Homosexsuals...

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: classy
Whether you like oral sex, sex with other races, sex with more than one person at the same time, homosexual sex, bisexual sex, whether your into fat chicks, skinny chicks, dark chicks, whether they are tall, short, big breast, no breast, big butt, no butt, black hair, brunette, blond, a flaming red head, you like'em old, young, soft or muscular, from the back, from the front, in a shower, in the woods, in the rain, on the beach, no matter how you like it, in the end

WE ALL CHOOSE WHO WE WE SLEEP WITH AND HOW. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE.

you're talking about the sex part. so does that mean a straight couple who is into anal is homosexual? I don't think who we are attracted to is a choice. of course who you sleep with is a choice, but it's a direct result of who you are attracted too.

What he means is that homosexuality is such a choice that he chooses it all the time.

Moonfraud your little insults don't mean jack. I am not a homosexual, never will be a homosexual. Point is urges and desires don't add to it being right. And Moonpie no doubt in a homosexual relationship you would definately be the "woman"

Quite the contrary, Classy, my little insult seems to have poked you right in the ass, which of course, in your case could have been anywhere. Many of us are already fully aware that you butt your way into these 'homosexual threads' to drop a couple of homophobic slurs and then go on typically to boast of your prowess with women. You have exposed yourself, many times, as one of those sad sad black people who has internalized his racial inferiority feelings and exported them in the form of the same kind of bigotry toward others. We see this all over the world. One group, on which the terrible lie of inferiority, racial or any other kind, had been placed then turns around and creates another group beneath them on which they sh!t in turn. You feel worthless and need somebody you can dump that on. You have bought into the lie that you are inferior in exactly the same way as you think gays are. And you will always hate yourself as long as you hate others. But sadly this truth is so painful to you that you will not see. You are a white supremacist hiding behind your color.

OH I see. Because I don't agree with homosexuality, I am a gay basher. OH I see, because I am an outspoken black guy and don't bow down to the white superior attitude of some of the outright trash people on this board I am a racist. No Moonfraud, I am a proud individual who either posting on a forum board or in person will not kiss your stinking @ss or go along with everyone else because they believe its right. Personally as I have told you before, you are straight trash anyway. You always go with the flow and will quickly label somebody because they don't listen to your pathetic arguements. As far as homosexuality, until someone can prove otherwise it is a choice. Despite all of the scientific tests, the desire to be homosexual still comes down to the same way on who you choose to love or sleep with, its a choice. Now I am sorry if a lowlife like you can't accept that. I don't in any way support the mistreatment of a person who is gay. Do I support gay marriage, no I don't. And yes my belief is grounded in the the bible. And no I could care less whether you agree with me or not. Your lousy opinions based on your godless nature is your business. But don't get all bent out of shape labeling people bigots, but on the other hand you put down a person because they believe in God. You maggot

I can't wait till God Judges you. That will be a sight to see.

Your post is full of logical stupidity and plain old "this is the way it is, because I say so".

 

[nageov3t]

just gotta lay this out there... even if homosexuality is a 100% conscious and deliberate choice, so what?

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: classy
Whether you like oral sex, sex with other races, sex with more than one person at the same time, homosexual sex, bisexual sex, whether your into fat chicks, skinny chicks, dark chicks, whether they are tall, short, big breast, no breast, big butt, no butt, black hair, brunette, blond, a flaming red head, you like'em old, young, soft or muscular, from the back, from the front, in a shower, in the woods, in the rain, on the beach, no matter how you like it, in the end

WE ALL CHOOSE WHO WE WE SLEEP WITH AND HOW. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE.

you're talking about the sex part. so does that mean a straight couple who is into anal is homosexual? I don't think who we are attracted to is a choice. of course who you sleep with is a choice, but it's a direct result of who you are attracted too.

What he means is that homosexuality is such a choice that he chooses it all the time.

Moonfraud your little insults don't mean jack. I am not a homosexual, never will be a homosexual. Point is urges and desires don't add to it being right. And Moonpie no doubt in a homosexual relationship you would definately be the "woman"

Quite the contrary, Classy, my little insult seems to have poked you right in the ass, which of course, in your case could have been anywhere. Many of us are already fully aware that you butt your way into these 'homosexual threads' to drop a couple of homophobic slurs and then go on typically to boast of your prowess with women. You have exposed yourself, many times, as one of those sad sad black people who has internalized his racial inferiority feelings and exported them in the form of the same kind of bigotry toward others. We see this all over the world. One group, on which the terrible lie of inferiority, racial or any other kind, had been placed then turns around and creates another group beneath them on which they sh!t in turn. You feel worthless and need somebody you can dump that on. You have bought into the lie that you are inferior in exactly the same way as you think gays are. And you will always hate yourself as long as you hate others. But sadly this truth is so painful to you that you will not see. You are a white supremacist hiding behind your color.

OH I see. Because I don't agree with homosexuality, I am a gay basher. OH I see, because I am an outspoken black guy and don't bow down to the white superior attitude of some of the outright trash people on this board I am a racist. No Moonfraud, I am a proud individual who either posting on a forum board or in person will not kiss your stinking @ss or go along with everyone else because they believe its right. Personally as I have told you before, you are straight trash anyway. You always go with the flow and will quickly label somebody because they don't listen to your pathetic arguements. As far as homosexuality, until someone can prove otherwise it is a choice. Despite all of the scientific tests, the desire to be homosexual still comes down to the same way on who you choose to love or sleep with, its a choice. Now I am sorry if a lowlife like you can't accept that. I don't in any way support the mistreatment of a person who is gay. Do I support gay marriage, no I don't. And yes my belief is grounded in the the bible. And no I could care less whether you agree with me or not. Your lousy opinions based on your godless nature is your business. But don't get all bent out of shape labeling people bigots, but on the other hand you put down a person because they believe in God. You maggot

I can't wait till God Judges you. That will be a sight to see.

Your post is full of logical stupidity and plain old "this is the way it is, because I say so".

So when's your armegeddon coming this time? Hope you still have some of your canned peaches left in your bunker from teh yeer 2000!@#!

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

I can't wait till God Judges you. That will be a sight to see.

Your post is full of logical stupidity and plain old "this is the way it is, because I say so".

I have already been judged. Maybe you should read the book, before you start talking about judgement.

Romans 1:26-32

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I think you and few others need to pay close attention to verse 32. And by the way thats not from the old testament that is the new testament. And also Paul was taught by Jesus.

 

[jjzelinski]

God evangelism is irritating, what bunch of cooks

 

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
God evangelism is irritating, what bunch of cooks

lol, if you're going to insult someone, at least spell it correctly. It's kooks, not cooks.
This way, you won't look like such an ass.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: totalcommand

I can't wait till God Judges you. That will be a sight to see.

Your post is full of logical stupidity and plain old "this is the way it is, because I say so".

I have already been judged. Maybe you should read the book, before you start talking about judgement.

Romans 1:26-32

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I think you and few others need to pay close attention to verse 32. And by the way thats not from the old testament that is the new testament. And also Paul was taught by Jesus.

whatever happened to Matthew 7:12?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I find the conflict here between Vic and aidanjm to be most interesting in an incomprehensible sort of way and in some ways I find it sad. I see each person defending something good and responding to a perceived attack on that good in a bad way. This happens because each becomes convinced that there is an attack on the idea as well as the person. You aidanjm want to preserve the important notion that being gay is a choice in part, perhaps, because it thereby removes homosexuality form the real of phony Christian sin and Vic doesn't want the notion of 'predestination' for the sake of brevity, to lead to victimization and powerlessness:

Vic "What I do think is wrong is thinking that individuals are pawns in their lives, powerless to their genes, controlled by destiny and the stars, victims of cruel fate. Basically, aidanjm wants my pity and sympathy, and he will never have that. He does have my acceptance, but that only for being gay, and not for being such an asshole."

Personally, I think one can build bridges when one understands that, generally speaking, the conscious intention of the 'other' is good. I think there is room aplenty for both truths and that is what I would seek. There are plenty of examples, and therefore deep truth in the notion that people who think the stars control them often surrender to conditions they could easily change and we know how the Fundamentalist Christians twist choice into choosing sin. Both of these ideas are good and one does not negate the other.

This is a really good post, Moonie. You have once again displayed your excellent wisdom. I appreciate it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: totalcommand
I can't wait till God Judges you. That will be a sight to see.

Your post is full of logical stupidity and plain old "this is the way it is, because I say so".

I have already been judged. Maybe you should read the book, before you start talking about judgement.

Romans 1:26-32

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I think you and few others need to pay close attention to verse 32. And by the way thats not from the old testament that is the new testament. And also Paul was taught by Jesus.

whatever happened to Matthew 7:12?

Paul was the first corrupter of the faith. Romans 1 is a prediction of the fall of Rome and an explanation as to how its decadence will lead to its fall. That is all.
Classy hinges his statement that he has already be saved upon an incorrect interpretation that, upon being born again, he was freed from sin for the rest of his life. This is wrong (in fact, in Catholicism, it is heretical). Being free from sin, he has placed himself in the position of God as being thus free to judge and condemn his fellow humans. That is evil.
Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Vic
[whatever happened to Matthew 7:12?

Paul was the first corrupter of the faith. Romans 1 is a prediction of the fall of Rome and an explanation as to how its decadence will lead to its fall. That is all.
Classy hinges his statement that he has already be saved upon an incorrect interpretation that, upon being born again, he was freed from sin for the rest of his life. This is wrong (in fact, in Catholicism, it is heretical). Being free from sin, he has placed himself in the position of God as being thus free to judge and condemn his fellow humans. That is evil.
Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.[/quote]



Matthew 7:12 is the end part of Matthew 7:7-11. You can't just pull out 7:12 because it would be out of context. Same thing with Matthew 7:21 which is explained in verses Mattthew 7:15-20. Neither of these have zero to do with what is being discussed here. And Vic you are completetly clueless to tie in 7:21 with salvation. And Paul wrote Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Hebrews, Timothy I and II, Colossians, I and II Coritnthians, Titus, I and II Thessalonians. More than half of the new testament. So if he is a corrupter of faith, God certainly didn't see it that way. It is clear you absolutely no understanding of the new birth. And the Book of Romans is not even close to a prediction of what was going to happene in Rome. It was letter about Christ and how to live. Obviously you never read it. And please don't let me make fool out of you by posting the whole book here. The bulk of the book deals with the New Covenant and finishes with how to live, even talking about to conduct one's self concerning the natural government. Clearly you don't read and even lie about it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: classy
Whether you like oral sex, sex with other races, sex with more than one person at the same time, homosexual sex, bisexual sex, whether your into fat chicks, skinny chicks, dark chicks, whether they are tall, short, big breast, no breast, big butt, no butt, black hair, brunette, blond, a flaming red head, you like'em old, young, soft or muscular, from the back, from the front, in a shower, in the woods, in the rain, on the beach, no matter how you like it, in the end

WE ALL CHOOSE WHO WE WE SLEEP WITH AND HOW. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE.

you're talking about the sex part. so does that mean a straight couple who is into anal is homosexual? I don't think who we are attracted to is a choice. of course who you sleep with is a choice, but it's a direct result of who you are attracted too.

What he means is that homosexuality is such a choice that he chooses it all the time.

Moonfraud your little insults don't mean jack. I am not a homosexual, never will be a homosexual. Point is urges and desires don't add to it being right. And Moonpie no doubt in a homosexual relationship you would definately be the "woman"

Quite the contrary, Classy, my little insult seems to have poked you right in the ass, which of course, in your case could have been anywhere. Many of us are already fully aware that you butt your way into these 'homosexual threads' to drop a couple of homophobic slurs and then go on typically to boast of your prowess with women. You have exposed yourself, many times, as one of those sad sad black people who has internalized his racial inferiority feelings and exported them in the form of the same kind of bigotry toward others. We see this all over the world. One group, on which the terrible lie of inferiority, racial or any other kind, had been placed then turns around and creates another group beneath them on which they sh!t in turn. You feel worthless and need somebody you can dump that on. You have bought into the lie that you are inferior in exactly the same way as you think gays are. And you will always hate yourself as long as you hate others. But sadly this truth is so painful to you that you will not see. You are a white supremacist hiding behind your color.

OH I see. Because I don't agree with homosexuality, I am a gay basher. OH I see, because I am an outspoken black guy and don't bow down to the white superior attitude of some of the outright trash people on this board I am a racist. No Moonfraud, I am a proud individual who either posting on a forum board or in person will not kiss your stinking @ss or go along with everyone else because they believe its right. Personally as I have told you before, you are straight trash anyway. You always go with the flow and will quickly label somebody because they don't listen to your pathetic arguements. As far as homosexuality, until someone can prove otherwise it is a choice. Despite all of the scientific tests, the desire to be homosexual still comes down to the same way on who you choose to love or sleep with, its a choice. Now I am sorry if a lowlife like you can't accept that. I don't in any way support the mistreatment of a person who is gay. Do I support gay marriage, no I don't. And yes my belief is grounded in the the bible. And no I could care less whether you agree with me or not. Your lousy opinions based on your godless nature is your business. But don't get all bent out of shape labeling people bigots, but on the other hand you put down a person because they believe in God. You maggot

Here we see that Classy's self justification is that he speaks for God and is on his side and that I am, well, maybe the devil and deserve to die whereas I think his absolute belief, based on words in an old book, multiplied by millions like him, bring homosexuals violence and harm. The difference, if minor, between us, is that I know the kind of prison he's in and can see wherefore and why he acts as he does. I feel that as long as he can't see his own motivation at source in his need to believe that we can expect this behavior autamatonistically. I don't hate you, Classy, because you believe in God. I believe in Him too, but far differently. I believe God is the Real Self. I just poked you in your soft underbelly to expose the fanaticism lurking there. The hate you feel coming from me is the hate you have for yourself. If your maggot remarks bothered me it would only be my hate for myself. We are just the same. I know I am you but do you know you are me?

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Here we see that Classy's self justification is that he speaks for God and is on his side and that I am, well, maybe the devil and deserve to die whereas I think his absolute belief, based on words in an old book, multiplied by millions like him, bring homosexuals violence and harm. The difference, if minor, between us, is that I know the kind of prison he's in and can see wherefore and why he acts as he does. I feel that as long as he can't see his own motivation at source in his need to believe that we can expect this behavior autamatonistically. I don't hate you, Classy, because you believe in God. I believe in Him too, but far differently. I believe God is the Real Self. I just poked you in your soft underbelly to expose the fanaticism lurking there. The hate you feel coming from me is the hate you have for yourself. If your maggot remarks bothered me it would only be my hate for myself. We are just the same. I know I am you but do you know you are me?

What the...........? Dude you are about as flaky as a 3 dollar bill. Lets get this straight, you and I are nothing alike. Your flimsy belief in some weird god is your business. And please stop blaming the Bible because people don't want to worship homosexuals. So you can get off that trip right now. "God is the Real Self?", lol. You need help. seriously. Well I'll tell you what, you go and have a talk with your god or real self, lol, you do whatever it is you do, ok. Just so you know, drugs are bad for you Moonpie. Just say no, because it is clear you been taking something. And let me say this plain and simple. I view homosexuality as a sin, a choice, and just not very natural. I view it as more or less a sexual desire just like anything else. Now that's how I view it. Because I view that way, I don't support the practice of it. Just like I don't drink, do drugs, or watch porn. Do I hate those individuals who do those things, no, of course not. But will I have them as friends or support their agendas, no. Now if that makes me whatever, then thats what I am. While I don't like how aidanjm lives, I don't want any harm to come to him either. And trust me, if I was out somewhere and seen someone being attack because of this, oh its on and I would no question get to busting someone up. But I will never agree with it or support it. I wouldn't buy a prostitute either, but I sure wouldn't stand by and let one of them be hurt either. Now you go talk to your "god self", because it is clear guy you are far beynd the moon.

 

[rickn]

Classy, you aint got no Class. Dude, you're a maroon!

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Here we see that Classy's self justification is that he speaks for God and is on his side and that I am, well, maybe the devil and deserve to die whereas I think his absolute belief, based on words in an old book, multiplied by millions like him, bring homosexuals violence and harm. The difference, if minor, between us, is that I know the kind of prison he's in and can see wherefore and why he acts as he does. I feel that as long as he can't see his own motivation at source in his need to believe that we can expect this behavior autamatonistically. I don't hate you, Classy, because you believe in God. I believe in Him too, but far differently. I believe God is the Real Self. I just poked you in your soft underbelly to expose the fanaticism lurking there. The hate you feel coming from me is the hate you have for yourself. If your maggot remarks bothered me it would only be my hate for myself. We are just the same. I know I am you but do you know you are me?

What the...........? Dude you are about as flaky as a 3 dollar bill. Lets get this straight, you and I are nothing alike. Your flimsy belief in some weird god is your business. And please stop blaming the Bible because people don't want to worship homosexuals. So you can get off that trip right now. "God is the Real Self?", lol. You need help. seriously. Well I'll tell you what, you go and have a talk with your god or real self, lol, you do whatever it is you do, ok. Just so you know, drugs are bad for you Moonpie. Just say no, because it is clear you been taking something. And let me say this plain and simple. I view homosexuality as a sin, a choice, and just not very natural. I view it as more or less a sexual desire just like anything else. Now that's how I view it. Because I view that way, I don't support the practice of it. Just like I don't drink, do drugs, or watch porn. Do I hate those individuals who do those things, no, of course not. But will I have them as friends or support their agendas, no. Now if that makes me whatever, then thats what I am. While I don't like how aidanjm lives, I don't want any harm to come to him either. And trust me, if I was out somewhere and seen someone being attack because of this, oh its on and I would no question get to busting someone up. But I will never agree with it or support it. I wouldn't buy a prostitute either, but I sure wouldn't stand by and let one of them be hurt either. Now you go talk to your "god self", because it is clear guy you are far beynd the moon.

There are alot of things that humans do that are not natural. We nuture our weak, and breed with them. Poor eyesight is certain death in nature. It's just not natural to try to keep someone who is born blind alive. It's also not natural to practice abstinence in the name of God. You won't find that in nature.

Everyone sins, everyone. You, me, moonbeam. It's only in your mind that it's worse than any other sin. And as you know, there are alot of them.

As for it being a choice, well, it's no more a choice than being heterosexual. But yes, homosexual sex is a choice. Just as heterosexual sex is a choice. It's all in what you believe I guess, but who are you to tell anyone else what is wrong or right?

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: rickn
Classy, you aint got no Class. Dude, you're a maroon!

Wow you say that like it would hurt my feelings, lol. I could care less what you think.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: rickn
Classy, you aint got no Class. Dude, you're a maroon!

Wow you say that like it would hurt my feelings, lol. I could care less what you think.

and you sir are still a maroon! oh, and nobody gives a rats ass about what you think either. There, now we're even

 

[Tab]

Okay, how is homosexsual sex immoral exactly? Who's rights are being invalidated?

It's NOT a choice, if it is. Prove it.

 

[tcsenter]

This is really confusing me, if being "gay" isn't a defect or a disease... Than what is it exactly? Why are some people "gay" and others not? I know being gay is NOT a choice, I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.

Well there is a fair amount of homosexuality that is purely elective. Homosexuality has been and continues to be sufficiently deviant and out of the mainstream that it serves to attract the same type of persons who harbor a need or urge to engage in deviant or self-destructive behavior, be it drugs or criminality or sexual fetishes such as S&M.

The standard sexual practices for which gay bath houses are notorious have little to do with expressing love and affection, but inflicting or receiving pain, taking serious risks to one's health, reputation, or professional standing (rebelling), dominating, or being dominated. Nobody shoves their arm up someone's rectum half-way to the elbow because they want to express their love. I would add that heterosexuals are not immune from having extreme dysfunction, but heterosexuals aren't encouraged to believe their dysfunctional behavior and underlying pathology is 'normal and healthy'.

The consensus among psychologists and psychiatrists is not that homosexuality is 'normal' but that it is not curable or treatable, just as the consensus is that personality disorders are not curable or treatable. This is pretty much true for all sexual fetishes or severe personality dysfunction stemming from underlying pathology, such as people who cannot become sexually aroused unless their partner is wearing high heels, or has big smelly feet, or takes a big steaming dump on their face or in their mouth, etc. etc. or is of the same sex.

 

[ITJunkie]

nevermind......

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: classy
Matthew 7:12 is the end part of Matthew 7:7-11. You can't just pull out 7:12 because it would be out of context. Same thing with Matthew 7:21 which is explained in verses Mattthew 7:15-20. Neither of these have zero to do with what is being discussed here. And Vic you are completetly clueless to tie in 7:21 with salvation. And Paul wrote Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Hebrews, Timothy I and II, Colossians, I and II Coritnthians, Titus, I and II Thessalonians. More than half of the new testament. So if he is a corrupter of faith, God certainly didn't see it that way. It is clear you absolutely no understanding of the new birth. And the Book of Romans is not even close to a prediction of what was going to happene in Rome. It was letter about Christ and how to live. Obviously you never read it. And please don't let me make fool out of you by posting the whole book here. The bulk of the book deals with the New Covenant and finishes with how to live, even talking about to conduct one's self concerning the natural government. Clearly you don't read and even lie about it.

Context:
7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Context:
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Context (Matthew 22:34-40):
34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

I did not say the entire book of Romans, I said Romans 1, i.e. the first chapter of the Book of Romans. Paul talks about how he longs to preach the gospel to Rome, and then (depending on your interpretation) goes on about how God will punish Rome if they don't clean up their sinful ways, and how and why Rome deserves it. I enjoy the passage, as it is typical fire-and-brimstone Paul, but IMO the power of judgement lies solely with God and none other.
Let me ask you, Classy, just whose will is it that you would be done?

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

This is really confusing me, if being "gay" isn't a defect or a disease... Than what is it exactly? Why are some people "gay" and others not? I know being gay is NOT a choice, I know a couple gay people they did not choose this.

Well there is a fair amount of homosexuality that is purely elective. Homosexuality has been and continues to be sufficiently deviant and out of the mainstream that it serves to attract the same type of persons who harbor a need or urge to engage in deviant or self-destructive behavior, be it drugs or criminality or sexual fetishes such as S&M.

The standard sexual practices for which gay bath houses are notorious have little to do with expressing love and affection, but inflicting or receiving pain, taking serious risks to one's health, reputation, or professional standing (rebelling), dominating, or being dominated. Nobody shoves their arm up someone's rectum half-way to the elbow because they want to express their love. I would add that heterosexuals are not immune from having extreme dysfunction, but heterosexuals aren't encouraged to believe their dysfunctional behavior and underlying pathology is 'normal and healthy'.

The consensus among psychologists and psychiatrists is not that homosexuality is 'normal' but that it is not curable or treatable, just as the consensus is that personality disorders are not curable or treatable. This is pretty much true for all sexual fetishes or severe personality dysfunction stemming from underlying pathology, such as people who cannot become sexually aroused unless their partner is wearing high heels, or has big smelly feet, or takes a big steaming dump on their face or in their mouth, etc. etc. or is of the same sex.

That was actually pretty well put! But I think you're deluding yourself in that homosexuals are incapable of expressing love through sex. How could you possibly know one way or the other? I don't claim to know, but I would say the authority on the subject are homosexuals themselves. Why don't you ask one?

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: classy
Matthew 7:12 is the end part of Matthew 7:7-11. You can't just pull out 7:12 because it would be out of context. Same thing with Matthew 7:21 which is explained in verses Mattthew 7:15-20. Neither of these have zero to do with what is being discussed here. And Vic you are completetly clueless to tie in 7:21 with salvation. And Paul wrote Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Hebrews, Timothy I and II, Colossians, I and II Coritnthians, Titus, I and II Thessalonians. More than half of the new testament. So if he is a corrupter of faith, God certainly didn't see it that way. It is clear you absolutely no understanding of the new birth. And the Book of Romans is not even close to a prediction of what was going to happene in Rome. It was letter about Christ and how to live. Obviously you never read it. And please don't let me make fool out of you by posting the whole book here. The bulk of the book deals with the New Covenant and finishes with how to live, even talking about to conduct one's self concerning the natural government. Clearly you don't read and even lie about it.

Context:
7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Context:
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Context (Matthew 22:34-40):
34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

I did not say the entire book of Romans, I said Romans 1, i.e. the first chapter of the Book of Romans. Paul talks about how he longs to preach the gospel to Rome, and then (depending on your interpretation) goes on about how God will punish Rome if they don't clean up their sinful ways, and how and why Rome deserves it. I enjoy the passage, as it is typical fire-and-brimstone Paul, but IMO the power of judgement lies solely with God and none other.
Let me ask you, Classy, just whose will is it that you would be done?

At least you didn't try give those ridiculous explanations. Those scriptures are very well explained when taken in context. And you need to read. The book of Romans was written to the church of Rome and did not have anything to do with Rome. There is no prediction, the passage deals with sin and the outcome. And finally what is the will of God? How can you fulfill 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' while at the same time clinging to sin? How can you quote any scripture in the New Testament and like a complete fool discount the scriptures written by a person who wrote over half of it? Are you kidding me? Hey look, you obviously want to think you can do whatever you want and its ok, but you are sadly mistaken. And you ask about the will of God, boy you are so far from the truth you literally are decieveing yourself into thinking you can pick and choose want you want to accept. A lost person has a better chance of doing the will of God than you. Your not just lost, you are a decieved person. You are just like those folks who smoke crack and think they won't get addicted, its called being decieved. Guy, I am serious, you have to joking, right? I seriously hope your just doing this to bust my stones, cause if your not..........................

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: ntdz
It's a genetic defect. Very simple.

We shall purify them

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: loki8481
just gotta lay this out there... even if homosexuality is a 100% conscious and deliberate choice, so what?

They are going to hell with their choice, and bringing us with them. Isn't that obvious? Sheesh.

 

[jjzelinski]

Teh geys are spreadin! If we start to coexist it will rub off on us and ten we wil nevar get into hevan!