Homosexuality

[BMdoobieW]

Ali G! Just saw that show for the first time last week!

 

[BMdoobieW]

Originally posted by: Fixxors
It's true man, jesus is gods son! God was kickin it with santa one day and he looked down at mary and was like "yo awesome dude, check that mamma jamma out!!" "Ho ho ho!" Santa laughed, and god said "Peace out yo, I'm bout ta get all up in dat!" So down he went and he got his holy penis all up in her (man was built in god's image so you KNOW that deity's got himself a righteous schlong!) And mary was like "damn yo!, now I can't get married!", and god said unto dat ho, "sheeyit, every little thing that we do, be between me an you!" And he spoke of her intact hymen, and so was.

But then he hooked up moses with some 411, and started layin down who won wars and whatnot. Things got all twacked out and god was like "DAAAAYUM!, I had no idea dis was gunna happen. Um. I gotta bounce yall, stay cool. Here, worshsip dis.." And he tossed down a holy bible, so dat man could continue to slay each other and spread hate and ignorance in gods name. And so god bounced and thats why nobody seen dat awesome dude in over a millenium yo. Truth.

Your first paragraph is funny. I don't really get the second one.

 

[0roo0roo]

my link was about literal vs the more thoughtful historical-critical interpretations of the bible.

 

[Moonbeam]

My framework is a psychological intrepretation of religious mythology and the inner implications for consciousness. Aside form being a joke, religion has an inner reality. People are generally of two minds. They accept the joke as real or they laugh at the joke. Almost everybody misses the inner reality. Not the real Christian though, or the real anybody of any religion.

 

[Metalloid]

So let me see if I have this correct. I believe in the Bible as being real. You believe in it, but you think it is a joke?

 

[element]

I'm straight but I'll throw in my theory anyway. I only read some of the posts in this long ass thread so hope I'm not rehashing what someone else said.

Anyway theory goes like this: Homosexuality is an errant genetic mutation of sorts that may or may not be by design for the human race. I believe humans have errant genetics in order to be able to adapt and evolve. If your genes didn't mutate, how would you evolve? You wouldn't. Creatures that don't evolve would be less likely to successfully carry on their genes by procreation.

Getting back to original question of, if this is genetic then why hasn't it "died off". The reason is because even if your parents aren't passing on that gene to you, your gene could still have mutated. Also perhaps some homosexuals or bisexuals try to have hetero relationships and raise a family anyway. Course in that case they would be bi and not homo, but you get the idea.

Now whether God exists or not and whether evolution and genetic mutation is by design of that God or just luck of the draw I'll leave to the theologians whom can debate it all day but find no answer...yet.

Now perhaps some might be upset that I just categorized their lifestyle as a disease like cancer, diabetes or the like, but it's just a theory and I could be wrong, so you're welcome to disagree.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

I always wonder what the point of anyone posting the Christian point of view in these threads is. It's fairly cut-and-dried and almost always ends in a flame fest. Metalloid - You're entitled to your beliefs, but that's all they are to most of is. It comes across as very forceful and (resists temptation to use the word bigoted ) harsh when you state as fact things which most of us here disagree with. It comes across as almost the complete opposite of the compassion which Christianity should have at it's heart.

So let me see if I have this correct. I believe in the Bible as being real. You believe in it, but you think it is a joke?

It very much depends on how you define real. I believe that the Bible exists but I would never interpret the whole thing literally or indeed apply all the laws therein exactly as written.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: vladgur

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Fixxors
It's true man, jesus is gods son! God was kickin it with santa one day and he looked down at mary and was like "yo awesome dude, check that mamma jamma out!!" "Ho ho ho!" Santa laughed, and god said "Peace out yo, I'm bout ta get all up in dat!" So down he went and he got his holy penis all up in her (man was built in god's image so you KNOW that deity's got himself a righteous schlong!) And mary was like "damn yo!, now I can't get married!", and god said unto dat ho, "sheeyit, every little thing that we do, be between me an you!" And he spoke of her intact hymen, and so was.

But then he hooked up moses with some 411, and started layin down who won wars and whatnot. Things got all twacked out and god was like "DAAAAYUM!, I had no idea dis was gunna happen. Um. I gotta bounce yall, stay cool. Here, worshsip dis.." And he tossed down a holy bible, so dat man could continue to slay each other and spread hate and ignorance in gods name. And so god bounced and thats why nobody seen dat awesome dude in over a millenium yo. Truth.

Shut up and leave. We are trying to have a civilized discussion and you come in here making a mochery of it? I hope God has more patience with you then I would if I were him.

this a public forum, who the hell are you to tell him to shut up and leave?

I thought it was a funny example of applying modern pop-culture to the "miracle" of so-called immaculate conception...

And I thought it was an ignorant, uneducated way of showing what an Asshat he is.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorta like Woodchuck. Neither literal or joke, but like I said, a repository of higher truth occluded with lots on man made, or ego derived
junk. And may I assume you haven't fallen in love with a guy yet? You're worce than I am with evasion.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000
I always wonder what the point of anyone posting the Christian point of view in these threads is. It's fairly cut-and-dried and almost always ends in a flame fest. Metalloid - You're entitled to your beliefs, but that's all they are to most of is. It comes across as very forceful and (resists temptation to use the word bigoted ) harsh when you state as fact things which most of us here disagree with. It comes across as almost the complete opposite of the compassion which Christianity should have at it's heart.

So let me see if I have this correct. I believe in the Bible as being real. You believe in it, but you think it is a joke?

It very much depends on how you define real. I believe that the Bible exists but I would never interpret the whole thing literally or indeed apply all the laws therein exactly as written.

I was in no way intending to force my ideas on you guys. If I did, then I am sorry. I was only attempting to shed some light on a subject that, in my opinion, is very well explained by the Bible. Unfortunatly, I got flamed for it (even though I was not guilty of being a bigot or homophobe or whatever other people called me), but I was aware that I would get flamed even before I posted.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorta like Woodchuck. Neither literal or joke, but like I said, a repository of higher truth occluded with lots on man made, or ego derived
junk. And may I assume you haven't fallen in love with a guy yet? You're worce than I am with evasion.

I am interested in hearing which parts of the Bible you consider to be truth, and which parts you consider to be false.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorta like Woodchuck. Neither literal or joke, but like I said, a repository of higher truth occluded with lots on man made, or ego derived
junk. And may I assume you haven't fallen in love with a guy yet? You're worce than I am with evasion.

I am interested in hearing which parts of the Bible you consider to be truth, and which parts you consider to be false.

It's not necessarily a question of truth, it's a question of how you decide to interpret it.

I would definitely not try to interpret the whole bible literally. The Creation, for instance, gets fundamentalist christians in a twist when they try to interpret it literally because scientific evidence disagrees with the account in genesis (which, incidentally, is written in a style very similar to a children's book ie. vastly oversimplified.) It's impossible to interpret the Pslams and the Songs of Solomon literally and Revalations is also clearly not literal.

It's very hard to classify things such as the Psalms as absolute truth since they're essentialy poetry.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorta like Woodchuck. Neither literal or joke, but like I said, a repository of higher truth occluded with lots on man made, or ego derived
junk. And may I assume you haven't fallen in love with a guy yet? You're worce than I am with evasion.

I am interested in hearing which parts of the Bible you consider to be truth, and which parts you consider to be false.

It's not necessarily a question of truth, it's a question of how you decide to interpret it.

I would definitely not try to interpret the whole bible literally. The Creation, for instance, gets fundamentalist christians in a twist when they try to interpret it literally because scientific evidence disagrees with the account in genesis (which, incidentally, is written in a style very similar to a children's book ie. vastly oversimplified.) It's impossible to interpret the Pslams and the Songs of Solomon literally and Revalations is also clearly not literal.

It's very hard to classify things such as the Psalms as absolute truth since they're essentialy poetry.

I do agree with you in some parts here. Psalms and Proverbs and Song of Solomon are difficult to interpret, and they aren't historical books anyways.

Remember there are 3 types of OT books: Poetic, Historical, and Prophetic.

Revelation is nearly impossible to interpret because of all of the symbolism used, but that is still to come, so some of us will get to see just exactly what happens.

As far as Genesis vs. Science goes, having been a Christian since I was a small child, and believing almost undoubtedly, I disregard almost all scientific proof regarding how old the earth is and how it got here. I understand that this is much more difficult for some people do than it is for me.

 

[jhu]

i]and believing almost undoubtedly, I disregard almost all scientific proof regarding how old the earth is and how it got here.[/i]

believing undoubtedly since childhood? that could cause some problems

 

[Moonbeam]

Metaloid, what you call interested in what I believe, I call a desire to argue. Lots of people here think I just fell off the turnip truck. Actually I've been run over by them many times. I have had an endless number of arguments with people of faith who wish to persuade me of the truth. It's very difficult for people of faith to understand what's it's like to completely loose your faith and find something that is it's cognate in another dimension. I'm happy for you that you believe as you do. I will not sit by though when it is suggested there's something Biblically wrong with being homosexual as if it were a religious fact. Religious or not, it's bigotry, and none who hold the view that it's choice have ever been able to choose it and show me they are right.

 

[IGBT]

Is it true their all clock suckers??...........:Q

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Metaloid, what you call interested in what I believe, I call a desire to argue. Lots of people here think I just fell off the turnip truck. Actually I've been run over by them many times. I have had an endless number of arguments with people of faith who wish to persuade me of the truth. It's very difficult for people of faith to understand what's it's like to completely loose your faith and find something that is it's cognate in another dimension. I'm happy for you that you believe as you do. I will not sit by though when it is suggested there's something Biblically wrong with being homosexual as if it were a religious fact. Religious or not, it's bigotry, and none who hold the view that it's choice have ever been able to choose it and show me they are right.

I find this to be somewhat hypocritical. You tell me that because there is no solid proof that homosexuality is a choice that I am wrong, but I have never seen any proof that would prove that it is genetic?

And as far as it being wrong goes, it is a "religious fact." If God says it is wrong, who is to argue. Now whether you choose to follow God or not is your choice. You may think homosexuality is OK, but that doesn't negate the fact that homosexuality is proven to be wrong in Chrisitanity. God also says that murdering people is wrong, but is it a "religious fact?"

 

[Moonbeam]

Well you see, Metalloid, you didn't want to be called a bigot, but you are. A bigot is somebody who has their opinion of any one person predetermined by some religious or other external doctrine. You of course know that you can't be agrued with. You just wanted to stand up and blow your trumpet.

I like it. Murder and homosexuality all in the same breath. How comfortable you must be. Never have to think, just spout the rote routine. You have never seen any proof it's genetic. So what? You have all the proof an open mind would ever need to know it's not CHOICE which is the real issue. KISSED A BOY YET AND FELT THE HEAT? I didn't think so.

God made homosexuals, right? He must have known what he was doing, or is he a clown?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well you see, Metalloid, you didn't want to be called a bigot, but you are. A bigot is somebody who has their opinion of any one person predetermined by some religious or other external doctrine. You of course know that you can't be agrued with. You just wanted to stand up and blow your trumpet.

I like it. Murder and homosexuality all in the same breath. How comfortable you must be. Never have to think, just spout the rote routine. You have never seen any proof it's genetic. So what? You have all the proof an open mind would ever need to know it's not CHOICE which is the real issue. KISSED A BOY YET AND FELT THE HEAT? I didn't think so.

God made homosexuals, right? He must have known what he was doing, or is he a clown?

Once again I will say, God made man perfect in his image. We messed up and sinned, and that is why there are bad things in the world such as homosexuality. God is most certainly not a clown, like you.

And I don't judge people, I judge sin. This is why I am not a bigot. I do say that homosexuality is wrong, but I hold nothing against that person. People can change. Has there ever been someone who was a homosexual and gone straight? Sure, and that is why I don't hate them or judge them (it is also more proof that homosexuality isn't genetic).

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well you see, Metalloid, you didn't want to be called a bigot, but you are. A bigot is somebody who has their opinion of any one person predetermined by some religious or other external doctrine. You of course know that you can't be agrued with. You just wanted to stand up and blow your trumpet.

I like it. Murder and homosexuality all in the same breath. How comfortable you must be. Never have to think, just spout the rote routine. You have never seen any proof it's genetic. So what? You have all the proof an open mind would ever need to know it's not CHOICE which is the real issue. KISSED A BOY YET AND FELT THE HEAT? I didn't think so.

God made homosexuals, right? He must have known what he was doing, or is he a clown?

Once again I will say, God made man perfect in his image. We messed up and sinned, and that is why there are bad things in the world such as homosexuality. God is most certainly not a clown, like you.

And I don't judge people, I judge sin. This is why I am not a bigot. I do say that homosexuality is wrong, but I hold nothing against that person. People can change. Has there ever been someone who was a homosexual and gone straight? Sure, and that is why I don't hate them or judge them (it is also more proof that homosexuality isn't genetic).

I'm sure we would all like to see someone who could go from being straight to gay, as well.

 

[csh102]

beginning of unnecessary summary

Metalloid

Christian believes Bible is true.
Bible says Homo is wrong.
I am a Christian.

Therefore, I believe Homo is wrong.

Moonbeam, Zakath

You are a bigot.

end of unnecessary summary

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: csh102
beginning of unnecessary summary

Metalloid

Christian believes Bible is true.
Bible says Homo is wrong.
I am a Christian.

Therefore, I believe Homo is wrong.

Moonbeam

You are a bigot.

end of unnecessary summary

I was going to add myself to the opinion that Moonbeam holds, but hey.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yep you are a bigot because you believe homo is wrong. Not this homo, not that, but homo. You are a bigot because you believe a class of people are automatically wrong even before you see them or know any of them personally. One can wish outerwise but it's the definition of bigot. Funny huh? You probably never thought about it. A Christian doesn't become a bigot till he or she prejudges or tars a whole group with one brush. Real Christians don't, but then you wouldn't know.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh yea, gays go straight. Right. Bisexuals swing either way. Get real. Prove your argument by falling sexually in love with a guy. You're so damn sure of yourself and yet you refuse to take the easy way to prove it. What's with that. You'r like an astronaut in a spaceship with a window that says the world is flat. Ya just gotta look out the window, but you won't. You're rather be a believer in lies that a seer of frightening new truths. I know you well. I been there. It killed me to change. AHAHHAAAAA!

 

[iwearnosox]

Some people here need to take their homocil.?