Homosexuality

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Im done with this thread for awhile. Flavio you are ignorant. Zakath, you have some valid points.



I was wrong about there being more gays in modern society, Im sorry. I should have looked it up first. It still does not change the fact that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. If you are a Christian you believe this, if not you dont. I don't feel like wasting my afternoon arguing with ignorant flames from people like flavio. Good day all.

Your twisted version of christianity teaches intolerance and bigotry....mine does not.

You sir, are no Christian.

Who are you to decide who is Christian and who is not? That smacks of arrogance to me. Shouldn't God be the one deciding who follows him, and not you?

His version of christianity teches prejudice though....so this is normal.

How does me being prejudice have to do with you not being a Christian? I know your not a true Christian by your words. You may be a self-proclaimed one, but you do not truly have faith. A Christian is one who follows the teachings in the bible, if you deny the fact that homosexuality is a sin you deny the bible. Thus you are not a Christian.

You are "prejudging" me as a non-christian. In my version of christianity hate and bigotry are not good qualities according to Jesus. You deny Jesus. Thus you are not a christian.

See, your version of Christianity. So you are admitting you are a self-proclaimed christian? You do not follow the teachings of the bible? Ok, well thx for clearing that up.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Im done with this thread for awhile. Flavio you are ignorant. Zakath, you have some valid points.



I was wrong about there being more gays in modern society, Im sorry. I should have looked it up first. It still does not change the fact that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. If you are a Christian you believe this, if not you dont. I don't feel like wasting my afternoon arguing with ignorant flames from people like flavio. Good day all.

Your twisted version of christianity teaches intolerance and bigotry....mine does not.

You sir, are no Christian.

Who are you to decide who is Christian and who is not? That smacks of arrogance to me. Shouldn't God be the one deciding who follows him, and not you?

His version of christianity teches prejudice though....so this is normal.

How does me being prejudice have to do with you not being a Christian? I know your not a true Christian by your words. You may be a self-proclaimed one, but you do not truly have faith. A Christian is one who follows the teachings in the bible, if you deny the fact that homosexuality is a sin you deny the bible. Thus you are not a Christian.

But if you take everything in the Bible literally, practically everything would be wrong. I'm sure you don't look kindly at prostitutes and whores, but guess what, Jesus accepted them. Yet here you are, railing against anything you deem to be wrong.

Did I ever say I hated prostitutes? Nope. I admit I wish they would have more self-respect for themselves. I do however accept them, just as I accept homosexuals. I just dislike the act of homosexuality. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Im done with this thread for awhile. Flavio you are ignorant. Zakath, you have some valid points.



I was wrong about there being more gays in modern society, Im sorry. I should have looked it up first. It still does not change the fact that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. If you are a Christian you believe this, if not you dont. I don't feel like wasting my afternoon arguing with ignorant flames from people like flavio. Good day all.

Your twisted version of christianity teaches intolerance and bigotry....mine does not.

You sir, are no Christian.

Who are you to decide who is Christian and who is not? That smacks of arrogance to me. Shouldn't God be the one deciding who follows him, and not you?

His version of christianity teches prejudice though....so this is normal.

How does me being prejudice have to do with you not being a Christian? I know your not a true Christian by your words. You may be a self-proclaimed one, but you do not truly have faith. A Christian is one who follows the teachings in the bible, if you deny the fact that homosexuality is a sin you deny the bible. Thus you are not a Christian.

You are "prejudging" me as a non-christian. In my version of christianity hate and bigotry are not good qualities according to Jesus. You deny Jesus. Thus you are not a christian.

See, your version of Christianity. So you are admitting you are a self-proclaimed christian? You do not follow the teachings of the bible? Ok, well thx for clearing that up.

I'm saying bigotry, hate, and prejudice is not taught in my church. So obviously, if you are really a christian, then it is some hatefull version of christianity and not like mine.

 

[djheater]

ugh,

Yet again my faith in human compassion is challenged.

Flame on....

 

[Cuda1447]

Oh yes, Christianity is a hateful religion. The bible teaches to hate. :roll: Im done.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Oh yes, Christianity is a hateful religion. The bible teaches to hate. :roll: Im done.

People have long used the Bible to justify hate. There are Christians who use the Bible to justify capital punishment, and those who use it to justify the murder of abortion performing physicians.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Oh yes, Christianity is a hateful religion. The bible teaches to hate. :roll: Im done.

The christianity that I know does not teach hate. Apparently your version does though.

It is a shame when religion gets abused and used against people that are different, but it's nothing new.

 

[Dark54555]

Originally posted by: Stefan
If it is biological, why does it exist? It serves no reproductive benefits. Is it a mutation in the human gene that for some reason has survived?

if it is genetic, then it is a negavite mutation, and based on basic darwinism, won't survive. Obviously, if it occurs randomly, it will continue to exist, but it will never replace heterosexuality.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Dark54555

Originally posted by: Stefan
If it is biological, why does it exist? It serves no reproductive benefits. Is it a mutation in the human gene that for some reason has survived?

if it is genetic, then it is a negavite mutation, and based on basic darwinism, won't survive. Obviously, if it occurs randomly, it will continue to exist, but it will never replace heterosexuality.

That's not Darwinism at all. There are plenty of mutations with detrimental effects which in no way affect long term survivability. As long as some people can pass the mutated gene without being detrimentally affected by it, the mutation survives.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: SammySon
God == gay.

You sir, earn the 2nd Idiot of the day award today. Thx for playing.



To everyone else. You wanted the truth, I gave you the truth. Just because you refuse to believe it, or you have some grudge against God doens't mean Im wrong. All you Anti-Christians out there can save your flames and go play in some other thread.

haha, everything is so simple! i see the light! a book that is 2 thousand years old written by who knows who has all the answers! how could we humans be so stupid not to see that if it was written by some guys 2 thousand years ago it must be true. I think a lot of people become christians because they do not like going through the work of using their brains. That or they are brought up christian and cannot stand the thought that what they have been fed their whole life is really a bunch of junk to get people to follow some rules that some people deemed the word of an entity there is absolutely no proof of. Sure there may be a god, but I would be willing to bet with very great odds that the bible is not the word of this god.

Tim

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Oh yes, Christianity is a hateful religion. The bible teaches to hate. :roll: Im done.

The christianity that I know does not teach hate. Apparently your version does though.

It is a shame when religion gets abused and used against people that are different, but it's nothing new.

maybe christianity doesn't teach hate, but there are a ton of christians that are very hateful, as with many non-christians. It is pretty logical that people associate a religion with some of the people that follow it. The bible shows its weakness in the fact that it can be bent towards so many different people's positions.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

As long as they don't teach Homosexuality is ok, then yes let them be a teacher. If they can be trusted (just like if anyone can be trusted) then I trust them with my kids.

:Q

Heaven forbid they teach your kids to be tolerant!

Shall we teach our kids to be tolerant of murder as well?

Oh, man, I love you. And not in that sicko disgusting sinful Jesus hating homosexual way. The Sin of murder is nowhere near comparable to homosexuality.

You do realize it was hatred and intolerance that killed Jesus the Christ, don't you?

All sins are equal. Murder is = to Homosexuality is = to theft is = to adultery. A sin is a sin. According to the bible.

Ahahaha, that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

Funny that the churches are rife with pedophiles in preachers clothing. I'd much rather have a neighborhood of queers than bible thumpers.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: SammySon
God == gay.

You sir, earn the 2nd Idiot of the day award today. Thx for playing.



To everyone else. You wanted the truth, I gave you the truth. Just because you refuse to believe it, or you have some grudge against God doens't mean Im wrong. All you Anti-Christians out there can save your flames and go play in some other thread.

haha, everything is so simple! i see the light! a book that is 2 thousand years old written by who knows who has all the answers! how could we humans be so stupid not to see that if it was written by some guys 2 thousand years ago it must be true. I think a lot of people become christians because they do not like going through the work of using their brains. That or they are brought up christian and cannot stand the thought that what they have been fed their whole life is really a bunch of junk to get people to follow some rules that some people deemed the word of an entity there is absolutely no proof of. Sure there may be a god, but I would be willing to bet with very great odds that the bible is not the word of this god.

Tim

I agree with your last point.

 

[iwearnosox]

Join scientology, at least it exalts the real god: money.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Im done with this thread for awhile. Flavio you are ignorant. Zakath, you have some valid points.



I was wrong about there being more gays in modern society, Im sorry. I should have looked it up first. It still does not change the fact that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. If you are a Christian you believe this, if not you dont. I don't feel like wasting my afternoon arguing with ignorant flames from people like flavio. Good day all.

Your twisted version of christianity teaches intolerance and bigotry....mine does not.

You sir, are no Christian.

Who are you to decide who is Christian and who is not? That smacks of arrogance to me. Shouldn't God be the one deciding who follows him, and not you?

His version of christianity teches prejudice though....so this is normal.

How does me being prejudice have to do with you not being a Christian? I know your not a true Christian by your words. You may be a self-proclaimed one, but you do not truly have faith. A Christian is one who follows the teachings in the bible, if you deny the fact that homosexuality is a sin you deny the bible. Thus you are not a Christian.

But if you take everything in the Bible literally, practically everything would be wrong. I'm sure you don't look kindly at prostitutes and whores, but guess what, Jesus accepted them. Yet here you are, railing against anything you deem to be wrong.

Did I ever say I hated prostitutes? Nope. I admit I wish they would have more self-respect for themselves. I do however accept them, just as I accept homosexuals. I just dislike the act of homosexuality. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

Homosexuality is not an "act". It is a sexual preference defined by whether one is physically attracted only to members of the same sex. People can be homosexual without ever actually engaging in sexual activity. Consequently, people can engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex without being homosexual.

So are you trying to say that you dislike certain forms of sexual activity? If so, that's fine because that's your own preference.

 

[Dark54555]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Dark54555

Originally posted by: Stefan
If it is biological, why does it exist? It serves no reproductive benefits. Is it a mutation in the human gene that for some reason has survived?

if it is genetic, then it is a negavite mutation, and based on basic darwinism, won't survive. Obviously, if it occurs randomly, it will continue to exist, but it will never replace heterosexuality.

That's not Darwinism at all. There are plenty of mutations with detrimental effects which in no way affect long term survivability. As long as some people can pass the mutated gene without being detrimentally affected by it, the mutation survives.

but homosexuality prevents reproduction, therefore it will be passed on in small numbers. In those who are straight, if it's a recessive trait, then it will occur rarely in the new generation, and stop there, becuase the homosexuals won't be reproducing.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Dark54555

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Dark54555

Originally posted by: Stefan
If it is biological, why does it exist? It serves no reproductive benefits. Is it a mutation in the human gene that for some reason has survived?

if it is genetic, then it is a negavite mutation, and based on basic darwinism, won't survive. Obviously, if it occurs randomly, it will continue to exist, but it will never replace heterosexuality.

That's not Darwinism at all. There are plenty of mutations with detrimental effects which in no way affect long term survivability. As long as some people can pass the mutated gene without being detrimentally affected by it, the mutation survives.

but homosexuality prevents reproduction, therefore it will be passed on in small numbers. In those who are straight, if it's a recessive trait, then it will occur rarely in the new generation, and stop there, becuase the homosexuals won't be reproducing.

That's not true at all. Recessive traits aren't necessarily bred out, there's just less of them. That's why you don't see 50% homosexuals. If presence, but lack of expression has no negative effect on the individual, there can be a large number of carriers.

Take for instance, the following two parents who are heterogenous carriers for a sterilizing condition that is not encoded on a specific sexual chomosome (this is a really basic example).

X is presence of gene, O is lack.

Father is XO, mother is XO. The possible combinations are,

XX - Sterile, will not reproduce
XO - Carrier, can reproduce
OX - Carrier, can reproduce
OO - No presence

25% of the offspring are expressing posessors of the trait and will not reproduce
25% have no presence of the trait at all
50% have the gene with no expression and will reproduce normally

 

[3L33T32003]

NAFT

 

[GeekDrew]

(Daring to step in this thread...)

OK, here are my thoughts:

I have always considered myself to be gay. I have also always considered myself to be a Christian. I know many gays that are both. They pray regularly, a very nice, do not want special treatment, etc. Nobody knows that they are gay unless they tell you.

However, I have recently been questioning myself about both aforementioned facts. I was born into a family that was great, until they found out that I thought I was gay. Things went downhill. At long last, I was removed from the family. I now live with an awesome family, and I love them, and they say that they love me. They know about the gay issue, and they don't approve of it, but they tolerate it. They are very religious people, and they attend a Baptist church every day. Instead of going with them, they allow me to go to church once a week with their sons, who go to a non-denomonational church in the area. When I first started going there, I really liked the church. Things have changed.

I no longer have any relationship with God, nor am I really striving for one any more. I have managed to stay away from the church for two weeks (only by claiming that I'm sick and staying in the bathroom most of the morning), and I really don't care if I ever go back. I've also been questioning the declaration that I'm gay. I talked with one of my two best friends, very in-depth. For the last month or two, I've not been attracted to solely males. I've wanted to be sexually attracted to females for ages, and it's finally (starting) to happen. However, if I were to think about it... if I were to imagine the person that I want to spend the rest of my life with, I still picture a man. I don't know why... just the companionship, the understanding, etc. Hopefully that will change in the near future too.

There has recently been a tension in the air at home. I've been afraid that I'm going to mess something up. I can't tolerate going to church much longer, and that's not a good thing at all. I need to find an apartment as soon as possible, because I want to move out before I make things bad here at home. I'm not the same person that I was when I moved in last August. I've been given freedom, and I've enjoyed it (though I have NOT done anything illegal, etc, I restricted my own freedom), and I've been able to explore my personality. I don't want to bother with church right now. I can't stand a lot of the bigotry and such that is happening. Maybe that will change in the future; I don't know. I need to be able to be whoever I am without being afraid to express that. I want to talk to one of my friends asap, because he also wants an apartment... he knows about everything I'm going through, and he is an awesome guy for loving me without regard for my sexual preferences, religious, etc. I'm hoping that we can share an apartment or something together. He brought it up once before, but I tabled the issue then. Wonder if it still stands... but I digress; back to topic.

I can't speak for the gay population, but I have always said that you are born straight or gay. Right now I haven't got a clue about whether I was right or wrong. Maybe it's a combination of both, some being born that way, some just inadvertently becoming that way because of environment, etc. I don't know. You'll be able to fight about it for ages, because no conclusion will ever be reached. The topic will either die or be locked by moderation...

Andrew

 

[flavio]

Your story just shows how evil it is when religion is twisted into an excuse for bigotry.

You will feel much better when you are free to be who you want. I hope things work out for you.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: flavio
Your story just shows how evil it is when religion is twisted into an excuse for bigotry.

You will feel much better when you are free to be who you want. I hope things work out for you.

Believe it or not Flavio there are actually athiest homosexuals that are hostile towards straight Christians and use their non-belief in God as a basis for hate against said people.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: flavio
Your story just shows how evil it is when religion is twisted into an excuse for bigotry.

You will feel much better when you are free to be who you want. I hope things work out for you.

Believe it or not Flavio there are actually athiest homosexuals that are hostile towards straight Christians and use their non-belief in God as a basis for hate against said people.

Does that make it right?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew84
I no longer have any relationship with God, nor am I really striving for one any more. I have managed to stay away from the church for two weeks (only by claiming that I'm sick and staying in the bathroom most of the morning), and I really don't care if I ever go back. I've also been questioning the declaration that I'm gay. I talked with one of my two best friends, very in-depth. For the last month or two, I've not been attracted to solely males. I've wanted to be sexually attracted to females for ages, and it's finally (starting) to happen. However, if I were to think about it... if I were to imagine the person that I want to spend the rest of my life with, I still picture a man. I don't know why... just the companionship, the understanding, etc. Hopefully that will change in the near future too.

Relationships with God are overrated. My suggestion would be for you to remove yourself from your intolerant living situation as soon as you can and move on with life in an environment where you can find yourself. Don't waste time trying to define yourself as homosexual or heterosexual, but just experience life as best you can. Eventually you will find yourself in a wonderful relationship with a partner, male or female, who can love you physically and emotionally and to whom you can reciprocate in full measure.

And whatever happens, it will not be wrong so long as life brings you happiness.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Relationships with God are overrated. My suggestion would be for you to remove yourself from your intolerant living situation as soon as you can and move on with life in an environment where you can find yourself. Don't waste time trying to define yourself as homosexual or heterosexual, but just experience life as best you can. Eventually you will find yourself in a wonderful relationship with a partner, male or female, who can love you physically and emotionally and to whom you can reciprocate in full measure. And whatever happens, it will not be wrong so long as life brings you happiness.

Thanks... I'm planning on doing just that

Andrew

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: classy
I'll be honest, I have never in my entire ever had any homosexual thoughts. I just haven't and I'm sure there are many who haven't either.

Brother don't be eatin' pu**y neither.



Me neither classy.

Thats a myth about us brothers. Trust me