Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All the Bible proves is that the same bigoted morons who are around now were around then too.
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
God says so. I usually try to go by what he says, seeing as he is more powerful than me and all that stuff...
You have made no conclusive argument, you've simply parroted some half-truth from a book. Give me a convincing argument why homosexuality is a) wrong and b) detrimental to our society.
a) I will tell you once more, it is wrong because God says it is. He created sex for a husband and wife ONLY.
b) It is detrimental to our society because it teaches people that it is ok to just do whatever you want and not obey God.
Originally posted by: Mardeth
Homosexuals are gay.
Originally posted by: AUMM
so according to christianity if i steal a candy bar or brutally murder someone its all the same?
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All the Bible proves is that the same bigoted morons who are around now were around then too.
agreement++
God hates all sin equally
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
God hates all sin equally
Well, there goes the loving god that most people speak of.
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Sorry it has been awhile since my last post, I was eating dinner and then watching Seinfeld.
I believe that the reason that Lot offered his daughters to the men was because they were threataning violence if he didn't hand over the angels so that the men could sleep with them. Lot figured that if he appeased them with his daughters, they wouldn't want to have sex with the angels or men.
Yes Zakath, there were lots of extramarital relationships, and prostitutes in earlier times, and these things were still considered sin. Just because something happened in the Bible, doesn't mean it was a good thing.
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
God hates all sin equally
Well, there goes the loving god that most people speak of.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Sorry it has been awhile since my last post, I was eating dinner and then watching Seinfeld.
I believe that the reason that Lot offered his daughters to the men was because they were threataning violence if he didn't hand over the angels so that the men could sleep with them. Lot figured that if he appeased them with his daughters, they wouldn't want to have sex with the angels or men.
Yes Zakath, there were lots of extramarital relationships, and prostitutes in earlier times, and these things were still considered sin. Just because something happened in the Bible, doesn't mean it was a good thing.
Like King David and his 900 concubines? Yep, he was an outstanding man of god. That right there proves that sex was meant for monogamous, heterosexual relationships only.
If God didn't love us, he most definetly wouldn't have sacrificed his son for us.
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
If God didn't love us, he most definetly wouldn't have sacrificed his son for us.
That's great, except that his son is immortal. It's only a sacrifice if he remains dead.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
If God didn't love us, he most definetly wouldn't have sacrificed his son for us.
That's great, except that his son is immortal. It's only a sacrifice if he remains dead.
Couple of different thoughts on that. To properly and completely atone for said sin, a blood sacrifice was required - i.e. Jesus in the flesh had to die. God's resurrection of, well, himself, was symbolic of his victory over sin and the destruction of the power of Sin (Death) over mankind.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
If God didn't love us, he most definetly wouldn't have sacrificed his son for us.
That's great, except that his son is immortal. It's only a sacrifice if he remains dead.
Couple of different thoughts on that. To properly and completely atone for said sin, a blood sacrifice was required - i.e. Jesus in the flesh had to die. God's resurrection of, well, himself, was symbolic of his victory over sin and the destruction of the power of Sin (Death) over mankind.
To properly and completely atone for said sin, a blood sacrifice was required
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
To properly and completely atone for said sin, a blood sacrifice was required
Why the need for a blood sacrifice?
I wasn't really all that interested in you elaborating on if you thought there was a god, I was already pretty sure of your feelings on that. I was hoping for something more along the lines of the religious explanation of homosexuality and bisexuality shown by multiple species of animals. Does satan tempt animals too or is that just an irrelevant fluke?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Soybomb
You didn't invent god but many believe he was invented to explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable. People don't like not having answers. But I don't like to get too much in my beliefs I'm just curious how you would look at animals that exhibit homosexual behavior? Is satan just a busy guy who gets his evil groove on by having some gay dolphins or bi chimps going at it, or is that just unimportant and ignored since they aren't people?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!
There is no way that God was invented by anyone. He created us (altough I guess some people still believe in evolution). He even actually used to speak to people (wow I bet that was freaky).
Originally posted by: Soybomb
I wasn't really all that interested in you elaborating on if you thought there was a god, I was already pretty sure of your feelings on that. I was hoping for something more along the lines of the religious explanation of homosexuality and bisexuality shown by multiple species of animals. Does satan tempt animals too or is that just an irrelevant fluke?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Soybomb
You didn't invent god but many believe he was invented to explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable. People don't like not having answers. But I don't like to get too much in my beliefs I'm just curious how you would look at animals that exhibit homosexual behavior? Is satan just a busy guy who gets his evil groove on by having some gay dolphins or bi chimps going at it, or is that just unimportant and ignored since they aren't people?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!
There is no way that God was invented by anyone. He created us (altough I guess some people still believe in evolution). He even actually used to speak to people (wow I bet that was freaky).
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: LadyJessica
To properly and completely atone for said sin, a blood sacrifice was required
Why the need for a blood sacrifice?
I cannot give an answer to that right off the bat. I've asked the question before, and gotten an answer, but I don't currently remember it.
It has been said that God gave his Son as a sacrifice to atone for the sin so that the laws and regulations governing the lives of the Jews would no longer be binding - they would not spend their lives attempting to "earn" their way into heaven, it was given as a gift in the form of Jesus' sacrifice.
Not the best answer, but it's what I remember.
So then some animals just happen to be gay for various reasons but people are tempted by a force of evil? I just struggle with thatOriginally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Soybomb
I wasn't really all that interested in you elaborating on if you thought there was a god, I was already pretty sure of your feelings on that. I was hoping for something more along the lines of the religious explanation of homosexuality and bisexuality shown by multiple species of animals. Does satan tempt animals too or is that just an irrelevant fluke?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Soybomb
You didn't invent god but many believe he was invented to explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable. People don't like not having answers. But I don't like to get too much in my beliefs I'm just curious how you would look at animals that exhibit homosexual behavior? Is satan just a busy guy who gets his evil groove on by having some gay dolphins or bi chimps going at it, or is that just unimportant and ignored since they aren't people?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!
There is no way that God was invented by anyone. He created us (altough I guess some people still believe in evolution). He even actually used to speak to people (wow I bet that was freaky).
Because animals don't go to heaven or hell, I doubt that Satan cares what it is that they do. But when I get to heaven, I'll make sure and ask God that one.