Homosexuality

[Moonbeam]

Love your post, HJD1. It's tough being on the outside looking in on such a fine faith. I hope you can forgive my unfortunate slant on things. I'm worried more about people like Shiz. He got truned off to something that's pretty cool. People like him and me could maybe go by a different way.

TheShiz, I know life can be cool. Maybe for the stuff Iwas saying you got ta be extremely hungry or profoundly curious. We really are in the matrix though, I think. We are under the command of a false self, a mechanicallity we are powerless to defeat. It has to die for us to get free. Its the ego, a false self. We are more than we know. Anyway, I aint a preacher exactly. Just something to consider.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Love your post, HJD1. It's tough being on the outside looking in on such a fine faith. I hope you can forgive my unfortunate slant on things. I'm worried more about people like Shiz. He got truned off to something that's pretty cool. People like him and me could maybe go by a different way.

TheShiz, I know life can be cool. Maybe for the stuff Iwas saying you got ta be extremely hungry or profoundly curious. We really are in the matrix though, I think. We are under the command of a false self, a mechanicallity we are powerless to defeat. It has to die for us to get free. Its the ego, a false self. We are more than we know. Anyway, I aint a preacher exactly. Just something to consider.

Beemer, I read your posts very very carefully and I've no doubt your heart is filled with goodness and love. You are not on the outside looking in... I see you looking inside yourself to try and understand what you find.. You have faith possibly more than I. You in what you feel and understand and me in what I see in me... I hardly ever look into anothers heart... their mind (behaviour) You Bet... but, their heart... only when I see something so profound as you explain your heart to be... and, no doubt, after a long search. You explain, for all, that ones heart can not contain hot and cold at the same time or good and evil...the para on "hell is within".. I feel many can find ease in that evaluation... however, evil to me causes sin and a good heart can also commit sin and one whose heart is at one with Jesus can commit sin too. So If I commit sin because I am week am I less than I ought to be... perhaps but, if I were super human and never capable of sin... I'd not need Jesus... I do and am just an ordinary person...
Beemer, You may use differn't names or words to define your essence than I would use to define mine but, I'd not wish to wager on the differnce.

 

[Moonbeam]

I used to not believe in the Devil till I noticed how I drive. If I were to called myself ordinary, I'm afraid that description would best be defined as flattery. In Zen there is Satori and every minute Zen. That every minute thingi is a toughie.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I used to not believe in the Devil till I noticed how I drive. If I were to called myself ordinary, I'm afraid that description would best be defined as flattery. In Zen there is Satori and every minute Zen. That every minute thingi is a toughie.

There is much to learn of the Buddist as well as others but, the Buddist has something interesting that I can't quite grasp or understand... what is Zen and Satori?

The artist who renders the oil upon the canvas has only his eye to judge his effort.... the passerby who looks in awe and wishes it for himself secures the doubt with rope of golden truth...

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Love your post, HJD1. It's tough being on the outside looking in on such a fine faith. I hope you can forgive my unfortunate slant on things. I'm worried more about people like Shiz. He got truned off to something that's pretty cool. People like him and me could maybe go by a different way.

TheShiz, I know life can be cool. Maybe for the stuff Iwas saying you got ta be extremely hungry or profoundly curious. We really are in the matrix though, I think. We are under the command of a false self, a mechanicallity we are powerless to defeat. It has to die for us to get free. Its the ego, a false self. We are more than we know. Anyway, I aint a preacher exactly. Just something to consider.

Alright, what makes you admit defeat to the ego? what do you want to do but cannot, and why? Fear of (unknown, ridicule, doubt). We are more than we know, I can see that, there is really no way i can argue against that possibility. Recently I've been reading a book about evolution, and it seems to make sense. So i believe that we are the descendents of creatures that crawled and swam around in the ocean. If this is true, then are bugs also more than they seem? Lets say evolution took a different turn and you turned out to be a turtle, do you think you would be constrained by your turtle ego? Or would you be a truely free turtle? So in a way your increased brain capacity has thus constrained you to this matrix of the ego?

on another slant i go, you know I'd like to try and live in the wild sometime, although i don't know how well i'd fare. We humans all in our nice clean dwellings have created a new world, most of the time cut off of what allowed us to develop and thrive in the first place.

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I don't dislike homosexuals, I dislike the act of homosexuality. I strongly dislike the act of saying its ok and teaching kids to sin more because they have to be "themselves" Society has caused so many more homosexuals simply because they are not realizing they are teaching kids that its ok to give into temptation.

I dislike the act of saying it's ok to be prejudiced and teaching kids that it's ok to be a bigot because they have to "hate people that are different".

And this is where I stop reading this thread...

If you honestly believe what you just implied about fundamentalist Christians, then you don't understand them at all. I don't think you even read Cuda's post. If you had, you would have noticed his first statement: "I don't dislike homosexuals."

I'm sorry, but some of the most intolerant people in the world are those who will club you over the head with "tolerance."

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: EpsiIon

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I don't dislike homosexuals, I dislike the act of homosexuality. I strongly dislike the act of saying its ok and teaching kids to sin more because they have to be "themselves" Society has caused so many more homosexuals simply because they are not realizing they are teaching kids that its ok to give into temptation.

I dislike the act of saying it's ok to be prejudiced and teaching kids that it's ok to be a bigot because they have to "hate people that are different".

And this is where I stop reading this thread...

If you honestly believe what you just implied about fundamentalist Christians, then you don't understand them at all. I don't think you even read Cuda's post. If you had, you would have noticed his first statement: "I don't dislike homosexuals."

I'm sorry, but some of the most intolerant people in the world are those who will club you over the head with "tolerance."

I think it is hard for people to differentiate "hate" with "you will burn in hell", and that is quite understandable. If i were to say to christians that they are the ones who will burn in hell for what they do, but I do not hate them, they would probably take it the same way, and figure I hate them. There are a lot of good opinions in this thread, so why stop at one that you do not like?

 

[LunarRay]

Quote by The Shiz

I think it is hard for people to differentiate "hate" with "you will burn in hell", and that is quite understandable. If i were to say to christians that they are the ones who will burn in hell for what they do, but I do not hate them, they would probably take it the same way, and figure I hate them. There are a lot of good opinions in this thread, so why stop at one that you do not like?[/quote]

When I was attending St. Johns All I ever heard was "the only true faith is the Catholic Faith" every one else would be spending big time in purgetory unless they bought some indulgences... or worse... In the hood where I lived no one churchified so only me and my grandma would walk to the nearest church and look upon the faces of those we'd not see in heaven as we made the trek.... I thought that was what she was doing... until.... during the mass the priest was talking about all the people who are so called Christians and why they'd be penalized and the other religions had no hope at all..... then... up stood my grandma... and with her thick Irish brogue challenged the priest with words and fire I'd never heard before.. the church about three fourths full sat in silence as this went on for maybe ten minutes... She let him have it up one side and down the other as she went to the front of the church with me in tow.. to insure her points were made.. "Show me where the book your hand rests on relates the hate you are spreading" she said. "Where has God said these things" The priest red faced and angry by now sought to pacify grandma.... she'd have non of it... she demanded the priest confine his comments to the word of God and omit the dogma of hate in the house of Love... as we made our way down the other side toward the back... where we had been sitting a strangeness came over her as though she didn't know how we got to where we were... We sat... and when the mass ended she rose to leave... people came by and said "Alice, that was wonderfull." they had tears running down their faces as they spoke to her.... But, she had no idea what they referred to.. She asked me on the way home... what was all the hullabaloo about... I was now scared... Grandma was always sharp as a tack... did she really not remember... what did I witness? To this day I wonder about that sunday morning and who it was that spoke the words in a way so clear, so powerfull, so demanding. I don't know... and my grandma never remembered the episode... I do know it was not her..
I've carried that with me to this day and each time I want to say something about anothers belief I refrain because I think I may have heard the word of God that day comming from the mouth of the poorest and frailest person he could have chosen... my grandma!
Before you seek to deny heaven to another insure your own destiny...

 

[Moonbeam]

Jesus, HDJ1, that raises the hairs on the neck. Incredible. I'm probably going to wonder about that for the rest of my life.

 

[Ranger X]

It's entertaining to see people get so worked up because someone decides to speak their mind. I think it's better to speak your mind than to sugar coat everything because you're afraid of what others might think about you.

 

[leinadM]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
I think it's better to speak your mind than to sugar coat everything because you're afraid of what others might think about you.

I haven't read the thread, so I don't know which side you are on. But what you said above is 100% right.

 

[jhu]

i was going to mention how wondefully articulate and thought out your words are, but instead i'll just say that you're an ass

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Jesus, HDJ1, that raises the hairs on the neck. Incredible. I'm probably going to wonder about that for the rest of my life.

She was faced with religious persecution all the time being catholic in Armagh.. now part of Northern Ireland maybe she just lost it... I don't know but, the message stands on its own... hate begets hate.

 

[BigToquex]

Metalloid,

Fine Moonbeam, you can just go on living in your perfect LaLaLand where everyone is saved from Hell and no matter what you do, you are accepted just because. Keep telling yourself that when you die, God will say "Moonbeam, you screwed up sometimes in life, but even though you ignored my every command, persecuted my followers, and did everything wrong that you possibly could, I will let you into heaven anyways just because you are who you are. Big party at my house, and everyone is invited (He might as well let Satan in also)!" If that is the case, then why am I attempting to follow God's commands? If God could care less what I did and would let me into heaven anyways, I have to admit, I would be the biggest sinner in the world. I would go out and get drunk every night, and life would be one giant party, because in the end God will accept all of us anyway (even homos).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you were not condemmed for sinning if you don't believe in God. I mean, he won't punnish you because you didn't know, or because of ignorance, etc. I thought that he would only punnish you if you believed everything and still knowingly committed the sins.

Is that right?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15
TheShiz, why so antagonistic today? You attack me and the other Christians in this thread because we are trying to help you. Just because you refuse to let us try to save you doesn't mean that we should be the one's who burn in Hell.

Now get this in your head:
God didn't send his son Jesus to die on the cross and save anyone who accepts it because he wants us to be afraid. Without God, all of us would burn in Hell for all eternity. So why does him saving those who accept it all of a sudden make it a religion where "fear tactics" are used?

i'm talking about your fear tactics, you said "you will cry for mercy" that is a fear tactic. Also, with no god, we would simply die, how is the alternative that we will burn in hell, that makes no sense. You may think you "are trying to help me" but I certainly don't see it that way, i see yourself using fear tactics to try and get people to believe in a certain way. You cannot possibly know that behaving in these ways will lead to an eternity in heaven, yeah, some people have said it, and it was written in a book, I can't deny that. A lot of things have been said and written in books that I'm sure you don't believe in, so I don't see how it is hard for you to understand that I do not believe the things written in your book of choice. The bible does use fear tactics, the very idea of hell is one.

Without God we would not simply die. Without God we wouldn't be here in the first place.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?[/quote]

I admit that there are no sins greater than others. So, because I know that things that I do are sin, I try to correct them. I have never met a homosexual that is actively trying to stop having sex with other men.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: BigToque
Metalloid,

Fine Moonbeam, you can just go on living in your perfect LaLaLand where everyone is saved from Hell and no matter what you do, you are accepted just because. Keep telling yourself that when you die, God will say "Moonbeam, you screwed up sometimes in life, but even though you ignored my every command, persecuted my followers, and did everything wrong that you possibly could, I will let you into heaven anyways just because you are who you are. Big party at my house, and everyone is invited (He might as well let Satan in also)!" If that is the case, then why am I attempting to follow God's commands? If God could care less what I did and would let me into heaven anyways, I have to admit, I would be the biggest sinner in the world. I would go out and get drunk every night, and life would be one giant party, because in the end God will accept all of us anyway (even homos).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you were not condemmed for sinning if you don't believe in God. I mean, he won't punnish you because you didn't know, or because of ignorance, etc. I thought that he would only punnish you if you believed everything and still knowingly committed the sins.

Is that right?

Being completely ignorant and not believing are very different. In Moonbeam's case, I have told him about Jesus saving us, and he chooses not to believe. That does not save him. IMO, the only people that are completely ignorant are infants, and maybe the mentally challenged (some of them). I don't know exactly who is exempt from needing to believe, but I can tell you one thing, if you have ever heard about God and choose not to believe, you are not in for a fun ride.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: jhu
i was going to mention how wondefully articulate and thought out your words are, but instead i'll just say that you're an ass

Who are you talking to?

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Being completely ignorant and not believing are very different. In Moonbeam's case, I have told him about Jesus saving us, and he chooses not to believe. That does not save him. IMO, the only people that are completely ignorant are infants, and maybe the mentally challenged (some of them). I don't know exactly who is exempt from needing to believe, but I can tell you one thing, if you have ever heard about God and choose not to believe, you are not in for a fun ride.

The more nonsense I read from people like Metalloid15, the better I feel about not believing in god. "You'd better believe, or else or else or else!" That isn't a team I would want to be on.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: BigToque
Metalloid,

Fine Moonbeam, you can just go on living in your perfect LaLaLand where everyone is saved from Hell and no matter what you do, you are accepted just because. Keep telling yourself that when you die, God will say "Moonbeam, you screwed up sometimes in life, but even though you ignored my every command, persecuted my followers, and did everything wrong that you possibly could, I will let you into heaven anyways just because you are who you are. Big party at my house, and everyone is invited (He might as well let Satan in also)!" If that is the case, then why am I attempting to follow God's commands? If God could care less what I did and would let me into heaven anyways, I have to admit, I would be the biggest sinner in the world. I would go out and get drunk every night, and life would be one giant party, because in the end God will accept all of us anyway (even homos).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you were not condemmed for sinning if you don't believe in God. I mean, he won't punnish you because you didn't know, or because of ignorance, etc. I thought that he would only punnish you if you believed everything and still knowingly committed the sins.

Is that right?

Being completely ignorant and not believing are very different. In Moonbeam's case, I have told him about Jesus saving us, and he chooses not to believe. That does not save him. IMO, the only people that are completely ignorant are infants, and maybe the mentally challenged (some of them). I don't know exactly who is exempt from needing to believe, but I can tell you one thing, if you have ever heard about God and choose not to believe, you are not in for a fun ride.

Whatever. Just another sheep in the grand laugh.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?

I admit that there are no sins greater than others. So, because I know that things that I do are sin, I try to correct them. I have never met a homosexual that is actively trying to stop having sex with other men.[/quote]
So are you saying that if you shoplift a candybar, you're just as bad as a serial murderer?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?

I admit that there are no sins greater than others. So, because I know that things that I do are sin, I try to correct them. I have never met a homosexual that is actively trying to stop having sex with other men.

So are you saying that if you shoplift a candybar, you're just as bad as a serial murderer?[/quote]

Please define "bad." If you are unforgivin for stealing that candy bar, just like that other person is unforgivin for murdering, then yes, you are both going to Hell.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?

I admit that there are no sins greater than others. So, because I know that things that I do are sin, I try to correct them. I have never met a homosexual that is actively trying to stop having sex with other men.

So are you saying that if you shoplift a candybar, you're just as bad as a serial murderer?

Please define "bad." If you are unforgivin for stealing that candy bar, just like that other person is unforgivin for murdering, then yes, you are both going to Hell.[/quote]
Rofl. This "hell" must be pretty full! I can't believe "god" would send people to hell for taking a candy bar. What if they're starving and they have no money and they must eat? Do they still go to hell for doing that?

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?

I admit that there are no sins greater than others. So, because I know that things that I do are sin, I try to correct them. I have never met a homosexual that is actively trying to stop having sex with other men.

So are you saying that if you shoplift a candybar, you're just as bad as a serial murderer?

Please define "bad." If you are unforgivin for stealing that candy bar, just like that other person is unforgivin for murdering, then yes, you are both going to Hell.

Rofl. This "hell" must be pretty full! I can't believe "god" would send people to hell for taking a candy bar. What if they're starving and they have no money and they must eat? Do they still go to hell for doing that?[/quote]

Ever heard of getting a job? Soup kitchens?

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: HJD1
Quote by Metalloid 15

My goal in life is not to stay out of Hell. I mean, sure, I fear Hell, just as everyone should. But Hell is not what drives me. I strive to please God because he is my friend. If you think that my entire goal in life is to avoid Hell, then I am sorry, you are mistaken.

This is good... John 3:16... I have read now for, I don't know.... about 4000 posts in this thread about religion and God... and Jesus but, not a word about the Spirit... the third part of the Trinity that exists here on earth and in our hearts... The absence of God in our hearts (or whatever you wish to call it) would seem to be hell... and the presence of God (the Holy Spirit) gives us the warmth and knowledge and surplants fear and coldness with certainty. At least for me.
Without this I'd probably feel as Moombeam describes... but, me I'm full in the knowledge that someday I'll be with Jesus among the good, the bad, and the ugly who also accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior... The Homo too will be there if his or her heart is as mine is.... Perhaps you disagree with me... that is ok but, never expect me to accept less than I have already... Eternal Life...

I agree almost completely. The only thing I don't agree with is that fact that homosexuals could have the same heart as you. If someone was truely a Christian, they would not be homosexual. Now if they were homosexual in the past but changed their ways and became a Christian, than that would make sense. But no true Christian is a homosexual.

I find it ridiculous that you feel you can say that. You have admitted that you sin, how can you say that being a homosexual is worse than the things you have done? you cannot, maybe being a homosexual isn't as bad as all that masturbation you admitted to and the homosexual shall get entrance to heaven while you burn? ever think about that?

I admit that there are no sins greater than others. So, because I know that things that I do are sin, I try to correct them. I have never met a homosexual that is actively trying to stop having sex with other men.

So are you saying that if you shoplift a candybar, you're just as bad as a serial murderer?

Please define "bad." If you are unforgivin for stealing that candy bar, just like that other person is unforgivin for murdering, then yes, you are both going to Hell.

Rofl. This "hell" must be pretty full! I can't believe "god" would send people to hell for taking a candy bar. What if they're starving and they have no money and they must eat? Do they still go to hell for doing that?

Ever heard of getting a job? Soup kitchens?[/quote]
Um, what if this is during a depression with unemployment everywhere and the homeless bum with no residency and a bad smell can't get a job? Quit avoiding the question.