Homosexuality

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: bluemax
Which is what this is really all about.
Homosexuality is wrong. Flat out. It would be a GOOD person's responsibility (if they knew the person) to condemn the act, while still being able to befriend the person. You might have heard the trite phrase, "hate the sin, love the sinner". You should be a friend enough to help the person out of their self-destructive behaviour. To correct, corretly.

Wrong? Flat out? Based on what?
In what way is it self-destructive? Have you heard of some mysterious rash of homosexuals spontaneously combusting?

This is interesting... if you think about it... earlier in this omnithread was the notion about the bible and statements regarding the condemnation of acts by Jesus... and then almost verbatim repeats by us mini gods as if we had the right... In society you may but regarding the house of God I think not... If God is God and the bible His word... then where does it read that we are charged with the responsibility to judge the behavior of others as it relates to God.
Often, a distinction between Heaven and Earth are made as well as society and the kingdom of God... So many things argue against the earthly judges... judge lest ye be judged, See to your own log before the splinter, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone... Which is the greater sin... Look...she puts oil on his feet....
Use society values to judge society... and leave to God that which is his alone..

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My dear Mettaloid, I'm sorry thi things I say disturb you. I'm only tryint to save you from the inner hell and outer hell your form of thinking creates in the world. I understand fully how comfortable it is to be one of a small number of the saved and I appreciate your effort to save me. It's just that I don't want to be saved by a system that's an exclusive culb reserved for only a select few who think a particular way. I want to save everybody. I like the Buddhists in that way. The Zen master says that "Everybody is enlightened." Naturally they have their own form of dues you have to pay. They add, "It would be nice to know it." But at least they say everybody, not just straights.

Now a big difference between you and me is that you are telling me the facts and I'm asking you questions. I ask them so you can see only if you want to. I ask so you can work some things out if you really were interested or walk away completely undisturbed if you do not.

The thing I don't like about dogmatic Christianity is that the few who can tolerate the bs you have to swallow to feel accepted drives away more than enter. That's my opinion, anyway. Your brand of religion causes outrage and hostility. Too much of a price for me. Religion is a bridge to reality, it's not a private toll bridge for a few with a big 'screw the rest of you' written across the entrance.

Fine Moonbeam, you can just go on living in your perfect LaLaLand where everyone is saved from Hell and no matter what you do, you are accepted just because. Keep telling yourself that when you die, God will say "Moonbeam, you screwed up sometimes in life, but even though you ignored my every command, persecuted my followers, and did everything wrong that you possibly could, I will let you into heaven anyways just because you are who you are. Big party at my house, and everyone is invited (He might as well let Satan in also)!" If that is the case, then why am I attempting to follow God's commands? If God could care less what I did and would let me into heaven anyways, I have to admit, I would be the biggest sinner in the world. I would go out and get drunk every night, and life would be one giant party, because in the end God will accept all of us anyway (even homos).

With this bit of Moonbeam fantasy world in mind, let me leave you with a verse:
Revelation 20:12, 15:
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Way to put words in God's mouth.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My dear Mettaloid, I'm sorry thi things I say disturb you. I'm only tryint to save you from the inner hell and outer hell your form of thinking creates in the world. I understand fully how comfortable it is to be one of a small number of the saved and I appreciate your effort to save me. It's just that I don't want to be saved by a system that's an exclusive culb reserved for only a select few who think a particular way. I want to save everybody. I like the Buddhists in that way. The Zen master says that "Everybody is enlightened." Naturally they have their own form of dues you have to pay. They add, "It would be nice to know it." But at least they say everybody, not just straights.

Now a big difference between you and me is that you are telling me the facts and I'm asking you questions. I ask them so you can see only if you want to. I ask so you can work some things out if you really were interested or walk away completely undisturbed if you do not.

The thing I don't like about dogmatic Christianity is that the few who can tolerate the bs you have to swallow to feel accepted drives away more than enter. That's my opinion, anyway. Your brand of religion causes outrage and hostility. Too much of a price for me. Religion is a bridge to reality, it's not a private toll bridge for a few with a big 'screw the rest of you' written across the entrance.

Fine Moonbeam, you can just go on living in your perfect LaLaLand where everyone is saved from Hell and no matter what you do, you are accepted just because. Keep telling yourself that when you die, God will say "Moonbeam, you screwed up sometimes in life, but even though you ignored my every command, persecuted my followers, and did everything wrong that you possibly could, I will let you into heaven anyways just because you are who you are. Big party at my house, and everyone is invited (He might as well let Satan in also)!" If that is the case, then why am I attempting to follow God's commands? If God could care less what I did and would let me into heaven anyways, I have to admit, I would be the biggest sinner in the world. I would go out and get drunk every night, and life would be one giant party, because in the end God will accept all of us anyway (even homos).

With this bit of Moonbeam fantasy world in mind, let me leave you with a verse:
Revelation 20:12, 15:
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That book of life refers to the believers in Jesus.... as the light and the way... but, if perfection is required for entry to heaven no one will be there... if less then perfection is allowed in.... just how imperfect may we be...
The Jews have a covenant with God since Moses and it is different than the covenant given us by Jesus and for all I know the Muslim may have yet another....
To castigate Moonbeam.... (a reflection of awsume illumination) for showing what one is suggesting is unchristian.

 

[Moonbeam]

Holy smokes Metalloid we're some alike and some different. I keep pointing out what I think because I think religion is real, that it opens a real door to a real other world, a different way of seeing, an experience of Love with a real big L. I don't like the idea of a religion turning people off to religion by being dogmatically on being the only way and everything else leads to hell. These are allegorical notions that have a reality in a higher understanding, not literal facts as presented. There is a heaven and a hell it's just something other than what they tell children. So you want to save people, and so do I. I don't like religion as a turn off. It should call like to like. We mean different things but have the same intention.

Now as to getting drunk and all that nonsense. I hold none of your beliefs. To me God is the inner potential of humanity, who we really are. My reality is the actual hell, separation from my real self. But I don't get drunk, I never steal, I try to be as good a person as I can not because I'm afraid I'll go to hell, but because I want to. The ticket to heaven has to be bought either by grace, can't be bought, or via self love through a realization that all self hate was programmed in as children and all of it's a lie. In either case doing good is just an expression of self love. Sin is self hate and self hate is hell. I can't steal because it would make me small. It would be an admission I can't get something I want honestly via my own effort. I would be saying by stealing or got drunk all the time that I'm worthless. Just because I feel that and was taught that doesn't mean I have to run out and prove it. Nope. I don't do those things because it would be a sin against my self.

Now since to me that self is God I don't need faith to find him. I need doubt, complete doubt in everything because the self is what you find when you lose everything else, when you lose all that you can lose. It's what you have after a shipwreck of the most complete kind. It's what's left when you are completely beaten, when you have abandoned all hope, when there is no exit, no escape, no nothing. It's what you find when you realize that even meaninglessness is meaningless, when, thump thump, your heart comes alive. It's you in the infinite silence of being.

Here comes the sun, little darling, here comes the sun!

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Holy smokes Metalloid we're some alike and some different. I keep pointing out what I think because I think religion is real, that it opens a real door to a real other world, a different way of seeing, an experience of Love with a real big L. I don't like the idea of a religion turning people off to religion by being dogmatically on being the only way and everything else leads to hell. These are allegorical notions that have a reality in a higher understanding, not literal facts as presented. There is a heaven and a hell it's just something other than what they tell children. So you want to save people, and so do I. I don't like religion as a turn off. It should call like to like. We mean different things but have the same intention.

Now as to getting drunk and all that nonsense. I hold none of your beliefs. To me God is the inner potential of humanity, who we really are. My reality is the actual hell, separation from my real self. But I don't get drunk, I never steal, I try to be as good a person as I can not because I'm afraid I'll go to hell, but because I want to. The ticket to heaven has to be bought either by grace, can't be bought, or via self love through a realization that all self hate was programmed in as children and all of it's a lie. In either case doing good is just an expression of self love. Sin is self hate and self hate is hell. I can't steal because it would make me small. It would be an admission I can't get something I want honestly via my own effort. I would be saying by stealing or got drunk all the time that I'm worthless. Just because I feel that and was taught that doesn't mean I have to run out and prove it. Nope. I don't do those things because it would be a sin against my self.

Now since to me that self is God I don't need faith to find him. I need doubt, complete doubt in everything because the self is what you find when you lose everything else, when you lose all that you can lose. It's what you have after a shipwreck of the most complete kind. It's what's left when you are completely beaten, when you have abandoned all hope, when there is no exit, no escape, no nothing. It's what you find when you realize that even meaninglessness is meaningless, when, thump thump, your heart comes alive. It's you in the infinite silence of being.

Here comes the sun, little darling, here comes the sun!

I was just using the thing about drinking to make a point, I really wouldn't do that stuff anyways.

But the only thing that I don't understand about you is why you simply cannot believe that there is a God (other than the one inside yourself which you seem to have). Where do you think you came from? Why do you think it is that you feel guilty when you do something wrong? What are your plans for eternity, I mean, do you have any idea whatsoever where you will go and why?

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My dear Mettaloid, I'm sorry thi things I say disturb you. I'm only tryint to save you from the inner hell and outer hell your form of thinking creates in the world. I understand fully how comfortable it is to be one of a small number of the saved and I appreciate your effort to save me. It's just that I don't want to be saved by a system that's an exclusive culb reserved for only a select few who think a particular way. I want to save everybody. I like the Buddhists in that way. The Zen master says that "Everybody is enlightened." Naturally they have their own form of dues you have to pay. They add, "It would be nice to know it." But at least they say everybody, not just straights.

Now a big difference between you and me is that you are telling me the facts and I'm asking you questions. I ask them so you can see only if you want to. I ask so you can work some things out if you really were interested or walk away completely undisturbed if you do not.

The thing I don't like about dogmatic Christianity is that the few who can tolerate the bs you have to swallow to feel accepted drives away more than enter. That's my opinion, anyway. Your brand of religion causes outrage and hostility. Too much of a price for me. Religion is a bridge to reality, it's not a private toll bridge for a few with a big 'screw the rest of you' written across the entrance.

Fine Moonbeam, you can just go on living in your perfect LaLaLand where everyone is saved from Hell and no matter what you do, you are accepted just because. Keep telling yourself that when you die, God will say "Moonbeam, you screwed up sometimes in life, but even though you ignored my every command, persecuted my followers, and did everything wrong that you possibly could, I will let you into heaven anyways just because you are who you are. Big party at my house, and everyone is invited (He might as well let Satan in also)!" If that is the case, then why am I attempting to follow God's commands? If God could care less what I did and would let me into heaven anyways, I have to admit, I would be the biggest sinner in the world. I would go out and get drunk every night, and life would be one giant party, because in the end God will accept all of us anyway (even homos).

With this bit of Moonbeam fantasy world in mind, let me leave you with a verse:
Revelation 20:12, 15:
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I guess this proves that you are really just a big piece of crap, and that the only reason you follow god or whatever, is because you want to get into heaven, so you are greedy. This just goes to show how fiction made up by man can control the unthinking masses, you are a prime example my friend.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: bluemax

I believe that there is no "god".

Just remember those words when you meet Him.
Me? I've seen too much imperical evidence (and have been on the receiving end of too many miracles) in support of God than denying. Those who deny are doing only one thing, pronoucing they want to do life "their" way - and noone's going to tell THEM what to do.

Gosh... I wonder who started that?

I won't meet "him" because "he" doesn't exist I control my life. Do you read the bible? How old is the earth according to the bible?

You will cry for mercy the day you do. I am sorry to say it, but it's true. Listen to BlueMax, he knows what he is talking about.

Whatever. Creationism is probably the biggest laugh I have ever heard.

 

[jhu]

Just remember those words when you meet Him.
Me? I've seen too much imperical evidence (and have been on the receiving end of too many miracles) in support of God than denying. Those who deny are doing only one thing, pronoucing they want to do life "their" way - and noone's going to tell THEM what to do.

Gosh... I wonder who started that?

why, god of course! what's the point of intelligence if you can't use it?

 

[Moonbeam]

What's the point of intelligence if you can't use it?
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How should I know. I'd have to be able to use it to answer, now wouldn't I.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: bluemax

I believe that there is no "god".

Just remember those words when you meet Him.
Me? I've seen too much imperical evidence (and have been on the receiving end of too many miracles) in support of God than denying. Those who deny are doing only one thing, pronoucing they want to do life "their" way - and noone's going to tell THEM what to do.

Gosh... I wonder who started that?

I won't meet "him" because "he" doesn't exist I control my life. Do you read the bible? How old is the earth according to the bible?

You will cry for mercy the day you do. I am sorry to say it, but it's true. Listen to BlueMax, he knows what he is talking about.

Whatever. Creationism is probably the biggest laugh I have ever heard.

I think that if there truely is a hell, people that say stuff like "you will cry for mercy the day you you do." should be the first ones to roast. Trying to get people to follow a 2 thousand year old novel by fear tactics, to me that is just plain evil.

 

[Metalloid]

TheShiz, why so antagonistic today? You attack me and the other Christians in this thread because we are trying to help you. Just because you refuse to let us try to save you doesn't mean that we should be the one's who burn in Hell.

Now get this in your head:
God didn't send his son Jesus to die on the cross and save anyone who accepts it because he wants us to be afraid. Without God, all of us would burn in Hell for all eternity. So why does him saving those who accept it all of a sudden make it a religion where "fear tactics" are used?

 

[Moonbeam]

Metalloid, the reason is because, while you think you are talking about reality, you are actually manufacturing one. You create in your head this illusion that people who don't believe something are going to hell whereas they are already in hell. You manufacture an unpleasant and intimidating notion that from the outside obviously reeks of fear just as you probably fear temptation and doubt. Hell is not being in heaven and the kingdom of heaven is within everybody. Poor Shiz there is already turned off to religion because of the preposterous nature of your claim. The absurd nature of a my way or the highway religion is that people reject it just like it claims to reject them. If Shiz could realize that he is already in hell, we all are perhaps it would be a bit easier to become curious about what this heaven thing could be. There is a certain unpleasantness to the notion we're in hell, I guess, but at least things like the longing we feel in our hearts for something or other we can't quite describe could maybe give us some clue we feel incomplete.

Naturally, if your moral code is based on a fear of going to hell, it's probably not so good of an idea for you to realize you're already there. In your case you'd probably just go on a rampage of hedonistic delight.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Metalloid, the reason is because, while you think you are talking about reality, you are actually manufacturing one. You create in your head this illusion that people who don't believe something are going to hell whereas they are already in hell. You manufacture an unpleasant and intimidating notion that from the outside obviously reeks of fear just as you probably fear temptation and doubt. Hell is not being in heaven and the kingdom of heaven is within everybody. Poor Shiz there is already turned off to religion because of the preposterous nature of your claim. The absurd nature of a my way or the highway religion is that people reject it just like it claims to reject them. If Shiz could realize that he is already in hell, we all are perhaps it would be a bit easier to become curious about what this heaven thing could be. There is a certain unpleasantness to the notion we're in hell, I guess, but at least things like the longing we feel in our hearts for something or other we can't quite describe could maybe give us some clue we feel incomplete.

Naturally, if your moral code is based on a fear of going to hell, it's probably not so good of an idea for you to realize you're already there. In your case you'd probably just go on a rampage of hedonistic delight.

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well you were the one who said you'd go on a rampage if you didn't believe.

 

[LunarRay]

Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.[/quote]

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well you were the one who said you'd go on a rampage if you didn't believe.

I was trying to make a point. Please don't take that literally.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...[/quote]

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15
TheShiz, why so antagonistic today? You attack me and the other Christians in this thread because we are trying to help you. Just because you refuse to let us try to save you doesn't mean that we should be the one's who burn in Hell.

Now get this in your head:
God didn't send his son Jesus to die on the cross and save anyone who accepts it because he wants us to be afraid. Without God, all of us would burn in Hell for all eternity. So why does him saving those who accept it all of a sudden make it a religion where "fear tactics" are used?

The whole notion of you "helping" us is absurd, because all you're doing is spreading more creationist bullshit.

 

[Moonbeam]

But no true Christian is a homosexual.
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But what if God doesn't know that.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15
TheShiz, why so antagonistic today? You attack me and the other Christians in this thread because we are trying to help you. Just because you refuse to let us try to save you doesn't mean that we should be the one's who burn in Hell.

Now get this in your head:
God didn't send his son Jesus to die on the cross and save anyone who accepts it because he wants us to be afraid. Without God, all of us would burn in Hell for all eternity. So why does him saving those who accept it all of a sudden make it a religion where "fear tactics" are used?

i'm talking about your fear tactics, you said "you will cry for mercy" that is a fear tactic. Also, with no god, we would simply die, how is the alternative that we will burn in hell, that makes no sense. You may think you "are trying to help me" but I certainly don't see it that way, i see yourself using fear tactics to try and get people to believe in a certain way. You cannot possibly know that behaving in these ways will lead to an eternity in heaven, yeah, some people have said it, and it was written in a book, I can't deny that. A lot of things have been said and written in books that I'm sure you don't believe in, so I don't see how it is hard for you to understand that I do not believe the things written in your book of choice. The bible does use fear tactics, the very idea of hell is one.

 

[LunarRay]

Quote by Metalloid 15

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.[/quote]

And Sir, I don't disagree with your above position. I Believe Jesus saved me but, as I said before I don't need the Preacher with the histrionics of fire and brimstone to secure that belief... in fact, I have no problem reading the bible and discerning good from evil... As in business "If it looks like a duck etc..." in my faith "if it smells of evil... etc." But, neither am I perfect... nor even close.... so if I am able to accept me as a child of Christ I am also able to accept anyone else regardless of their earthly proclivities. Not as a follower of the "Christian Faith" per se.. but, if they profess it "That they are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ" they are...
I'd only suggest that they (homo) do not live according to dogma of most organized churches and their acts are contrary to biblical script. But, that is no greater a sin than any other according to my understanding and although the Catholic Church says "if you die with mortal sin on your soul you go to hell" without the notion.... the essence of Jesus' own words... "I am the way..." I accept what Jesus promised me... again... eternal life... over anything I am unable to achieve or do being mear human.
I was educated by the best of the brain washing priests, the Jesuits and Nuns... notwithstanding this I, however, never got past the issue present in my heart since I can remember... Jesus... Jesus... not the Blessed Virgin, not Saint Patrick not how much I gave to the church or who I helped across the icy New York streets... simple little kid that I was never got past that and now at 56 years of age and closer to the end than the beginning of my experience here on earth I am more profoundly confident that there is no other way for ME. Ironic that with such fire in my heart I've never found myself having the opportunity to try and convince others to try it... I guess because if you find the catalyst in your own heart the rest bonds into place and nothing I say can create it... I don't even know how to seek it... only that it exists..
The acts of people are caused by all sorts of things that required individual attention to ascertain.. if one wanted to find out... I do know this, however, not all feet fit the same shoe... nor will the absence of shoes obviate a step or even two.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Metalloid, the reason is because, while you think you are talking about reality, you are actually manufacturing one. You create in your head this illusion that people who don't believe something are going to hell whereas they are already in hell. You manufacture an unpleasant and intimidating notion that from the outside obviously reeks of fear just as you probably fear temptation and doubt. Hell is not being in heaven and the kingdom of heaven is within everybody. Poor Shiz there is already turned off to religion because of the preposterous nature of your claim. The absurd nature of a my way or the highway religion is that people reject it just like it claims to reject them. If Shiz could realize that he is already in hell, we all are perhaps it would be a bit easier to become curious about what this heaven thing could be. There is a certain unpleasantness to the notion we're in hell, I guess, but at least things like the longing we feel in our hearts for something or other we can't quite describe could maybe give us some clue we feel incomplete.

Naturally, if your moral code is based on a fear of going to hell, it's probably not so good of an idea for you to realize you're already there. In your case you'd probably just go on a rampage of hedonistic delight.

I can't really see your view that we are in hell on earth. I enjoy life, I get good laughs from this thread, I have good conversations with friends, what is so bad about life on earth? I see it this way, the ONLY thing we know with some pretty good certainty is that we exist right now, you and me, we are here, it could be an illusion, but it is a very powerful one if it is. So, since if there is a god, it has decided not to make its presence obvious, why who can say. So either there is a god that doesn't really mess with earth, or there is no god. So what is one to do? Simple, enjoy the time we have here, and help others to enjoy it also. If there is a god, I would bet it would grant entrance to this heaven if it exists simply based on enjoying what it has created, I don't think as Mettaloid does that there people should be cast into a fiery doom for living like this. I want nothing to do with a god that does not make its presence definatively known who expects us to worship it. And guess what? if god is omnipotent then it knew I would think like this when it created me, so it has already decided my fate, you fellow humans cannot really have a meaningful part of my fate compared to an all knowing all powerful god.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.[/quote]

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?

 

[LunarRay]

quote by TheShiz
I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to you and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?[/quote]

If two sinners approached Jesus in their prayers and the first having committed the most awful of crimes, say Saddam, and asked Jesus into his heart and the second having just bedded his neighbors wife asked Jesus into his heart both doing so with all the sincerity they can muster, which will Jesus love more or less or will he simply smile upon both...
And as he turns his head toward the believer who wishes to classify sin according to some earthly code and utters "Judge as ye wish to be judged". There is the problem... mixing God's kingdom with earths... sin is of this world not part of God's and all fall short in that regard...