Homosexuality

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15
I have never seen gay animals.

Link

Note to Mods: It's Rotten dot com, but there's nothing remotely offensive at that link.

 

[0roo0roo]

Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation: The Definitive Guide to the Evolutionary Biology of Sex
You'll learn why one stick-insect copulation lasts for 10 weeks (to prevent other males from gaining access to the fertile female) and why the black-winged damselfly's penis has bristles (to scrape out his rival's sperm). You'll learn that male and female orangutans masturbate with sex toys fashioned from leaves and twigs, that slugs are hermaphrodites with penises on their heads, and that females in more than 80 species eat their lovers before, during, or after sex. You'll also ponder human sexuality when you learn that "monogamy is one of the most deviant behaviors in biology" (although jackdaws, chinstrap penguins, California mice, and some termites swear by it) and "natural selection, it seems, often smiles on strumpets."



has some disturbing examples of how nothing is sexually "normal" in the animal kingdom

there are probably better books out, but this is pretty new.


next time someone talks to you about how their view of sex is the "natural" one ordained by god or whomever, you'll realize they are just ignorant.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Soybomb
You believe in god and you haven't seen him and you're questioning gay animals because you haven't seen them? Google....theres alot of animals that can be bi or gay.

I never said I didn't believe in gay animals, I just said that I had never seen any.

I honestly can say that at this time, I have no answer for this, but I will look for one and post back later.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

God hates all sin equally

Well, there goes the loving god that most people speak of.

Way to twist words. He hates all sin, not all sinners. There is a difference. Learn it.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

God says so. I usually try to go by what he says, seeing as he is more powerful than me and all that stuff...

You have made no conclusive argument, you've simply parroted some half-truth from a book. Give me a convincing argument why homosexuality is a) wrong and b) detrimental to our society.

Give a convincing argument to why evolution is true?


Let me ask you this, if we are able to prove there is a God, and there the bible is true, will you then believe homosexuality is wrong?


Assume you say yes to this question, we can prove that the Bible is true. Many things spoken of in the bible have been proven true. Noah's Ark anyone? Amongst many other things. I have to go to class in 10 minutes, but when I get home Ill be sure to provide you with some proof.


Oh and btw, many evolution scientists have set out to prove the bible wrong and have ended up proving it right. Dwell on that for awhile.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

God says so. I usually try to go by what he says, seeing as he is more powerful than me and all that stuff...

You have made no conclusive argument, you've simply parroted some half-truth from a book. Give me a convincing argument why homosexuality is a) wrong and b) detrimental to our society.

Give a convincing argument to why evolution is true?

We're not talking about evolution. If you want to hear facts behind evolution, check out the hundreds of evolution threads the fundies love to ignore.

Let me ask you this, if we are able to prove there is a God, and there the bible is true, will you then believe homosexuality is wrong?

Will I be able to still eat pork? Would I give my wife and daughters as sex slaves, and can my daughters bare my children? If so, I'll give you that homosexuality is wrong.

Assume you say yes to this question, we can prove that the Bible is true. Many things spoken of in the bible have been proven true. Noah's Ark anyone? Amongst many other things. I have to go to class in 10 minutes, but when I get home Ill be sure to provide you with some proof.

Many things in history books have been proven true also.

 

[Dmitri47]

homosexuality is for those chicks that look like guys to be able to find lovers

 

[Orsorum]

The Bible has been held to a certain level of historical validity, particularly in layouts of certain cities and various major historical events. Noah's Ark has not been found, IIRC, but there is some evidence for a catastrophic flood in the Caspian Sea region (or something like that) around the time that the story of Noah (or Gilgamesh, or whomever) would have taken place.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

God says so. I usually try to go by what he says, seeing as he is more powerful than me and all that stuff...

You have made no conclusive argument, you've simply parroted some half-truth from a book. Give me a convincing argument why homosexuality is a) wrong and b) detrimental to our society.

Give a convincing argument to why evolution is true?
Let me ask you this, if we are able to prove there is a God, and there the bible is true, will you then believe homosexuality is wrong?
Assume you say yes to this question, we can prove that the Bible is true. Many things spoken of in the bible have been proven true. Noah's Ark anyone? Amongst many other things. I have to go to class in 10 minutes, but when I get home Ill be sure to provide you with some proof.
Oh and btw, many evolution scientists have set out to prove the bible wrong and have ended up proving it right. Dwell on that for awhile.

I'm sure that anyone who sets out to "prove the Bible wrong" will be sorely disappointed, for the Old Testament (in particular) has a very strong basis in a storytelling role of Jewish history.

I am, however, disputing the role of basing your life on the literal translation of a text that has much, much more value as a symbolic and cultural script.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

God says so. I usually try to go by what he says, seeing as he is more powerful than me and all that stuff...

You have made no conclusive argument, you've simply parroted some half-truth from a book. Give me a convincing argument why homosexuality is a) wrong and b) detrimental to our society.

Give a convincing argument to why evolution is true?
Let me ask you this, if we are able to prove there is a God, and there the bible is true, will you then believe homosexuality is wrong?
Assume you say yes to this question, we can prove that the Bible is true. Many things spoken of in the bible have been proven true. Noah's Ark anyone? Amongst many other things. I have to go to class in 10 minutes, but when I get home Ill be sure to provide you with some proof.
Oh and btw, many evolution scientists have set out to prove the bible wrong and have ended up proving it right. Dwell on that for awhile.

I'm sure that anyone who sets out to "prove the Bible wrong" will be sorely disappointed, for the Old Testament (in particular) has a very strong basis in a storytelling role of Jewish history.

I am, however, disputing the role of basing your life on the literal translation of a text that has much, much more value as a symbolic and cultural script.

I would not suggest trying to base your entire life around the teachings of the Old Testement, because there are quite a few outdated laws in there. I choose to live (or try at least) on the New Testement and the teachings of Jesus.

 

[BLoop]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

God says so. I usually try to go by what he says, seeing as he is more powerful than me and all that stuff...

You have made no conclusive argument, you've simply parroted some half-truth from a book. Give me a convincing argument why homosexuality is a) wrong and b) detrimental to our society.

Give a convincing argument to why evolution is true?
Let me ask you this, if we are able to prove there is a God, and there the bible is true, will you then believe homosexuality is wrong?
Assume you say yes to this question, we can prove that the Bible is true. Many things spoken of in the bible have been proven true. Noah's Ark anyone? Amongst many other things. I have to go to class in 10 minutes, but when I get home Ill be sure to provide you with some proof.
Oh and btw, many evolution scientists have set out to prove the bible wrong and have ended up proving it right. Dwell on that for awhile.

I'm sure that anyone who sets out to "prove the Bible wrong" will be sorely disappointed, for the Old Testament (in particular) has a very strong basis in a storytelling role of Jewish history.

I am, however, disputing the role of basing your life on the literal translation of a text that has much, much more value as a symbolic and cultural script.

I would not suggest trying to base your entire life around the teachings of the Old Testement, because there are quite a few outdated laws in there. I choose to live (or try at least) on the New Testement and the teachings of Jesus.

I think it's unfortunate that while you feel it's all right for you to choose which parts of the Bible you base your life and actions on, others can't do that for themselves. Unless of course, if they agree with your interpretations.

 

[zzzz]

I would not suggest trying to base your entire life around the teachings of the Old Testement, because there are quite a few outdated laws in there. I choose to live (or try at least) on the New Testement and the teachings of Jesus.

Isn't the "new" testament sort of old now? Isn't it possible that there are some outdated laws in it as well? (regarding homosexuality in particular)

King David could have hundreds of wife and still be a holy person because it was ok back in day; similarly, could it be that homosexuality was a sin because it was not ok back in those days ?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: zzzz

I would not suggest trying to base your entire life around the teachings of the Old Testement, because there are quite a few outdated laws in there. I choose to live (or try at least) on the New Testement and the teachings of Jesus.

Isn't the "new" testament sort of old now? Isn't it possible that there are some outdated laws in it as well? (regarding homosexuality in particular)

King David could have hundreds of wife and still be a holy person because it was ok back in day; similarly, could it be that homosexuality was a sin because it was not ok back in those days ?

Maybe this can help a little to explain things.

And no I don't consider the new testament to be old. The reason that I consider the old testament to be old is because there is something that has been given by God to replace it. This replacement is the new testament. And since God has not given us a newer set of rules to live by, the new testament is what I live by.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Homosexuality is a temptation caused by satan.

Blind intolerance is worse.

Like the blind intolerance towards to word of God?

 

[bluemax]

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.

I'm having trouble with the Bible's morality...[/quote]

Read the verses before it. Lot took his daughters out of the city and they lived alone far away from civilization. With no chance of wedding, the daughters feared the bloodline would end. So they got father drunk and laid with him while he was sleeping. Lot didn't approve, otherwise he'd have merrily boinked away with them like so many fathers do today. :|

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Homosexuality is a temptation caused by satan.

Blind intolerance is worse.

Like the blind intolerance towards to word of God?

The words of your God are not those of my God. Your intolerance and hatred only further denigrate the loving nature of the Father.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's supposed to fix somebody's problem with Bible morality?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
That's supposed to fix somebody's problem with Bible morality?

No, it just helps them justify their own uncomfortable denial and explain their unneeded hatred and condemnation of other people.

 

[bluemax]

I would not suggest trying to base your entire life around the teachings of the Old Testement, because there are quite a few outdated laws in there. I choose to live (or try at least) on the New Testement and the teachings of Jesus.

Noble idea, except most laws never became "outdated". The only exception was the sacrificial system ended since Jesus was the sacrifice the ceremony had been leading up to the whole time. Leaders would have continued the sacrificial system in the temple had not the curtain be torn the instant Jesus died. (Most people probably won't have a CLUE what I'm talking about.)

People love to think it's just enough to believe, but Jesus even said, "If you love me, obey my commandments."

But talk about digressing, eh?


Well, medically speaking, there's a very good reason that AIDS was known as the "Gay Disease" for so long... the lining of the anus is easily ruptured causing bleeding and allowing infected fluids easy transfer. If you donate blood, you'll realize why they ask if you've EVER had male+male sex, or been with someone who had been. Medically speaking, it's not just wrong but DANGEROUS.

But let's face it, the world is in a downward spiral where pleasures are getting more and more perverse. Just look at the variety of porn sites to choose from! Poop, animals, murder, babies, infants, rape, incest, torture, parents/children and the latest craze- murder & blood p0rn.
No, it's not new, but it's becoming worse and worse, as well as more and more common. Gay is no longer a big deal, and Will & Grace is a great TV show for the kids to watch with GenX mommy and daddy! Someday you too can have sex with whatever makes you happy! Animals, corpses, infants, disabled helpless senior citizens... don't ever let anyone strip you of your personal freedoms!

I hope you see what I'm getting at.

 

[bluemax]

Like the blind intolerance towards to word of God?

The words of your God are not those of my God. Your intolerance and hatred only further denigrate the loving nature of the Father.[/quote]

Okaaaayyyy... :Q Whatever "Father" you're talking about is not the God of Abraham (which goes beyond Christianity/Muslim/etc...)

Sound more like you support, "Personal freedom, no matter what the cost!"
You do realize the cost, even if "there is no God" in the picture?

 

[bluemax]

I'll say this... one of the things that is contributing to the downward spiral of morality, is the notion of getting an idea in their heads (from TV, popular opinion, parenting, whatever...) and then closing their eyes and ears and blindly carry forth with that idea without any further thought. (Think, "LALALALALA!! I can't hear you! I'm not listening! I still believe what I believe and nothing you can say will change it! LALALALALAAA")

This applies to both religious and non - in both religious matters and non.

Edit: Typo. Oops!

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Like the blind intolerance towards to word of God?

The words of your God are not those of my God. Your intolerance and hatred only further denigrate the loving nature of the Father.

Okaaaayyyy... :Q Whatever "Father" you're talking about is not the God of Abraham (which goes beyond Christianity/Muslim/etc...)

Sound more like you support, "Personal freedom, no matter what the cost!"
You do realize the cost, even if "there is no God" in the picture?[/quote]

There is always a cost for one's actions. If you think that homosexuality is somehow unique to 20th-century American culture, I have some old, old stories to tell you.

Pray tell, what is the cost, in your opinion?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: bluemax
I'll say this... one of the things that is contributing to the downward spiral or morality, is the notion of getting an idea in their heads (from TV, popular opinion, parenting, whatever...) and then closing their eyes and ears and blindly carry forth with that idea without any further thought. (Think, "LALALALALA!! I can't hear you! I'm not listening! I still believe what I believe and nothing you can say will change it! LALALALALAAA")

This applies to both religious and non - in both religious matters and non.

Oh, my, someone else said something similar earlier in this thread - you're giving me quite a good laugh tonight. Are you honestly naive enough to think that contemporary Christian "morality" is either a) altruistic, b) constant, or c) based in historical fact?

Sounds like the only one here who's saying "I still believe what I believe and nothing you can say will change it" is you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry Zac if that wasn't clear. your post wasn't there when I was posting. I was refering to: Read the verses before it. Lot took his daughters out of the city and they lived alone far away from civilization. With no chance of wedding, the daughters feared the bloodline would end. So they got father drunk and laid with him while he was sleeping.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: bluemax

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.

I'm having trouble with the Bible's morality...

Read the verses before it. Lot took his daughters out of the city and they lived alone far away from civilization. With no chance of wedding, the daughters feared the bloodline would end. So they got father drunk and laid with him while he was sleeping. Lot didn't approve, otherwise he'd have merrily boinked away with them like so many fathers do today. :|[/quote]

As many fathers have done throughout history.