Homosexuality

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

I have to agree with this - at the age of ten, the concept of sexuality has not been introduced into a childs mind, they have to way of relating to it - this is why you cannot ask a child if they're heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. THe subject is just too complex for them to deal with.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

I have to agree with this - at the age of ten, the concept of sexuality has not been introduced into a childs mind, they have to way of relating to it - this is why you cannot ask a child if they're heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. THe subject is just too complex for them to deal with.

But if homosexuals are born that way, they should know when they are 10. See my point?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

I have to agree with this - at the age of ten, the concept of sexuality has not been introduced into a childs mind, they have to way of relating to it - this is why you cannot ask a child if they're heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. THe subject is just too complex for them to deal with.

Oops double post.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

It depends.... are they all boys?

Seriously, I think that their would be. Because we are all born into sin, without religion we will continue to be sinful, so there would be homosexuality. I don't think tv is a big influence. The people that are homosexuals aren't doing it for any reason except for the fact that they are living sinful lifestyles.

 

[Moonbeam]

Damn, are the bigots back?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: EngineNr9 I don't know many 10yr olds who are straight either....

I have to agree with this - at the age of ten, the concept of sexuality has not been introduced into a childs mind, they have to way of relating to it - this is why you cannot ask a child if they're heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. THe subject is just too complex for them to deal with.

But if homosexuals are born that way, they should know when they are 10. See my point?

How can they know if they have no concept of what you are asking them - no child would not be able to answer that question correctly. A child does not percieve themselves as a sexual creature, so they cannot answer that.

Do you need to take a general psychology or developemental psychology course to understand it a little better?

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

It depends.... are they all boys?

Seriously, I think that their would be. Because we are all born into sin, without religion we will continue to be sinful, so there would be homosexuality. I don't think tv is a big influence. The people that are homosexuals aren't doing it for any reason except for the fact that they are living sinful lifestyles.

but, how do you propose this sin is introduced onto them? if they are free from the influences from others, wouldn't there not be any way for them to learn of sin, being created in the image of god? although, i guess you could argue against this with adam and eve, since sin was introduced by the serpent.

 

[crazygal]

You guys would never have even heard of Satan if you were from a different time or a different place in the world yet you blindly follow what someone has told you just because there's a book about it...isn't that weird to you religious people at all?

If you were taught about a pizza god and a soda devil all your life, you'd be trying to tell us that Mr. Soda's carbonation is making people gay.

I can't see how you guys can ignore the rest of the world (*cough* ethnocentric *cough*) just because you think you're right.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

The idea was that 10 is generally before sexuality develops in children.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Damn, are the bigots back?

Gotta' love this kind of attitude. If you don't back something fully and support it you're some sort of bigot.
No, I don't support Gay rights or march in Gay Pride parades.

But I respect their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS and will never treat a gay person any less than I would anyone else. I'd say they'd get better treatment from me than they would from many others.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A Christian is somebody who knows God well enough to know when a book is lying about something he's supposed to have said.

Ehhh so you don't believe that the Bible is the word of God then. Do you believe that Jesus is God's son?

I believe that there is no "god".

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

It depends.... are they all boys?

Seriously, I think that their would be. Because we are all born into sin, without religion we will continue to be sinful, so there would be homosexuality. I don't think tv is a big influence. The people that are homosexuals aren't doing it for any reason except for the fact that they are living sinful lifestyles.

All this talk about god's making me randy. Where's a priest when you need one?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kaputnik03

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: wnied
Another thing, not everyone is gay (obviously), but everyone does have homosexual thoughts at some point in their lives

I refer back to what Sam Kinison said about this: "So I'm going through my dreams one day, and I'm looking for the one thats gay ....Because if its in there I WANT IT OUT!"

~wnied~

IMO, it's a natural aspect of one's sexuality. There is a certain amount of curiosity that is healthy in a child and young person. Whether they desire later on in life to live exclusively with a homosexual lifestyle is their choice.

What a witty retort. Are you going to grace us with a real reply, or are you just another fundamentalist troll?

 

[bluemax]

I believe that there is no "god".

Just remember those words when you meet Him.
Me? I've seen too much imperical evidence (and have been on the receiving end of too many miracles) in support of God than denying. Those who deny are doing only one thing, pronoucing they want to do life "their" way - and noone's going to tell THEM what to do.

Gosh... I wonder who started that?

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: bluemax

I believe that there is no "god".

Just remember those words when you meet Him.
Me? I've seen too much imperical evidence (and have been on the receiving end of too many miracles) in support of God than denying. Those who deny are doing only one thing, pronoucing they want to do life "their" way - and noone's going to tell THEM what to do.

Gosh... I wonder who started that?

I won't meet "him" because "he" doesn't exist I control my life. Do you read the bible? How old is the earth according to the bible?

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: Stefan
I believe that many things in life are learned. Humans are social animals, and much of the ways we act and the attitudes we have are a result of this social interaction we have with other people. I do also believe that our biology plays a big part in the ways we live our lives. I don't see any logical explanation why any one factor (nature or nurture) is the biggest factor in how we live our lives.

But now with homosexuality I am really puzzled.

If homosexuality is a learned sexual orientation, why is it lerned? There is really no social benefit to it. It often leads to discrimination and alienation from the rest of society.

If it is biological, why does it exist? It serves no reproductive benefits. Is it a mutation in the human gene that for some reason has survived?

Another thing, not everyone is gay (obviously), but everyone does have homosexual thoughts at some point in their lives. Why would this be? Could it be that the human is curious about things that society defines as wrong? Or could it be some expression of genetics?

What do you guys think?

Good now go tell the homo's that.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: Stefan
I believe that many things in life are learned. Humans are social animals, and much of the ways we act and the attitudes we have are a result of this social interaction we have with other people. I do also believe that our biology plays a big part in the ways we live our lives. I don't see any logical explanation why any one factor (nature or nurture) is the biggest factor in how we live our lives.

But now with homosexuality I am really puzzled.

If homosexuality is a learned sexual orientation, why is it lerned? There is really no social benefit to it. It often leads to discrimination and alienation from the rest of society.

If it is biological, why does it exist? It serves no reproductive benefits. Is it a mutation in the human gene that for some reason has survived?

Another thing, not everyone is gay (obviously), but everyone does have homosexual thoughts at some point in their lives. Why would this be? Could it be that the human is curious about things that society defines as wrong? Or could it be some expression of genetics?

What do you guys think?

Good now go tell the homo's that.

 

[Moonbeam]

So sad that a religion of love is used to condemn. There is, I suppose, on contradiction however obvious, that a fanatic can't buy into. Condemnation of homosexuality comes from a personal hell, not from God. Those who condemn do so because they are condemned already.

 

[LadyJessica]

What's wrong is wrong, whether or not we are aware of it, whether we ignore it, whether we pretend it's okay and acceptable, whether or not it was done once or a thousand times, or whether we have the mental faculties to know something is wrong or not.

Things are considered "wrong" only because we exist as "intelligent" entities to interpret them that way. Is there anything wrong with a volcano erupting? Is there anything wrong with an animal eating another animal? Or how about one animal killing another animal just because it exists? How about just killing on the face of it?

If we KNOW it's wrong and choose to do so anyways, it's worse than if noone has EVER told you it was wrong. How much worse? Does it matter? Is this question only asked with one purpose behind it? To discredit God's law so you can choose to ignore it with a clean conscience?

Again, we only know things are wrong because other people tell us that such things are wrong. Why do we wear clothing? Because other people tell us that we must wear clothing or else. Why is sex before marriage "wrong"? Because other people say it is. There is no real fundamental reason why one should precede the other.

It's been spelled out pretty clearly what is best for us as a race - but leave it to us to either ignore the rules completely, or just bend them around any which way we want. End result? Just like the very beginning, we want to do anything we darn well please and don't want any limitations, even if they ARE for our own good.

Oh really? Like what? Not eating seafood? Owning slaves?

 

[LadyJessica]

have no idea when God considers a person unable to make their own decisions.

But just out of curiosity, what things do you consider not to be choices (and don't say homosexuality)?

There are plenty of things that aren't choices: genetic makeup, your parents, birth history, intelligence, personality. That's just a few though.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

It depends.... are they all boys?

Seriously, I think that their would be. Because we are all born into sin, without religion we will continue to be sinful, so there would be homosexuality. I don't think tv is a big influence. The people that are homosexuals aren't doing it for any reason except for the fact that they are living sinful lifestyles.

but, how do you propose this sin is introduced onto them? if they are free from the influences from others, wouldn't there not be any way for them to learn of sin, being created in the image of god? although, i guess you could argue against this with adam and eve, since sin was introduced by the serpent.

I think you just answered your own question. Man WAS created in God's image, but because of the original sin, everyone is now born into sin. Therefore because we are all sinful without knowing God, there would be homosexuality.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: crazygal
You guys would never have even heard of Satan if you were from a different time or a different place in the world yet you blindly follow what someone has told you just because there's a book about it...isn't that weird to you religious people at all?

If you were taught about a pizza god and a soda devil all your life, you'd be trying to tell us that Mr. Soda's carbonation is making people gay.

I can't see how you guys can ignore the rest of the world (*cough* ethnocentric *cough*) just because you think you're right.

Ever heard of faith? I figured not. I don't believe in God blindly, I have felt him and have seen the effects of him in my life and the lives of other Christians.

I think someone has had too much caffeine.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Damn, are the bigots back?

Gotta' love this kind of attitude. If you don't back something fully and support it you're some sort of bigot.
No, I don't support Gay rights or march in Gay Pride parades.

But I respect their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS and will never treat a gay person any less than I would anyone else. I'd say they'd get better treatment from me than they would from many others.

Moonbeam has been attempting to torment me since this thread started.

And I too respect the basic human rights of homosexuals, and I don't treat them any less than any other person, because we are ALL sinners, and no sin is greater than another. If somone wants to tell me that swearing is wrong and I shouldn't do it anymore, then I welcome it with open arms. I agree, I should never swear, and I hate doing it (and I have been working on it and not doing it nearly as much lately). But Moonbeam, don't call me a bigot just because I say that homosexuality is wrong.

As I have said at least 10 times in this thread:
I HATE THE SIN, NOT THE SINNER.

Get it through your head and stop being a child.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
metalloid, ive got a question for you:

if you were to remove all societal influences on a group of children - that is, no tv, religion, nothing - and just let them grow up on their own, do you think there would be any homosexuality?

It depends.... are they all boys?

Seriously, I think that their would be. Because we are all born into sin, without religion we will continue to be sinful, so there would be homosexuality. I don't think tv is a big influence. The people that are homosexuals aren't doing it for any reason except for the fact that they are living sinful lifestyles.

All this talk about god's making me randy. Where's a priest when you need one?

I'm not Catholic just so you know, but a good joke regardless.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: bluemax

I believe that there is no "god".

Just remember those words when you meet Him.
Me? I've seen too much imperical evidence (and have been on the receiving end of too many miracles) in support of God than denying. Those who deny are doing only one thing, pronoucing they want to do life "their" way - and noone's going to tell THEM what to do.

Gosh... I wonder who started that?

I won't meet "him" because "he" doesn't exist I control my life. Do you read the bible? How old is the earth according to the bible?

You will cry for mercy the day you do. I am sorry to say it, but it's true. Listen to BlueMax, he knows what he is talking about.