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0roo0roo

No Lifer
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ignorance of the many religious objections is disturbing. they fear that gay will rub off. how do you know this? no scientific evidence that gay rubs off. in fact children of gay couples have the same chance of being gay that anyone else does. how is this possible if gay rubs off. not to mention, how do you know gay rubs off unless you've experienced it yourself. have you felt gay temptation near gays or just men? if so, you just have issues.

do you feel revulsion when you see gay people together? its cultural. the same way many people felt revulsion when a mixed race couple walked through town not all that long ago. it justifies nothing. we are all products of culture. even i feel a tinge of ickyness when i see guys kiss i admit, so i can see how someone less tolerant then me would sink to hatred. but that doesn't make it right.


think of it this way. in a world filled with suffering, many religions choose to increase suffering through intolerant policies. viewing love between consential adults as evil does no one any good. of all the things to worry about they worry about who people love. no one is harmed except in the religous intolerants mind. what do religious people really know? nothing, no more then anyone else. yet they judge. "i like you, but you are evil" doesn't cut it. its like saying black people can be ok, as long as they don't reproduce. you know this is the same reasoning racists used to use against racial mixing. its unatural!! its arbitrary, it increases suffering and pain. how many times have religions been wrong on such things? many.

seriously, you know sh*t, you could be wrong, it hurts no one, so while on earth why judge? it doesn't make the world any better, just look at the middle east.



i believe that black people are decendents of the devil and are doomed to hell, but i won't let that affect my judgement of individual black people

not to mention they are racially inferior i won't let that color my interactions with them.

 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: classy
I'll be honest, I have never in my entire ever had any homosexual thoughts. I just haven't and I'm sure there are many who haven't either.

Brother don't be eatin' pu**y neither.



Me neither classy.

Thats a myth about us brothers. Trust me

Yeah, haven't you seen Booty Call? Dental dam? Dental dam?
 

Metalloid

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I'm back!!!

After reading Andrew's story and some of the responses following it, I have come to the conclusion that many people in this discussion feel that your sexual preference is the most important thing to you, followed by your relationship with God. That is just more proof that homosexuality is sin. You are so busy being a homosexual, that you are shutting God completely out of your life, which is bad.

0roo 0roo: I guess everything depends on what your defenition of judging is. In reality, it is God's job to judge, and we all will be judged one day (and then condemned to Hell or forgiven and sent to Heaven; if anyone wants to know more about this then PM me). But I do not want people to continue to sin like that (or any other way for that matter) without them knowing that what they are doing is wrong. I have no intention of judging these people as God will, because it isn't my job. But the more they know about the sin that is homosexuality and the Bible's view on it, the more likely they are to stop.
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
your sexual preference is the most important thing to you

I have the feeling that if Moses, King David, John the Baptist, and Jesus came from Mount Sinai with stones that said, "Homosexuality is biological, it is not a preference," you would still claim otherwise.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

As long as it's only words he is putting in your mouth you really haven't much to complain about.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
I'm back!!!

After reading Andrew's story and some of the responses following it, I have come to the conclusion that many people in this discussion feel that your sexual preference is the most important thing to you, followed by your relationship with God. That is just more proof that homosexuality is sin. You are so busy being a homosexual, that you are shutting God completely out of your life, which is bad.

0roo 0roo: I guess everything depends on what your defenition of judging is. In reality, it is God's job to judge, and we all will be judged one day (and then condemned to Hell or forgiven and sent to Heaven; if anyone wants to know more about this then PM me). But I do not want people to continue to sin like that (or any other way for that matter) without them knowing that what they are doing is wrong. I have no intention of judging these people as God will, because it isn't my job. But the more they know about the sin that is homosexuality and the Bible's view on it, the more likely they are to stop.



Im so happy your back. I got beat down by 50 people. Not fun!

 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Is there a starbucks in hell? If there isn't, then maybe I'll repent.

Wouldn't matter if there was, the coffee would just evaporate before you could drink it. Kinda hot there.
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
I'm back!!!

After reading Andrew's story and some of the responses following it, I have come to the conclusion that many people in this discussion feel that your sexual preference is the most important thing to you, followed by your relationship with God. That is just more proof that homosexuality is sin. You are so busy being a homosexual, that you are shutting God completely out of your life, which is bad.

0roo 0roo: I guess everything depends on what your defenition of judging is. In reality, it is God's job to judge, and we all will be judged one day (and then condemned to Hell or forgiven and sent to Heaven; if anyone wants to know more about this then PM me). But I do not want people to continue to sin like that (or any other way for that matter) without them knowing that what they are doing is wrong. I have no intention of judging these people as God will, because it isn't my job. But the more they know about the sin that is homosexuality and the Bible's view on it, the more likely they are to stop.



Im so happy your back. I got beat down by 50 people. Not fun!

Yeah I was laughing while reading it.
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Is there a starbucks in hell? If there isn't, then maybe I'll repent.

Wouldn't matter if there was, the coffee would just evaporate before you could drink it. Kinda hot there.
Thumpadee thump thump. Gotta get back to my watchtower, it's riveting.


 

Masas

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it's definately socially "learned" because::

biologically and genetically (I'm no expert)...I'd think that such a "mutation" or change would require some kind of catalyst....
and if it's a mutation...would it be the same in all homosexual people? would they all have parents with missing chromosomes...mutated genes..and such?
since I *THINK* they all have the same genetic make up as any other human...
it makes ME think that it has to be a social behavior...
MOST (again, I'm no expert) homosexuals commit themselves or "come out" in their late teens - which leads me to think that it had something to do with the type of friends or relationships they had in their pre-adolscent and early adolescent years...
what they learn, how they perceive it, and the experiences they have...

if homosexuality was a biologically determined trait, even with the affects of social pressure, wouldn't young children know their sexual orientation?

and my question is:::
would children raised by gay parents be gay also?
as likely? more likely? doesn't matter?
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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and my question is:::
would children raised by gay parents be gay also?
as likely? more likely? doesn't matter?


the problem is that it has already been proved that children of gay couples are not more likely to be gay!! if that isn't a strike against the idea that gays recruit, i don't know what is.


fundamentalist republicans like dick cheny and newt gingrich have gay children. indoctrination?


 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
and my question is:::
would children raised by gay parents be gay also?
as likely? more likely? doesn't matter?


the problem is that it has already been proved that children of gay couples are not more likely to be gay!! if that isn't a strike against the idea that gays recruit, i don't know what is.


fundamentalist republicans like dick cheny and newt gingrich have gay children. indoctrination?

I find this interesting. Can you show me some kind of scientific study on it?
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew84
Originally posted by: Astaroth33 Relationships with God are overrated. My suggestion would be for you to remove yourself from your intolerant living situation as soon as you can and move on with life in an environment where you can find yourself. Don't waste time trying to define yourself as homosexual or heterosexual, but just experience life as best you can. Eventually you will find yourself in a wonderful relationship with a partner, male or female, who can love you physically and emotionally and to whom you can reciprocate in full measure. And whatever happens, it will not be wrong so long as life brings you happiness.
Thanks... I'm planning on doing just that Andrew

Astaroth - that was great
 

Mallow

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Honestly I don't see why homosexuals would want their sexual preferance to be genetic. Since homosexuals will never reproduce (bare offspring) then the gene that condones that trait will have a darwinian fitness of 0. By all logic the homosexuality gene would breed itself out in a short amount of time.

The only reason the gene would have survived this long is in the past being a homosexual was very taboo and many people who were probably homosexual were forced to live a heterosexual lifestyle b/c it was not accepted.

However, something that can not be determined at this time is if it could be multiple genes.

IMO, homosexuality is not due to a genetic factor but instead social factors.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Mallow

The only reason the gene would have survived this long is in the past being a homosexual was very taboo and many people who were probably homosexual were forced to live a heterosexual lifestyle b/c it was not accepted.

However, something that can not be determined at this time is if it could be multiple genes.

IMO, homosexuality is not due to a genetic factor but instead social factors.



considering the two points you made above, your conclusion doesn't mesh.


a simplistic view of evolution/genetics fails. things such as downs syndrome, mental retardation and a whole host of other genetic anomalies still happen with great regularity. apparenlty some things aren't bred out easily at all.
 

achiral

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I think it's conditional with some and biological for others. Most women are two drinks away and most guys are one jail sentence away.

LMFAO

that is one of the funniest things i've read in a while, well put.

seriously though, it is a sin, but it's hard to bring the God argument into this. i believe that for the most part this is a learned trait as was discussed already. but i also believe that satan is powerful and can have influence on genetic traits of people. it's all part of the fallen world
 

achiral

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
For some reason, Christianity seems to be unable to deal effectively with sexuality in just about any form. Homosexuality is nothing more than a sexual preference, it is neither "good" nor "bad"; the fact that it is shunned in Western society is purely cultural, due in part to the Christian prohibition against it. Other cultures throughout history have dealt with the subject in a much more enlightened manner.

well gee, i don't know, God destroyed a whole city because people were practicing sodomy among other things. and since most gay men will be practicing sodomy in a sexual relationship, i'd say the bible does say something about homosexuality. there are actually plenty of references against homosexuality. i do think it's pointless to harp on this one sin however because i believe all sin is hated by God no matter how man would categorize and rank it.
 

achiral

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Im done with this thread for awhile. Flavio you are ignorant. Zakath, you have some valid points.



I was wrong about there being more gays in modern society, Im sorry. I should have looked it up first. It still does not change the fact that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. If you are a Christian you believe this, if not you dont. I don't feel like wasting my afternoon arguing with ignorant flames from people like flavio. Good day all.

Your twisted version of christianity teaches intolerance and bigotry....mine does not.

how is cuda's intolerance any different than your intolerance of his views. cuda has admitted being incorrect, but it seems like you keep attacking him. join the discussion, quit the bashing

 

BigToque

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I dislike how this whole thread went to religion and sin. I am not asking wether or not you guys believe it to be wrong or why you believe it to be acceptable.

What I am interested in, is why does it exist? Why does it continue to exist?
 

achiral

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it's already been said. the sinful nature of mankind. not a scientific answer but it is the correct answer
 

Mallow

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Mallow

The only reason the gene would have survived this long is in the past being a homosexual was very taboo and many people who were probably homosexual were forced to live a heterosexual lifestyle b/c it was not accepted.

However, something that can not be determined at this time is if it could be multiple genes.

IMO, homosexuality is not due to a genetic factor but instead social factors.



considering the two points you made above, your conclusion doesn't mesh.


a simplistic view of evolution/genetics fails. things such as downs syndrome, mental retardation and a whole host of other genetic anomalies still happen with great regularity. apparenlty some things aren't bred out easily at all.

OMG, d00d, do you know anything about genetics? Downs Syndrome is a result of non-disjunction when the gametes are forming. Downs is a genetic abnormality but it is an independent occurance each time. Also, it isn't a gene malfunction, instead it is a duplication of chromosomes. These types of things can not be bred out, only advances in human gene repair can correct these and I don't see those happening. There are certainly inadequacies in my simplistic explaination but none that you have pointed out!
 

0roo0roo

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i admit i know more about evolution then genetics, but even if my specific examples were wrong, since others exist, my point stands
 
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