Hillary makes it official

[norseamd]

So would transferring nuclear weapons to the Taiwanese and also the nuclear technology along with new submarines, aircraft, and missile defense hardware be worth as much as anything we could do to counter the Chinese?

 

[fskimospy]

East Asia "pivot".

http://journal-neo.org/2015/02/25/us-pivot-sends-asia-fleeing-toward-china/

New Eastern Outlook is a Russian government propaganda site. It's an outgrowth of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a formerly very prestigious and independent institution that was taken over by the Russian government a few years back and repurposed.

Why would you want to quote Russian government propaganda? Just a cursory look at the other things that site is now publishing should have been a huge red flag. Interestingly enough, a lot of their articles show up on that conspiracy crank site Globalresearch you linked to before.

Here's a sample of other articles from there today:
"Western Moral Bankruptcy and the New "Eastern" Hope"
"Political Repression and Resistance in ‘Democratic Europe'"
"Post-Election Violence: Wall Street Plots to Destroy Nigeria"

I could go on. Sources, sources, sources.

 

[Darwin333]

Yes, we need to further devolve the office of president to make it more of a reality show so that the young and stupid can relate. This is a vote for president of the US, not American Idol.

I hate to break it to you but we have already devolved that far and arguably further...

Honestly, what percentage of people that actually vote know fuckall about the persons policies they are voting for? Most people vote for a letter and that's it. Most of the people left vote for the person they "like" and a very small percentage actually listen to the issues and policies of a candidate, let it rattle around in their brains for a while and form an educated opinion.

 

[norseamd]

The Russians do tons of false propaganda so you have to be careful reading anything that is written from Muscovy.

 

[IGBT]

all part of the illusory gender war the liberals will use to fool the low information liberal base.

 

[brycejones]

all part of the illusory gender war the liberals will use to fool the low information liberal base.

aren't you still fighting in the war on Christmas?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

New Eastern Outlook is a Russian government propaganda site. It's an outgrowth of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a formerly very prestigious and independent institution that was taken over by the Russian government a few years back and repurposed.

Why would you want to quote Russian government propaganda? Just a cursory look at the other things that site is now publishing should have been a huge red flag. Interestingly enough, a lot of their articles show up on that conspiracy crank site Globalresearch you linked to before.

Here's a sample of other articles from there today:
"Western Moral Bankruptcy and the New "Eastern" Hope"
"Political Repression and Resistance in ‘Democratic Europe'"
"Post-Election Violence: Wall Street Plots to Destroy Nigeria"

I could go on. Sources, sources, sources.

http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/pivot-stumble-obamas-landmark-east-asia-policy-revisited/

Please provide links if you have information indicating that her "pivot" strategy was successful.

 

[ivwshane]

It looks like you have link diarrhea because you are spamming this thread with pointless shit! And it is pointless because you either aren't capable or are too lazy to write more than a few words to articulate your point.

Like usual though, you might want to review some of your sources.

Afghanistan "surge".

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the-afghan-surge-was-a-failure/

East Asia "pivot".

http://journal-neo.org/2015/02/25/us-pivot-sends-asia-fleeing-toward-china/

Wall Street Loves Her!

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...street-loves-hillary-112782.html#.VSwAovnF8k0

 

[Genx87]

New Eastern Outlook is a Russian government propaganda site. It's an outgrowth of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a formerly very prestigious and independent institution that was taken over by the Russian government a few years back and repurposed.

Why would you want to quote Russian government propaganda? Just a cursory look at the other things that site is now publishing should have been a huge red flag. Interestingly enough, a lot of their articles show up on that conspiracy crank site Globalresearch you linked to before.

Here's a sample of other articles from there today:
"Western Moral Bankruptcy and the New "Eastern" Hope"
"Political Repression and Resistance in ‘Democratic Europe'"
"Post-Election Violence: Wall Street Plots to Destroy Nigeria"

I could go on. Sources, sources, sources.

I am amazed at how many media outlets are owned by the Kremlin. Watching Syrian war footage of Syrian tanks clearing out rebels the news agency that was posting the videos on Youtube was called ANNA.

I looked them up and sure enough, Kremlin ties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Network_News_Agency

Fascinating video however if one has 45 mins at a time to waste.

 

[norseamd]

One of my theories on why Putin is engaging in conflict in Ukraine is that he aims in the short run to tie up the West in Western Eurasia to botch the US pivot to Asia with the long term goal of attritioning the West and thus further accelerating their decay and suppress the ability of America and Western European countries to prevent the rise of China and for the Muscovites to take advantage of that and gain some significant increase in power and prestige.

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/pivot-stumble-obamas-landmark-east-asia-policy-revisited/

Please provide links if you have information indicating that her "pivot" strategy was successful.

Your own article here says that the pivot strategy has been reasonably successful so far but faces long term challenges and will require increased commitment in the face of a continually strengthening China. The issue the article brings up is that future US administrations might not be willing to do that.

The Pivot has produced several notable successes in line with its original aim of promoting political, economic, and military links with the region. On the diplomatic front, the United States has joined the East Asia Summit, and now has a permanent ambassador to ASEAN – a forum that is taking the lead in trying to find a diplomatic solution to territorial disputes in the South China Sea. Economically Washington has strengthened bilateral trade and aid exchanges with Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, and Vietnam, even if the US-spearheaded Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is floundering for the time being. And in the military sphere, where many of the Pivot’s most obvious successes lie, the Obama administration has negotiated new basing rights with Australia, the Philippines, and Singapore. It also appears that the US Navy is still committed to stationing 60% of its forces in the region by 2020.

The question then becomes: Are these successes enough to achieve the Pivot’s secondary aim of providing a credible hedge against a rising China? And it’s here where the waters get muddied.

Think of the Pivot as a classic case of diminishing returns. For the time being it might be inserting the United States into the security equation such that Beijing cannot impose its will on regional governments and settle disputes unilaterally; however hard it might try in the South China Sea. But time and geography are simply not on Washington’s side. With every passing year that China’s economic and military clout expands, so too does the base commitment from Washington that would be necessary to convince regional governments that the United States is a reliable partner over the long term.

It seems like you're once again posting links from dubious sources you haven't checked and then not reading the more credible links you post thoroughly. You really do this a lot.

 

[nageov3t]

I'm feeling pretty 'meh' on it.

I'd happily vote for someone more progressive in the primaries, but there's no Republican I could see voting for in the general election against Clinton.

 

[fskimospy]

I am amazed at how many media outlets are owned by the Kremlin. Watching Syrian war footage of Syrian tanks clearing out rebels the news agency that was posting the videos on Youtube was called ANNA.

I looked them up and sure enough, Kremlin ties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Network_News_Agency

Fascinating video however if one has 45 mins at a time to waste.

It really is impressive in a way. It seems that their strategy is simply to make large numbers of these agencies and flood the internet with pro-Russian news. It makes sense, as larger organizations quickly lose their credibility if they are the sole source of propaganda, Pravda style. This case was even trickier as the Russian Academy used to be a real, prestigious research organization before the government took it over and turned it into a propaganda tool.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your own article here says that the pivot strategy has been reasonably successful so far but faces long term challenges and will require increased commitment in the face of a continually strengthening China. The issue the article brings up is that future US administrations might not be willing to do that.



It seems like you're once again posting links from dubious sources you haven't checked and then not reading the more credible links you post thoroughly. You really do this a lot.

Let's put it another way...do you agree with this strategy and do you actually believe it's viable?

 

[Vic]

Do you want a president that accepts the science on climate change? Do you want a president that accepts macroeconomics 101? Do you oppose massive tax cuts for the rich?

If you do, looks like you're voting for Hillary, because I see no plausible Republican nominee that does any of those three things.

Let's be honest. There is no plausible Republican nominee on any issue.

 

[Vic]

Wall Street Loves Her!

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...street-loves-hillary-112782.html#.VSwAovnF8k0

Ah.. you're just jealous.

But seriously, racism and religious fundamentalism are bad for business, from Main street to Wall street.

 

[norseamd]

Let's put it another way...do you agree with this strategy and do you actually believe it's viable?

Yes and complicated but it is possible to protect Asian countries against China and contribute to balance in the Asian-Pacific geopolitical area even if it is impossible to prevent the decline of American power and influence in the area over the long term.

 

[werepossum]

I'm feeling pretty 'meh' on it.

I'd happily vote for someone more progressive in the primaries, but there's no Republican I could see voting for in the general election against Clinton.

Let's be honest. There is no plausible Republican nominee on any issue.

I am continually amazed that anyone, even while holding his nose, can get behind someone who would author a "health care" bill which would put you in jail for using your own money to pay for your own health care. Have we really fallen that far?

If that doesn't give you pause, how about supporting an attorney who would certify her close friend and tennis partner as destitute, even though her husband owned a bank at the time, to get a no-interest $300,000 federal loan that the taxpayers guaranteed and ultimately had to pay off? (Admittedly if one considers owning a $1.4 million house as being "dead broke", perhaps owning a bank qualifies as destitute, but still.)

Have we no standards beyond "my team" or "my promised loot"?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes and complicated but it is possible to protect Asian countries against China and contribute to balance in the Asian-Pacific geopolitical area even if it is impossible to prevent the decline of American power and influence in the area over the long term.

I don't think this strategy is working...

http://globalriskinsights.com/2015/04/obamas-pivot-to-asia-fails-to-impress-china/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9e05a4-1e8e-4026-ad5a-5919f8c0de8a_story.html

...tensions continue to rise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...71cfaa-d5cd-4dd2-925c-246c099f04ed_story.html

http://www.emergingmarkets.org/Arti...ions-turn-up-the-heat-on-Asias-economies.html

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think this strategy is working...

http://globalriskinsights.com/2015/04/obamas-pivot-to-asia-fails-to-impress-china/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9e05a4-1e8e-4026-ad5a-5919f8c0de8a_story.html

...tensions continue to rise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...71cfaa-d5cd-4dd2-925c-246c099f04ed_story.html

http://www.emergingmarkets.org/Arti...ions-turn-up-the-heat-on-Asias-economies.html

Your links aren't supporting your contention that it's not working, your links talk about how China doesn't like it. If anything, wouldn't that indicate that it IS working as if it were ineffective China wouldn't care?

So now we've got one link from a Russian propaganda site, one link that actually says the opposite of what you claimed, and 4 links about how China doesn't like the policy, despite the purpose of the policy not being that China would like it.

Enough already. This Hillary hate thing you've got going is already getting deranged and there's a year and a half before the election.

 

[norseamd]

My guess is most of this is well worth reading.

http://foreignpolicy.com/?s=pivot

 

[Vic]

I am continually amazed that anyone, even while holding his nose, can get behind someone who would author a "health care" bill which would put you in jail for using your own money to pay for your own health care. Have we really fallen that far?

If that doesn't give you pause, how about supporting an attorney who would certify her close friend and tennis partner as destitute, even though her husband owned a bank at the time, to get a no-interest $300,000 federal loan that the taxpayers guaranteed and ultimately had to pay off? (Admittedly if one considers owning a $1.4 million house as being "dead broke", perhaps owning a bank qualifies as destitute, but still.)

Have we no standards beyond "my team" or "my promised loot"?

You're losing it.

Partisanship and/or 'my team' have absolutely nothing to do with my observation that all of the Republican prospects for 2016 have virtually no hope of being elected.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your links aren't supporting your contention that it's not working, your links talk about how China doesn't like it. If anything, wouldn't that indicate that it IS working as if it were ineffective China wouldn't care?

So now we've got one link from a Russian propaganda site, one link that actually says the opposite of what you claimed, and 4 links about how China doesn't like the policy, despite the purpose of the policy not being that China would like it.

Enough already. This Hillary hate thing you've got going is already getting deranged and there's a year and a half before the election.

All I can find are those who've stated it's either failed or doomed to failure...I'm still waiting for your links showing it's been successful.

 

[fskimospy]

I am continually amazed that anyone, even while holding his nose, can get behind someone who would author a "health care" bill which would put you in jail for using your own money to pay for your own health care. Have we really fallen that far?

Can you quote what part of any bill authored by her that would do that?

Here's the 1993 bill for you to look through:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c103:1:./temp/~c103GmfJU5:e257555:

 

[fskimospy]

All I can find are those who've stated it's either failed or doomed to failure...I'm still waiting for your links showing it's been successful.

Are you reading links other than the ones you've provided? Because if we're talking about the links you've supplied they don't say that at all.

You got duped by a Russian propaganda site. Such is life, just accept it and move on.