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Stuka87

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Surprised this was posted by somebody with so many posts. Old news combined with foil hat theories.

EDIT: As for the Intel going BGA bit, not going to happen. For mobile chips sure, nothing new there. But desktops still make up a lot of market (both OEM and custom builds). And the ability to mix and match chips with mobo's is still very much required.
 
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Virgorising

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Surprised this was posted by somebody with so many posts. Old news combined with foil hat theories.

EDIT: As for the Intel going BGA bit, not going to happen. For mobile chips sure, nothing new there. But desktops still make up a lot of market (both OEM and custom builds). And the ability to mix and match chips with mobo's is still very much required.

Sorry you think all that. All the work I've done chasing data in this says otherwise.
 

Virgorising

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Dude...

Idontcare on this very forum is one of THE leading guys doing the research on this issue. Or I should say, he finished his research in 2013... It was a massive and very popular thread HERE in THIS FORUM THAT YOU'RE POSTING IN RIGHT NOW.

This is old news man, really old.

SORRY, IT IS NOT OLD...it is dynamically unfolding and ongoing.
 

Virgorising

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I’ve learned many and very important things---as always, more to come over time in this unfolding story…..and I stand by all of them:

Intel, which is struggling & bleeding profits far more than I knew, esp given Apple is phasing them out and may well end up buying them…
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….will almost certainly, soon, go all BGA. And, as I came to, in favor of the burgeoning mobile market. Same deal with Apple, of course.

Now, I also get, the membership of this community is far more oriented to wanting fully configurable elements in desktops, and build their own rigs FAR more than the average PC user. Far more. I don’t build my own rigs, but I count myself among those who want configurable elements built to last and the options those afford.

This means, while Intel may still say it will make some socketable chips….it’s phasing out making boards altogether, they say, except for high end desktops/servers, etc……my take is those will incredibly expensive as their numbers diminish. Including my beloved, huge, magnificently made, entirely configurable Optiplex mini towers.

Clearly, there will be a growing aftermarket for older parts….but for me, that too is depressing given what it will reflect.

I explored the source of my preferences….cause that’s what I do, I delve, starting within…..and as many times as I’ve replaced motherboards, only once for myself, mainly for others, not once except for upgrading a chip, did I ever know a CPU to die. The convenience of being able to buy a decent motherboard alone and seating a chosen or existing chip…..for me, is huge.

Soon, the only viable option will be to buy a mobo unit with a BGA chip nobody can replace.

All this also reflects what the average device owner uses their devices for; FAR less and more mundane things than what I use my go to desktop for.

It’s been a long time since Apple has offered other than all in ones as iMacs…..and I now feel that too will be the wave of the ‘”desktop” future across the board.

So, all those here who build their own rigs…..uber gamers, many it seems even with water cooling……will soon have their options change. Tho also true, the new chip/board units will not generate the level of heat we have all gotten used to. Gotta track the specifics of that and see it all in perspective.

What I am still not clear about: the life expectancy of BGA chips and the boards they are soldered to. But would it surprise me if the Mfg. standards became far lower than what we are used to? Of course not! The OPPOSITE would surprise me. Same deal with mobile devices….not made to last, and advertising creates lust within the malleable to upgrade ongoing…..cause many are hostage to their version of COOL. Which is not MY version of cool.

As I said, like everything else in life……it’s a JOURNEY.
But this is a very big deal re the future of full size desktops.

Anyone here is entitled to believe I leapt to anything without discernment until Wolverines become rappers and Kanye shuts up. I am not more perfect than any other humans, but I do nothing without discernment. (No, I have no clue where the wolverine rappers and Kanye came from but it made me smile.)

Again, I stand by all I have come to in this serious journey….and will bet money on all of it.

And naturally, having learned all the unexpected things I have, I will now track all this ongoing….along with infinite other things.
 
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ShintaiDK

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So you learned absolutely nothing. Still going on posting more nonsense you didnt even bother to check if it was true or not. But again, you never cared because that wasnt your goal.
 

Virgorising

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So you learned absolutely nothing. Still going on posting more nonsense you didnt even bother to check if it was true or not. But again, you never cared because that wasnt your goal.

You are hardly the arbiter of truth in any of this. I checked everything....and again, stand by ALL of it...you can dig in and bully until Climate Change makes the seas rise even more.

http://www.cnet.com/news/at-apple-epic-intel-vs-arm-battle-rages-on/
http://www.mondaynote.com/2014/08/03/macintel-the-end-is-nigh/
http://wccftech.com/intel-offer-socketed-cpus-2016-skymont-onward-chips-ship-bga-packages/
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...-pull-out-of-the-desktop-motherboard-business
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Haswell-Broadwell-LGA-BGA-Atom,19314.html
 
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Ramses

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Not that I want it to, but I can sure see why mainstream stuff on BGA might be preferable to Intel. And they are in a position to make it happen, who else are we gonna buy from right? It seems to have worked out for laptops and such, which I'm told sell more than PC's anyway these days. Stranger things have happened.
 

Virgorising

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Not that I want it to, but I can sure see why mainstream stuff on BGA might be preferable to Intel. And they are in a position to make it happen, who else are we gonna buy from right? It seems to have worked out for laptops and such, which I'm told sell more than PC's anyway these days. Stranger things have happened.

I've already said and addressed all of this. For all the reasons I shared, LGA will soon be a thing of the past.

I also said infinite times, a fully configurable desktop is and will continue to be the heart of my computing life as long possible.....as I suspect it is for many member here.

That time re those options is NOW FINITE, FOR ME, IS THE ISSUE. THO sadly it iwll ot be for most of the world, as I SAID, given the reality of the marketplace and what most humans use their devices FOR.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Not that I want it to, but I can sure see why mainstream stuff on BGA might be preferable to Intel. And they are in a position to make it happen, who else are we gonna buy from right? It seems to have worked out for laptops and such, which I'm told sell more than PC's anyway these days. Stranger things have happened.

Any changes will be the request of OEMs and mobo makers. Not Intel.
 

Virgorising

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And when will that be? We know its not 2015 or 2016.


One more once.....nobody knows for sure and entirely unrealistic to demand such an answer, OK? Did I not say that 436 times?

Like all of life this is an organic journey impacted by many things.....THO identifying the THINGS IS NOT ELUSIVE.
 

ShintaiDK

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One more once.....nobody knows for sure and entirely unrealistic to demand such an answer, OK? Did I not say that 436 times?

Like all of life this is an organic journey impacted by many things.....THO identifying the THINGS IS NOT ELUSIVE.


Nobody knows, yet you claim it will happen. See the problem?

There is absolutely nothing indicating this will happen. The rubbish gossip rumours are now over 2 years old. And we know for the next 2 years nothing will change. So that will be 4+ years and counting.

Either you come up with solid edvidence, or its not happening.
 

Virgorising

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Nobody knows, yet you claim it will happen. See the problem?

There is absolutely nothing indicating this will happen. The rubbish gossip rumours are now over 2 years old. And we know for the next 2 years nothing will change. So that will be 4+ years and counting.

Either you come up with solid edvidence, or its not happening.


Sigh.....do I have to rescind the hug? Believe what you want to based on whatever you want; I sand by all I have come to and posted.....for all the reasons I have.

The goal is to not only chase all the data----with a fully open sensibility, but far more to evolve a differential conclusion that is sound based on all of it. Anyone dug in wanting your version of hard evidence or absolute pronouncements.....is like some desperate patient demanding an absolute prognosis guarantee from some medical professional.

I took the time happily, under assault, no less, to offer all I came to as I delved and processed. This is not COMBAT. Please stop being either or simplistic and demanding something which can only arrive as this journey progresses/unfolds.

But anyone who fails to see the handwriting on the wall.....clear as day...I have nothing more to say to.

There are no guarantees in life....nor, are they necessary.
 

Virgorising

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http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ces-2015-shows-mini-pcs-might-kill-tower-desktops/

Hey, is it possible we will all just adore the minis? Maybe they will even be able to deliver the power, speed and options we are all used to!

OR NOT.

And they are already configurable! The lids! I mean, who needs beyond that, right?

Watch out for the tiny revolution


The tiny computers we saw at CES 2015 were essentially invisible. Once a NUC is set up there’s no reason to ever think about it again. It’s never in the way, never too loud, never too warm. Even repairs are unnecessary; if it breaks, just buy another. It’s only a couple hundred dollars, anyway.
This is a critical shift in the paradigm of computing. The barriers of space, power, and price are falling away in the face of wonderfully forgettable devices. Everyone can appreciate the simplicity of a PC that just works the moment it’s taken out of the box.
 
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Virgorising

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Not sure if I put up this link or not....I think I didn't......I have so many, after all.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-cutting-intel-out-of-mac-computers-2015-1

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New one....they jus keep on comin!!!

Intel's recently, giddily shared vision re WEARABLES! In part, cause they wanna factor females in more and we all want those!!!!

Forget the burgeoning demands of the DRONE MARKET!!! Soooo overlooked!
http://newsroom.intel.com/community.../01/06/intel-ceo-outlines-future-of-computing

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Finally: as per The Bard: DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, it's never the right thing to do.
 
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Essence_of_War

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Well if a blogger from BI can uncritically repeat a post from AI regarding an analysis report written by someone who doesn't work for Apple, it HAS to be true!

There is an entire blog industry based around wild, largely incoherent, speculation about what Apple is doing next. I would consider my sources very carefully before I just thread dumped them.
 

Virgorising

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Well if a blogger from BI can uncritically repeat a post from AI regarding an analysis report written by someone who doesn't work for Apple, it HAS to be true!

There is an entire blog industry based around wild, largely incoherent, speculation about what Apple is doing next. I would consider my sources very carefully before I just thread dumped them.

I get many impervious humans here in this thread. Makes me very sad given what it may reflect. It feels increasingly like goal tending.

Anyone can always come up with a reason to dismiss what they do not wanna believe......doomed isometrics and bad cardio.
 
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Essence_of_War

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Anyone can always come up with a reason to dismiss what they do not wanna believe

And anyone with 5 minutes and an internet connection can find someone in the world to back-up any position they want.
 

Virgorising

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And anyone with 5 minutes and an internet connection can find someone in the world to back-up any position they want.

U truly are Essence of War. I mean beyond the game. I am not a big fan of war unless one is absolutely necessary. Not only do I in no way resemble the species of human you need to reduce me to, I get paid to be the opposite re my modus vivendi.....I would have nobody in my life who did resembles that species.

Funny thing about truth.....someone can try to dismiss it, kill it, impugn it all they want....nothing changes it. i.e, evolution vs creationism.

Shame on you, Essence.
 
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