Homosexuality

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow Honestly, if you even think about the word Homosexuality (the mind if a very visual thing), you've had a homosexual thought. If you read this following sentence, you've had a homosexual thought: Two guys getting it on. Honestly, anyone who says they have never had a homosexual thought is either a child, or has never been exposed to the thought of homosexuality.

I believe that what was meant by "homosexual thought," was that particular person imagining themselves commiting a homosexual act, or imagining homosexual activities and enjoying it. I have had homosexual thoughts, but only because you said "Two guys getting it on," not because I enjoy homosexual thoughts.

And enjoying it?!?! When do you have to enjoy a thought for it to be a thought?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? If you think of somebody getting killed, is it only a thought if you're the one getting killed or if you enjoy it?!?!?!?!

Read the first sentence of my last statement. They are not saying that they haven't had homosexual thoughts, they are just saying they don't have homosexual thoughts in which they are the homosexuals. I thought about two men having sex when you mentioned it, but I can never imagine myself as a homosexual.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I can prove that it is a choice. Given: Homosexuality is a sin. Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over. So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

Would you consider masturbation a sin? Mentally retarded people masturbate because they can. You said previously that you think self mutilation a sin. All people that have Lesch-Neehan syndrome mutilate themselves (or at least hurt themselves).

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

What do you say when a person who has downs syndrome murders someone?!?!

 

[Avatar26]

I think that anyone who presumes to know the thoughts and desires of a Deity (no matter what religion) is a fool.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow Honestly, if you even think about the word Homosexuality (the mind if a very visual thing), you've had a homosexual thought. If you read this following sentence, you've had a homosexual thought: Two guys getting it on. Honestly, anyone who says they have never had a homosexual thought is either a child, or has never been exposed to the thought of homosexuality.

I believe that what was meant by "homosexual thought," was that particular person imagining themselves commiting a homosexual act, or imagining homosexual activities and enjoying it. I have had homosexual thoughts, but only because you said "Two guys getting it on," not because I enjoy homosexual thoughts.

And enjoying it?!?! When do you have to enjoy a thought for it to be a thought?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? If you think of somebody getting killed, is it only a thought if you're the one getting killed or if you enjoy it?!?!?!?!

Read the first sentence of my last statement. They are not saying that they haven't had homosexual thoughts, they are just saying they don't have homosexual thoughts in which they are the homosexuals. I thought about two men having sex when you mentioned it, but I can never imagine myself as a homosexual.

Ahh, but you are making an assumption in the first part of that post.

 

[neonerd]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: wnied
Another thing, not everyone is gay (obviously), but everyone does have homosexual thoughts at some point in their lives

I refer back to what Sam Kinison said about this: "So I'm going through my dreams one day, and I'm looking for the one thats gay ....Because if its in there I WANT IT OUT!"

~wnied~

IMO, it's a natural aspect of one's sexuality. There is a certain amount of curiosity that is healthy in a child and young person. Whether they desire later on in life to live exclusively with a homosexual lifestyle is their choice.

 

[NeoPTLD]

this thread is so boring.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow Honestly, if you even think about the word Homosexuality (the mind if a very visual thing), you've had a homosexual thought. If you read this following sentence, you've had a homosexual thought: Two guys getting it on. Honestly, anyone who says they have never had a homosexual thought is either a child, or has never been exposed to the thought of homosexuality.

I believe that what was meant by "homosexual thought," was that particular person imagining themselves commiting a homosexual act, or imagining homosexual activities and enjoying it. I have had homosexual thoughts, but only because you said "Two guys getting it on," not because I enjoy homosexual thoughts.

And enjoying it?!?! When do you have to enjoy a thought for it to be a thought?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? If you think of somebody getting killed, is it only a thought if you're the one getting killed or if you enjoy it?!?!?!?!

Read the first sentence of my last statement. They are not saying that they haven't had homosexual thoughts, they are just saying they don't have homosexual thoughts in which they are the homosexuals. I thought about two men having sex when you mentioned it, but I can never imagine myself as a homosexual.

Ahh, but you are making an assumption in the first part of that post.

So ask the person who wrote the original statment what they meant by it.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I can prove that it is a choice. Given: Homosexuality is a sin. Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over. So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

Would you consider masturbation a sin? Mentally retarded people masturbate because they can. You said previously that you think self mutilation a sin. All people that have Lesch-Neehan syndrome mutilate themselves (or at least hurt themselves).

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

What do you say when a person who has downs syndrome murders someone?!?!

If that particular person can't tell right from wrong (And I know someone with down syndrome. Nicest kid I have ever met, and he can tell right from wrong.) then they should be watched closely by someone who can. If they still manage to kill someone, they should be put away in a special facility that CAN keep them under close watch, care for them, and keep them out of trouble. Having a disease or syndrome may make things more difficult, but it doesn't make killing someone ok.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I can prove that it is a choice. Given: Homosexuality is a sin. Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over. So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

Would you consider masturbation a sin? Mentally retarded people masturbate because they can. You said previously that you think self mutilation a sin. All people that have Lesch-Neehan syndrome mutilate themselves (or at least hurt themselves).

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

What do you say when a person who has downs syndrome murders someone?!?!

If that particular person can't tell right from wrong (And I know someone with down syndrome. Nicest kid I have ever met, and he can tell right from wrong.) then they should be watched closely by someone who can. If they still manage to kill someone, they should be put away in a special facility that CAN keep them under close watch, care for them, and keep them out of trouble. Having a disease or syndrome may make things more difficult, but it doesn't make killing someone ok.

What you said: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over."

Talk about flawed thinking

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I can prove that it is a choice. Given: Homosexuality is a sin. Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over. So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

Would you consider masturbation a sin? Mentally retarded people masturbate because they can. You said previously that you think self mutilation a sin. All people that have Lesch-Neehan syndrome mutilate themselves (or at least hurt themselves).

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

What do you say when a person who has downs syndrome murders someone?!?!

If that particular person can't tell right from wrong (And I know someone with down syndrome. Nicest kid I have ever met, and he can tell right from wrong.) then they should be watched closely by someone who can. If they still manage to kill someone, they should be put away in a special facility that CAN keep them under close watch, care for them, and keep them out of trouble. Having a disease or syndrome may make things more difficult, but it doesn't make killing someone ok.

What you said: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over."

Talk about flawed thinking

Yeah, and to this day I am yet to see someone sin simply because of a genetic defect.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I can prove that it is a choice. Given: Homosexuality is a sin. Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over. So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

Would you consider masturbation a sin? Mentally retarded people masturbate because they can. You said previously that you think self mutilation a sin. All people that have Lesch-Neehan syndrome mutilate themselves (or at least hurt themselves).

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

What do you say when a person who has downs syndrome murders someone?!?!

If that particular person can't tell right from wrong (And I know someone with down syndrome. Nicest kid I have ever met, and he can tell right from wrong.) then they should be watched closely by someone who can. If they still manage to kill someone, they should be put away in a special facility that CAN keep them under close watch, care for them, and keep them out of trouble. Having a disease or syndrome may make things more difficult, but it doesn't make killing someone ok.

What you said: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over." Talk about flawed thinking

Yeah, and to this day I am yet to see someone sin simply because of a genetic defect.

What if someone has a genetic defect that alters the brain in a why that they had no control over their own inhibitions, thus killing someone when they get a little perturbed?!?!?!

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I can prove that it is a choice. Given: Homosexuality is a sin. Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over. So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

Would you consider masturbation a sin? Mentally retarded people masturbate because they can. You said previously that you think self mutilation a sin. All people that have Lesch-Neehan syndrome mutilate themselves (or at least hurt themselves).

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

What do you say when a person who has downs syndrome murders someone?!?!

If that particular person can't tell right from wrong (And I know someone with down syndrome. Nicest kid I have ever met, and he can tell right from wrong.) then they should be watched closely by someone who can. If they still manage to kill someone, they should be put away in a special facility that CAN keep them under close watch, care for them, and keep them out of trouble. Having a disease or syndrome may make things more difficult, but it doesn't make killing someone ok.

What you said: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over." Talk about flawed thinking

Yeah, and to this day I am yet to see someone sin simply because of a genetic defect.

What if someone has a genetic defect that alters the brain in a why that they had no control over their own inhibitions, thus killing someone when they get a little perturbed?!?!?!

Well what if they were born with a shotgun in their hands and pulled the trigger when someone pricked them with a needle? What is your point?

But I guess that if there are people in the world that kill other people for no apparent reason just because they were born that way and have no control over it, then I don't know what to call that. Another one of those things that I will just have to find out later in life.

 

[Luagsch]

WOW!!! what a ç%ç&* thread.
some homophobic religious guys with leaders who fvck kids in tha ass glorifying the retardness of things written in an classic book who demises people of their judgement by giving the authority to a schizofrenic phantasy. when will they get over with....

(LET THE WAR BEGIN!!!!)

and no, i'm not ghey, yes i had homosexual phantasys but they didn't really turn me on. i wasn't revolt to them. i was just... guys fvcking each other in the ass, so what?

after civilisatory influence over thousands of years, yes egyptits and incas were civilisations too, who really can tell what's normal and what not, and on which basis? as somebody mentioned before even animals have homoseyual tendencies...

(well this is my first post which would have ban-potential for intollerance of intollerance...)

and every guy who doesn't like lesbian action must be ghey

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Avatar26
I think that anyone who presumes to know the thoughts and desires of a Deity (no matter what religion) is a fool.

First off, I only know some of the things that God wants, not all of them. And the only way that I know a few of his desires is because he tells us in the Bible. I don't know God's thoughts, but I do know what he expects out of his people.

 

[LadyJessica]

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

But how much of an exception do you think god gives? There are differing degrees of intelligence. Where would he draw the line? Does he give less credit to a highly intelligent person but more credit to a mentally retarded person? A lot of things aren't choices. And that doesn't make such things right or wrong.

 

[wfbberzerker]

just wondering... is homosexuality referred to in the new testament, old testament, or both?

 

[bluemax]

But how much of an exception do you think god gives? There are differing degrees of intelligence. Where would he draw the line? Does he give less credit to a highly intelligent person but more credit to a mentally retarded person? A lot of things aren't choices. And that doesn't make such things right or wrong.

I'll only say one thing more regarding this matter.
I've very, very glad that the exact specifics of "how much" are not up to us humans.
What's wrong is wrong, whether or not we are aware of it, whether we ignore it, whether we pretend it's okay and acceptable, whether or not it was done once or a thousand times, or whether we have the mental faculties to know something is wrong or not.
If we KNOW it's wrong and choose to do so anyways, it's worse than if noone has EVER told you it was wrong. How much worse? Does it matter? Is this question only asked with one purpose behind it? To discredit God's law so you can choose to ignore it with a clean conscience?
It's been spelled out pretty clearly what is best for us as a race - but leave it to us to either ignore the rules completely, or just bend them around any which way we want. End result? Just like the very beginning, we want to do anything we darn well please and don't want any limitations, even if they ARE for our own good.

There's only two sides to this battle... You're either FOR God, or AGAINST him. Simple.
God says sex with the same gender is wrong. Simple.
You're gay.... NOT simple! You now have to either decide to change the habits/mindset that were formed in infanthood (difficult, but far from impossible) or just go on being happy and 'gay'. (Boy that expression was much nicer before it had a different context... stupid english language.) Gay says, "I don't care what God says, I LIKE being gay!" or "I can't help it!" and doesn't want to change? Well, his fate rests in God's hands. I wouldn't dare presume to know where he's off to on "decision day".

And that's all I gots' tuh say about thaaat.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: LadyJessica

I do consider masturbation a sin (and one that I am guilty of). Are you sure that all mentally retarded people masturbate? That is really going out on a limb. I do believe that God has exceptions for mentally retarded people, because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend. Just like infants who are killed have on way of accepting Jesus as their savior. It is just one of those things I will find out when I die.

But how much of an exception do you think god gives? There are differing degrees of intelligence. Where would he draw the line? Does he give less credit to a highly intelligent person but more credit to a mentally retarded person? A lot of things aren't choices. And that doesn't make such things right or wrong.

I have no idea when God considers a person unable to make their own decisions.

But just out of curiosity, what things do you consider not to be choices (and don't say homosexuality)?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
just wondering... is homosexuality referred to in the new testament, old testament, or both?

Both

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: bluemax

But how much of an exception do you think god gives? There are differing degrees of intelligence. Where would he draw the line? Does he give less credit to a highly intelligent person but more credit to a mentally retarded person? A lot of things aren't choices. And that doesn't make such things right or wrong.

I'll only say one thing more regarding this matter.
I've very, very glad that the exact specifics of "how much" are not up to us humans.
What's wrong is wrong, whether or not we are aware of it, whether we ignore it, whether we pretend it's okay and acceptable, whether or not it was done once or a thousand times, or whether we have the mental faculties to know something is wrong or not.
If we KNOW it's wrong and choose to do so anyways, it's worse than if noone has EVER told you it was wrong. How much worse? Does it matter? Is this question only asked with one purpose behind it? To discredit God's law so you can choose to ignore it with a clean conscience?
It's been spelled out pretty clearly what is best for us as a race - but leave it to us to either ignore the rules completely, or just bend them around any which way we want. End result? Just like the very beginning, we want to do anything we darn well please and don't want any limitations, even if they ARE for our own good.

There's only two sides to this battle... You're either FOR God, or AGAINST him. Simple.
God says sex with the same gender is wrong. Simple.
You're gay.... NOT simple! You now have to either decide to change the habits/mindset that were formed in infanthood (difficult, but far from impossible) or just go on being happy and 'gay'. (Boy that expression was much nicer before it had a different context... stupid english language.) Gay says, "I don't care what God says, I LIKE being gay!" or "I can't help it!" and doesn't want to change? Well, his fate rests in God's hands. I wouldn't dare presume to know where he's off to on "decision day".

And that's all I gots' tuh say about thaaat.

I agree on almost everything you said. The only thing I disagree with is that homosexual tendencies are formed in infanthood. I am sure that for some people this is true, but for most people, it seems to come later in life. I don't know many 10 year olds that are gay.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

:Q WTF

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

:Q WTF

I've gotta agree with you on this one.

 

[wfbberzerker]

metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

Does all influences also mean NO RULES? If anything goes, I would imagine people would wind up getting their jollies just about any which way they like. Like now.

Of course, I could be wrong.