Hillary's lead over Bernie evaporating

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Shaun_Brannen

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Apparently, we are, we elected obummer twice
Well when you're choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich...

You're seriously out of your mind if you think any establishment top pick during those elections was a good idea.

Frankly, the US has been off-track since at least 1969, with Nixon's election.
 

Spungo

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Frankly, the US has been off-track since at least 1969, with Nixon's election.

According to Cenk Uygur, things went off the rails sometime around 1973 or 1974. It became legal for corporations to directly bribe politicians because corporations have the rights of a natural citizen, and donations to politicians would therefore be protected as free speech.

As a result, the government does not represent us. Serious researchers have actually studied this.
https://represent.us/action/theproblem-4/
A video to summarize all of it can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

There was also that study which concluded America is actually an oligarchy.
And then there was that study where the candidate with more funding would be elected roughly 90% of the time.
 

Exophase

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Of course the 3rd choice, that Dems just don't like either candidate, might be a precursor to the general election.

They may have a hard time feeling motivated to vote in the primaries (a lot are saying they'd be okay with either candidate) but that doesn't mean they're not going to vote when the opposition is Trump or Cruz.
 

mysticjbyrd

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What a Liberal really does is attempt to make the best of reality & not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

We're better than conservatives at recognizing unobtainium for what it is. It's better to achieve the possible than to insist on the impossible. Leave absolutism to the radicals on the Right.

You people are pathetic... You're not a progressive.
 

werepossum

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Dem's don't seem to be real happy with their choices, or at least one of them.

Iowa Voter Registrations. Notice the Dem's have significantly fewer registrations in 2016 vs 2007, and fewer registrations than the GOP which they had more registrations than in 2007. I think the Dems are abandoning Hillary.

This just corresponds too closely with many posts / statements / comments I've seen where left leaning types simply will not vote for Hillary, keeping in mind there were polls where some 20% of Dems said they would go GOP if Hillary were nominated.

Then there's this last second media assault on Sanders that seems to be having a Trump effect, causing a backlash of anger right at the moment Sanders needs it.

I think Sanders is about to have a blowout win in Iowa. Let's see...


http://www.redstate.com/2016/01/28/iowa-voter-registration-data-point-ted-cruz-victory-iowa/


Jan. 2007

Dem: 609,633
GOP: 590,187


Jan. 2016 (one month out)

Dem: 584,111
GOP: 612,112
Makes me wonder how many of those GOP registrations are Democrats for Trump because they think he's unelectable and Hillary has it in the bag?

More spin from a notorious right wing rag. If the foundation were trying to hide something they sure as Hell wouldn't have posted the information on their website & in their publications, would they?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-foundation-tax-forms_us_564ae72be4b08cda348a6239

It's all just another version of Benghazi.
Obviously that's the answer. Just like Mrs. Clinton, the Foundation is clearly a victim here. How is it supposed to know it received millions in foreign contributions? Just like Hillary, the Foundation is scrupulously honest in reporting what it's been caught doing. Hell, everybody does it. Why, I remember when the Clintons had to go back and amend their personal tax returns three times while in the White House because someone had caught them lying about what they received, and each time they were completely open about what had just been documented. If that's not honesty, you don't know what is.
 

werepossum

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That's possible, like I said we'll see. If it's the former in Iowa, it'll probably be the same most everywhere. The latter, same.

Of course the 3rd choice, that Dems just don't like either candidate, might be a precursor to the general election.
I've a hunch that if "None of the above" were a valid choice in our system, we'd be facing yet another nail-biter as "None of the above" takes on "None of the above" in the fifth or sixth rematch.

You might want to re-calibrate your criticism, since I'm an independent. I might vote for Gary Johnson if Hillary is not the nominee, but if she is, I will vote for the anti-Hillary, whoever that is.
So, what if there isn't an anti-Hillary? What if there is just an "other-Hillary", probably with a penis? We're not exactly known for our politicians' integrity, you know.

Feel free to be an irrational partisan hater. It's a POV requiring little thought or intellect.
That we can even see this post is proof that the Internet cannot be broken with unintentional irony at the WMD level. Thanks, Algore!
 

Jhhnn

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Makes me wonder how many of those GOP registrations are Democrats for Trump because they think he's unelectable and Hillary has it in the bag?


Obviously that's the answer. Just like Mrs. Clinton, the Foundation is clearly a victim here. How is it supposed to know it received millions in foreign contributions? Just like Hillary, the Foundation is scrupulously honest in reporting what it's been caught doing. Hell, everybody does it. Why, I remember when the Clintons had to go back and amend their personal tax returns three times while in the White House because someone had caught them lying about what they received, and each time they were completely open about what had just been documented. If that's not honesty, you don't know what is.

You know the drill- link or it never happened.
 

shady28

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Interesting article on the Clinton's role in supporting Wall St, from someone who works there.

Looks like we have the Clintons to thank for the policy of big bank bail-outs.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/28/hillary-clinton-wall-street-bailout

I owe almost my entire Wall Street career to the Clintons. I am not alone; most bankers owe their careers, and their wealth, to them. Over the last 25 years they – with the Clintons it is never just Bill or Hillary – implemented policies that placed Wall Street at the center of the Democratic economic agenda, turning it from a party against Wall Street to a party of Wall Street.
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That crisis came in January 1995, halfway through the administration’s first term. Mexico, after having boomed from the optimism surrounding Nafta, went bust. It was a huge embarrassment for the administration, given the push they had made for Nafta against a cynical Democratic party.
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As the crisis unfolded, senior management traveled to DC as part of a group of bankers to meet with Treasury officials.
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To the surprise of Wall Street, the administration pushed for a $50bn global bail-out of Mexico, arguing that to not do so would devastate the US and world economy. Unmentioned was that it would have also devastated Wall Street banks.
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The bailout worked, with Mexico edging away from a crisis, allowing it to repay the loans, at profit. It also worked wonders on Wall Street, which let out a huge sigh of relief.

The success encouraged the administration, which used it as an economic blueprint that emphasized Wall Street. It also emphasized bailouts, believing it was counterproductive to let banks fail, or to punish them with losses, or fines or, God forbid, charge them with crimes, and risk endangering the economy.
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Except that Hillary Clinton continues to receive large donations from top bankers. Ask anyone who has spent the last two decades on Wall Street which politicians have worked for them the hardest and most will grudgingly admit it’s the Clintons. I doubt that will change anytime soon.
 

TheGardener

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Well when you're choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich...

You're seriously out of your mind if you think any establishment top pick during those elections was a good idea.

Frankly, the US has been off-track since at least 1969, with Nixon's election.
So Lyndon Johnson was an off the map success?
 

TheGardener

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You people are pathetic... You're not a progressive.
He's a political hack.

Per Free Dictionary:

Noun1.
political hack - a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends
 

Sonikku

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Apparently, we are, we elected obummer twice

Obama and Romney were practically the same for all intents and purposes. Their plans and ideas were eerily similar. Even if we hadn't elected Obama I don't think it would have made much of a difference.
 

Jhhnn

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He's a political hack.

Per Free Dictionary:

Noun1.
political hack - a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends

Funny that. I've never held office or acted as a political functionary beyond door to door canvassing for the Democratic Party. I have no power beyond my vote & the power of persuasion.

It seems perfectly obvious that neither you nor any of the Hillary haters in this thread would ever vote for Bernie Sanders, anyway. He's further across the political spectrum from the lot of you than Hillary ever will be.
 

Jhhnn

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Obama and Romney were practically the same for all intents and purposes. Their plans and ideas were eerily similar. Even if we hadn't elected Obama I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

More of the "They're just as bad!" lameness of defeatism.

Your assertion is pitiful on its face. It's not like Romney held the same positions on much of anything, from gay marriage to marijuana legalization to taxes or foreign affairs.
 

fskimospy

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Obama and Romney were practically the same for all intents and purposes. Their plans and ideas were eerily similar. Even if we hadn't elected Obama I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

What about their campaign platforms was eerily similar, specifically?
 

theeedude

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Obama passed Romney's health plan nationally. But by the time Romney ran, he was against himself, so his platform was different than Obama's. But Republicans love to convince themselves that even though Republicans screwed them and destroyed the middle class since 1980, Democrats would have been just as bad.
 

Jhhnn

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What about their campaign platforms was eerily similar, specifically?

Absolutely nothing. A lot of opinion is formed simply to preserve people's world view rather than on the basis of rational examination.
 

TheGardener

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Other than the Vietnam War, he was.

http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/q/43/9699/What-were-President-Lyndon-Johnson-s-accomplishments

Now & at the time the war overshadowed the rest.

You are truly laughable in a very sad way. The progressives on this discussion board are right, in that you and Clinton are not progressives. Listen to any progressive, and they will tell you that the 1968 Democratic convention was a defining event in changing the direction of the Democrat Party.

In the convention hall and on the Chicago streets outside, it was all about the Vietnam War. Not too many incumbent presidents in this country's history, decided not to run for a 2nd term only because of a major political fail. In fact I can only think of one. So "other than the Vietnam War"? People were rioting in the streets of big cities over race. People both conservative and liberal were marching in the streets over the war. Nixon was elected because of Johnson's war.

Just because you post a lot, doesn't mean you have anything meaningful to say.
 

Jhhnn

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You are truly laughable in a very sad way. The progressives on this discussion board are right, in that you and Clinton are not progressives. Listen to any progressive, and they will tell you that the 1968 Democratic convention was a defining event in changing the direction of the Democrat Party.

In the convention hall and on the Chicago streets outside, it was all about the Vietnam War. Not too many incumbent presidents in this country's history, decided not to run for a 2nd term only because of a major political fail. In fact I can only think of one. So "other than the Vietnam War"? People were rioting in the streets of big cities over race. People both conservative and liberal were marching in the streets over the war. Nixon was elected because of Johnson's war.

Just because you post a lot, doesn't mean you have anything meaningful to say.

Your blindness is either feigned, willful, or both.

The civil rights legislation of the 60's wasn't progressive?

Medicare & Medicaid?

The Great Society?

Thurgood Marshall on the SCOTUS wasn't progressive either, right?

Had he pulled out of Vietnam rather than escalating on the advice of the Joint Chiefs & Kennedy's advisers he'd be one of our best remembered presidents.

He knowingly sacrificed Democratic hegemony over the South when he signed the civil rights acts & sacrificed a second term in an attempt to keep the Democratic Party together, not tear itself apart over the war.

His huge mistake over Vietnam tormented him terribly.

I lived that era, turned 18 in 1967, marched against the war & volunteered for George McGovern. The War overshadowed everything else.

Just because your right wing perspective defines progressives as something we're not doesn't mean you're anything more than badly mistaken.

Edit- Eugene McCarthy, as well.
 
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glenn1

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That's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is young people in Iowa aren't going out to register as Democrats to caucus for Bernie.

I wouldn't count on the young person vote no matter who or what you support in this election as even the Atlantic magazine is discussing how incoherent their politics are. They'll be a total wild card in this election; not to mention afterwards whenever who wins tries to actually govern and has the youth fickleness come into play and turns against them.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...omics-voting-clueless-kids-these-days/374427/
 

mysticjbyrd

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Obama and Romney were practically the same for all intents and purposes. Their plans and ideas were eerily similar. Even if we hadn't elected Obama I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

Absolutely right. People have to be led to believe the other side is evil. Doom and Gloom!

I wouldn't count on the young person vote no matter who or what you support in this election as even the Atlantic magazine is discussing how incoherent their politics are. They'll be a total wild card in this election; not to mention afterwards whenever who wins tries to actually govern and has the youth fickleness come into play and turns against them.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...omics-voting-clueless-kids-these-days/374427/

You can practically taste the salt from that article...
 
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