HHmmm...somethings coming...

the Chase

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It sounds like either a Quad core or super clocked FX chip is coming from AMD very soon.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31994

I'm going with Quad core.

Intel says "We hear there will be only hundreds to a couple thousand chips total" - so they know that SOMETHING is coming. Should be interesting.....And expensive.
 

F1shF4t

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Quad core would be nice, but then again i dont use my dual core to full advantage half the time, why the hell would i need quad core
 

RallyMaster

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waste of cash. if a dual core from AMD gets kicked by a Core 2 Duo though...then it's gonna be really sad.
 

Supa

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Back in the Pentium III/Athlon days, I recalled a friend of mine saying, "Why would anyone ever need 1 Ghz of cpu? It's ridiculous." Having that sense of déjà vu again.


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DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake
Quad core would be nice, but then again i dont use my dual core to full advantage half the time, why the hell would i need quad core

You can say that again. Based on Duvie's tests with his dual-CPU Opteron 270 machine, it looks difficult to fully utilize four cores.
 

TekDemon

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Well, how many programs out there could actually even take advantage of 4 cores simultaneously? It'd be fairly useless in the majority of applications. In fact, I'd say, pretty much every single application I run would likely show no noticable speed increase in going from 2 to 4 cores. Maybe if I was doing heavy 3D rendering all the time that would make sense.

I actually think a hyperclocked FX is more likely than a quad core CPU...because I doubt a quad core CPU would help AMD retain the gaming crown. Heck, most games don't even benefit from the 2nd core, dropping 4 cores all of a sudden is going to be fairly silly if AMD wants to affect benchmarks. But if they cherry pick out a few hundred magic chips out of the millions that they're making, they might be able to squeeze out enough superFX chips to keep competitive in benchmarks.

Of course, like the Intel people say, the millions of other people out there are just going to go and buy Conroe anyway.

Come to think of it, pretty much any overclocker would go with Conroe because it's *not* being pushed to the very limits of it's architecture...there's plenty of overhead to work with based on preliminary results.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: RallyMaster
waste of cash. if a dual core from AMD gets kicked by a Core 2 Duo though...then it's gonna be really sad.

Do you mean "quad core" AMD? Because it looks like the AMD dual cores are already being beaten.

And if it is just a hyperclocked FX, what clock would it need to be to best a Conroe 2.6, let alone Conroe XE's? My thoughts are that it would need to be pretty high. 3.5 GHz range to even be competitive, and a bit higher to actually beat Core 2 Duo. IMHO.

It's kind of funny actually. Like ten minutes ago, (figuratively) Intel needed 4+ GHz to even be competitive with AMD. AMD states clock speed isn't everyting. Now look at whats happening. It's like an immediate role reversal.

I'm not knocking AMD here guys, just taking it all in, that's all.

 

the Chase

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It is kind of wild how fast the tables can turn. Even the very fact AMD has to do what sounds like basically a PR stunt for either a super clocked FX or a thrown together Quad Core chip is really a telling sign that they are worried. And yeah most desktops barely use dual core so quad core is a bit much. But the shock factor and mindset share would definitely be there for AMD. Especially if they can produce a lot of whatever these are. (IF it even happens).

What do you guys guess AMD would charge $ wise for a say 2.6Ghz Quad chip?
 

Casawi

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I think newer programs are going to be programmed in a way that can take advantage of dual or quad core. There a lot of research in the OS area trying to figure out execution time for programs before they are actually run on a machine. If this happens soon then scheduling tasks for quad core would be easier and more efficient therefore having a quad core can increase processing speed.
 

BrownTown

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Quad core makes alot less sense. Its mroe likely to be an early 65nm part at 3.2 or 3.4G. MAybe they will add more L3 cache, but as the article states, that costs lots of money. Either way it seems to be mostly a PR stunt where all the review sites get one, but there are few left over for anyone else. Personally I'm not gonna be impressed by a 3.4G AMD chip if its nothing but a cherry picked sample. All that means is Intel will release a 3.33G Conroe which is also cherry picked and nobody but reviewers will ever get one.
 

Looney

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I really hope it's not quad core. They're going to throw #s of cores to compete with actual performance... similar to what intel did with throwing mhz (and heat) trying to compete with AMD.

Sh1t like this is crap anyways... just like the P4EEs were. We need actual CPUs that are for the consumers, not for reviews and benchmarking.
 

d3lt4

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Why do you read the inquirer?
I think it is the 65nm chips that are clocked higher and maybe a higher cache, but those are scheduled to be released in like dec. maybe they will just send out a few of them early to get some hype off of conroe and onto AMD.
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Quad core makes alot less sense. Its mroe likely to be an early 65nm part at 3.2 or 3.4G. MAybe they will add more L3 cache, but as the article states, that costs lots of money. Either way it seems to be mostly a PR stunt where all the review sites get one, but there are few left over for anyone else. Personally I'm not gonna be impressed by a 3.4G AMD chip if its nothing but a cherry picked sample. All that means is Intel will release a 3.33G Conroe which is also cherry picked and nobody but reviewers will ever get one.



I agree with this totally.....


I can use 4 cores always cause I will just have F&H running 24/7 and then still run all my SMP aware apps whether they use 2,3 or 4 cores effectively....

 

thestain

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dunno.. what if amd pulls off dat reverse threading?? LOL

yep.. unlikely.. but it is reasonable that AMD was milking the profits on the K8's a little since they did not have the capacity to really go hung ho..

Since they are not backing off capacity growth.. AMD is either really stupid or they have something in reserve.. only it appears from the time Intel gets its Core 2 Duo out until AMD gets whatever it has in reserve out..

Conroe is goin to roll..

I do like Greyhounds potential for the desktop..

and I do like Mushkin memory..

I have never hard modded ... any hard modding for dummies classes out there.. now if you could get that FSB up to 1600.. with memory clocked at 800 and the E6600 overclocked to 3200.. that would be one sweet beast of a rig on a budget.

Fortunately.. plenty of good quiet air cooling solutions are out there.

The Stain
 

F1shF4t

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Originally posted by: Supa
Back in the Pentium III/Athlon days, I recalled a friend of mine saying, "Why would anyone ever need 1 Ghz of cpu? It's ridiculous." Having that sense of déjà vu again.


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I was talking about myself, that i dont need a quad core anytime soon. The dualcore i got now is plenty quick for me, i would be happy with the cpu in my second rig half the time, but for some uses the dually is just convenient eg. multitasking, until laggggness killer.

EDIT: ofcourse this will change in the future lol, probably with the new windows bloatware.
 

DeathReborn

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Originally posted by: the Chase
Well I guess $989 for a 2.6Ghz Quad. I wonder if that will be for socket 939 also....

Probably just AM2 (possibly Socket F, single CPU) but it'd have to be priced above the current FX62 so it doesn't cannibalise sales from that.
 

EffeX

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I think its gonna be a shared L3 cache. Just like intel's Xeon "Tulsa" core.
 

the Chase

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Originally posted by: EffeX
I think its gonna be a shared L3 cache. Just like intel's Xeon "Tulsa" core.

Do you think they are using the Z-ram tech to do this or it will be bigger core?
 

soydios

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my best guess is a dual core with shared L3 Cache on 65nm with higher clockspeeds

Another $1000 CPU which I will never come close to buying.
 

Cooler

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This is why Intel is only releasing 2.93ghz GHz chip at launch later on once AMD tries to counter with 3.2-3.4 GHz cpu Intel will bring out the 3.2 and 3.33ghz monsters. It has already been shown that most new high end motherboards support 333 FSB and that 2.66 GHz easily OC to 3.4 on air. The good news is that this mean current high end chips from Intel x6800 and 6700 will drop in price soon at end of the year. Note that the x6800 will become a standard a 6800 with lock mults.
 
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