Sylar was able to regenerate. The fact is that future Hiro was wrong, when future Hiro stabbed the 'blowing up guy' it was Peter, even though he didn't realize it.

I still don't think you got it.

Future Hiro, like everybody else, was told that Sylar was the bomb-dude. So future Hiro He went back and stabbed him before the bomb was due to go off, but Sylar regenerated. He assumed that after regenerating he went on to blow up again. So he went back to have Peter save the cheerleader so Sylar couldn't regenerate after he stabbed him and he could thereby stop him from blowing up. Of course, the bomb still goes off. Future Hiro now believes it goes off because he never got the chance to stab Sylar and sends his past self back to do it.

Now, we learned from Isaac shortly before he dies that he's seen how they kill Sylar and stop the bomb, so we can assume that Hiro isn't doing all of this in vain and that Sylar is involved in the triggering of Peter. Remember that after taking Isaac's power, Sylar painted a picture of himself as the President, so his goals probably changed after that and he was intent on acquiring the abilities needed to mask himself as Nathan and assuring that peter goes off.


I don't remember that being stated anywhere... maybe that's why I'm off. Future Hiro said somewhre that he went back to before the bomb went off and tried to kill a Sylar who looked like Sylar?
My assumption was that the stabbing\regeneration thing happened when the blowing up person was all lit up, and Hiro couldn't tell if it was Sylar or Peter visually.
 

smack Down

Diamond Member
Sep 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
After seeing the last episode (Tivo), all I can think is "Brokeback Hiro." Not that that's a bad think - those two Japs make a cute couple! Travel in time when future Hiro is alive and you've got yourself a three-some!

watch the racial slurs.

Oh, come on - I obviously meant it in a tongue and cheek manner. Hiro's my favorite character in the show and my cat is named after a Miyazaki heroine (Kiki). I aint racist, I love Japs and I love chinks too!
P.S. The chinks thing was a Conan/Sarah Silverman reference from a TV-PG rated episode.

I know it was tongue in cheek. But i'm sick and tired of racial slurs being non-PC for every ****** ethnicity but asians. Go call a black man the n-word (see? its not even PC to say it in reference) and then tell him 'oh gimme a break it was tongue in cheek'. After he beats your ass, society will say 'he was justified, you were oppressing him.'

Asians are so non-militant that people feel they can walk all over us. Remember the "two wongs make it white" shirts put out by abercrombie? Granted that was a funny shirt and i would have bought it myself if i could find one...but the point is that the only reason that even hit the store shelves was because people think they can walk all over asians. That never would have happened to blacks or latinos because they stand up for themselves and because there would have been a ****** uproar. I'm tired of the attitude of "oh dont mind the silly yellow slant eyes, they wont mind us laughing at them."

Case in point: If i say the n-word, i'll get a vacation instantly. But the mods probably wont even take a second glance at the jap thing.

Yeah them Japs are so non-militant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
 

hdeck

Lifer
Sep 26, 2002
14,530
1
0
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
After seeing the last episode (Tivo), all I can think is "Brokeback Hiro." Not that that's a bad think - those two Japs make a cute couple! Travel in time when future Hiro is alive and you've got yourself a three-some!

watch the racial slurs.

Oh, come on - I obviously meant it in a tongue and cheek manner. Hiro's my favorite character in the show and my cat is named after a Miyazaki heroine (Kiki). I aint racist, I love Japs and I love chinks too!
P.S. The chinks thing was a Conan/Sarah Silverman reference from a TV-PG rated episode.

I know it was tongue in cheek. But i'm sick and tired of racial slurs being non-PC for every ****** ethnicity but asians. Go call a black man the n-word (see? its not even PC to say it in reference) and then tell him 'oh gimme a break it was tongue in cheek'. After he beats your ass, society will say 'he was justified, you were oppressing him.'

Asians are so non-militant that people feel they can walk all over us. Remember the "two wongs make it white" shirts put out by abercrombie? Granted that was a funny shirt and i would have bought it myself if i could find one...but the point is that the only reason that even hit the store shelves was because people think they can walk all over asians. That never would have happened to blacks or latinos because they stand up for themselves and because there would have been a ****** uproar. I'm tired of the attitude of "oh dont mind the silly yellow slant eyes, they wont mind us laughing at them."

Case in point: If i say the n-word, i'll get a vacation instantly. But the mods probably wont even take a second glance at the jap thing.

Yeah them Japs are so non-militant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

um, wow. talk about ignorant. you do realize that it is written into the japanese constitution that their military cannot attack another country, right? it's strictly a defense force. but good job stereotyping japanese people today with something that happened half a decade ago.
 

smack Down

Diamond Member
Sep 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
After seeing the last episode (Tivo), all I can think is "Brokeback Hiro." Not that that's a bad think - those two Japs make a cute couple! Travel in time when future Hiro is alive and you've got yourself a three-some!

watch the racial slurs.

Oh, come on - I obviously meant it in a tongue and cheek manner. Hiro's my favorite character in the show and my cat is named after a Miyazaki heroine (Kiki). I aint racist, I love Japs and I love chinks too!
P.S. The chinks thing was a Conan/Sarah Silverman reference from a TV-PG rated episode.

I know it was tongue in cheek. But i'm sick and tired of racial slurs being non-PC for every ****** ethnicity but asians. Go call a black man the n-word (see? its not even PC to say it in reference) and then tell him 'oh gimme a break it was tongue in cheek'. After he beats your ass, society will say 'he was justified, you were oppressing him.'

Asians are so non-militant that people feel they can walk all over us. Remember the "two wongs make it white" shirts put out by abercrombie? Granted that was a funny shirt and i would have bought it myself if i could find one...but the point is that the only reason that even hit the store shelves was because people think they can walk all over asians. That never would have happened to blacks or latinos because they stand up for themselves and because there would have been a ****** uproar. I'm tired of the attitude of "oh dont mind the silly yellow slant eyes, they wont mind us laughing at them."

Case in point: If i say the n-word, i'll get a vacation instantly. But the mods probably wont even take a second glance at the jap thing.

Yeah them Japs are so non-militant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

um, wow. talk about ignorant. you do realize that it is written into the japanese constitution that their military cannot attack another country, right? it's strictly a defense force. but good job stereotyping japanese people today with something that happened half a decade ago.

Yes I'm well aware that when they got their asses kicked in WWII WE wrote their constitution, The japanese had nothing to do with it.

Besides I was just making fun at the guy whining about the term "japs" and referring to them as non-militant when "japs" came about because they where one of the most militant people on the plant.
 
Dec 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: djheater
REading through the last two pages I'm surprised at how people are confused by sylar\peter\claire regeneration thing/

The timeline was not changed. Hiro was wrong all along.
Claire is not dead. Sylar never killed claire, never got regrowth, Hiro thought that if Sylar did not have regeneration, he could kill Sylar before Sylar goes nuke, that's why he comes back and tells Peter to save the cheerleader... but it was never Sylar. It was always Peter.

I agree with everything you said, except ...

Future Hiro specifically says, (in Japanese) "I stabbed him, but he regenerated"

That's what I said.

He regenerated because he was Peter. To borrow your venacular; Future Hiro in the first ep. thought that Sylar had killed Claire and stolen her power, when he blew up, that's how, to Hiro, Sylar was able to regenerate. The fact is that future Hiro was wrong, when future Hiro stabbed the 'blowing up guy' it was Peter, even though he didn't realize it.

I still don't think you got it.

Future Hiro, like everybody else, was told that Sylar was the bomb-dude. So future Hiro He went back and stabbed him before the bomb was due to go off, but Sylar regenerated. He assumed that after regenerating he went on to blow up again. So he went back to have Peter save the cheerleader so Sylar couldn't regenerate after he stabbed him and he could thereby stop him from blowing up. Of course, the bomb still goes off. Future Hiro now believes it goes off because he never got the chance to stab Sylar and sends his past self back to do it.

Now, we learned from Isaac shortly before he dies that he's seen how they kill Sylar and stop the bomb, so we can assume that Hiro isn't doing all of this in vain and that Sylar is involved in the triggering of Peter. Remember that after taking Isaac's power, Sylar painted a picture of himself as the President, so his goals probably changed after that and he was intent on acquiring the abilities needed to mask himself as Nathan and assuring that peter goes off.


I don't remember that being stated anywhere... maybe that's why I'm off. Future Hiro said somewhre that he went back to before the bomb went off and tried to kill a Sylar who looked like Sylar?
My assumption was that the stabbing\regeneration thing happened when the blowing up person was all lit up, and Hiro couldn't tell if it was Sylar or Peter visually.

Future Hiro actually told Past Hiro that he stabbed him and that he regenrated.....it was near the beginning of the episode. There was also one of Isaac's drawings showing Hiro stabbing Sylar.

Still, so far, we have no reason to believe that Sylar and the bomb are in any way related.
 

amish

Diamond Member
Aug 20, 2004
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will you douchebags take it somewhere else? set up a new thread, or better yet, start PMing each other.

edit: clarification, this is to the people debating about "japs" and whether or not it is a racial slur.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
30,383
912
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Originally posted by: OverVolt
2hours 55minutes

Add about an hour to that for those of us that download it . Gah, I wish NBC around here broadcast in HD like every other network does .
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,886
12,165
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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
she has a big booty

So juicy

um..it's much bigger than that now...did you see her last leno interview?

how could she gain that much fat in her bottom in such a small amount of time?

hands off, i've already claimed her as far as AT is concerned

edit: back to blonde FTMFW
 
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