Overpopulation and high population density. When this happens to rats and rabbits the males mount each other. So what do you know..it happens to humans too..
The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Originally posted by: Stefan
The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
If I wanted to know that, I would have asked that question.
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.godhatesfags.com/ - do you want to go down this rabbit hole?
its not an amateurish website, which makes it even scarier.
That's not true at all. Recessive traits aren't necessarily bred out, there's just less of them. That's why you don't see 50% homosexuals. If presence, but lack of expression has no negative effect on the individual, there can be a large number of carriers.
Take for instance, the following two parents who are heterogenous carriers for a sterilizing condition that is not encoded on a specific sexual chomosome (this is a really basic example).
X is presence of gene, O is lack.
Father is XO, mother is XO. The possible combinations are,
XX - Sterile, will not reproduce
XO - Carrier, can reproduce
OX - Carrier, can reproduce
OO - No presence
25% of the offspring are expressing posessors of the trait and will not reproduce
25% have no presence of the trait at all
50% have the gene with no expression and will reproduce normally
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Originally posted by: Dark54555
You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
Originally posted by: GeekDrew84
Originally posted by: Dark54555
You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
Another point missed. Although most gays have absolutely no desire to mate with the opposite sex, most do, at some point in their lives. I know many gay couples (M/F) that want to have kids together, even though they have no sexual interest in each other.
At least according to your chosen beliefs.Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
At least according to your chosen beliefs.Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!
Again, according to your beliefs. Excuse us for not buying into it if you will.Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
At least according to your chosen beliefs.Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!
Yes, it is according to my beliefs. But God is real, and everyone will find that out one day. Everyone.
Originally posted by: Dark54555
the desire to have a child to care for and the propensity to mate are different things.Originally posted by: GeekDrew84Another point missed. Although most gays have absolutely no desire to mate with the opposite sex, most do, at some point in their lives. I know many gay couples (M/F) that want to have kids together, even though they have no sexual interest in each other.Originally posted by: Dark54555 You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
Originally posted by: Dark54555
That's not true at all. Recessive traits aren't necessarily bred out, there's just less of them. That's why you don't see 50% homosexuals. If presence, but lack of expression has no negative effect on the individual, there can be a large number of carriers.
Take for instance, the following two parents who are heterogenous carriers for a sterilizing condition that is not encoded on a specific sexual chomosome (this is a really basic example).
X is presence of gene, O is lack.
Father is XO, mother is XO. The possible combinations are,
XX - Sterile, will not reproduce
XO - Carrier, can reproduce
OX - Carrier, can reproduce
OO - No presence
25% of the offspring are expressing posessors of the trait and will not reproduce
25% have no presence of the trait at all
50% have the gene with no expression and will reproduce normally
You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
Originally posted by: GeekDrew84
Originally posted by: Dark54555
the desire to have a child to care for and the propensity to mate are different things.Originally posted by: GeekDrew84Another point missed. Although most gays have absolutely no desire to mate with the opposite sex, most do, at some point in their lives. I know many gay couples (M/F) that want to have kids together, even though they have no sexual interest in each other.Originally posted by: Dark54555 You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
I know that. Because I don't really want to earn a vacaction from AT, I'll refrain from posting details, but let me assure you that many gays reproduce.
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Dark54555
That's not true at all. Recessive traits aren't necessarily bred out, there's just less of them. That's why you don't see 50% homosexuals. If presence, but lack of expression has no negative effect on the individual, there can be a large number of carriers.
Take for instance, the following two parents who are heterogenous carriers for a sterilizing condition that is not encoded on a specific sexual chomosome (this is a really basic example).
X is presence of gene, O is lack.
Father is XO, mother is XO. The possible combinations are,
XX - Sterile, will not reproduce
XO - Carrier, can reproduce
OX - Carrier, can reproduce
OO - No presence
25% of the offspring are expressing posessors of the trait and will not reproduce
25% have no presence of the trait at all
50% have the gene with no expression and will reproduce normally
You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
The example has nothing to do with the genetic background of homosexuality. I just very basically shows how a gene combination which causes sterility can propogate.
Originally posted by: Dark54555
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Dark54555
That's not true at all. Recessive traits aren't necessarily bred out, there's just less of them. That's why you don't see 50% homosexuals. If presence, but lack of expression has no negative effect on the individual, there can be a large number of carriers.
Take for instance, the following two parents who are heterogenous carriers for a sterilizing condition that is not encoded on a specific sexual chomosome (this is a really basic example).
X is presence of gene, O is lack.
Father is XO, mother is XO. The possible combinations are,
XX - Sterile, will not reproduce
XO - Carrier, can reproduce
OX - Carrier, can reproduce
OO - No presence
25% of the offspring are expressing posessors of the trait and will not reproduce
25% have no presence of the trait at all
50% have the gene with no expression and will reproduce normally
You miss the point. If homosexuality is genetic, and recessive then take your model (basic biology, which I'm well aware of). 75% of the population is heterosexual, the remaining 25% (where the recessive trait is active) have no desire to mate with the opposite sex. So, then, a boom in the population is basically impossible. If XX were a positive trait, on the other hand, XX would be more likely to mate, and therefore the population of XX people would increase. I never said it would be "bred out," just that because it is a negative move, it will not be the next major genetic change to the human population.
The example has nothing to do with the genetic background of homosexuality. I just very basically shows how a gene combination which causes sterility can propogate.
if homosexuality is a recessive gene, then it would propogate the same way.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.godhatesfags.com/ - do you want to go down this rabbit hole?
its not an amateurish website, which makes it even scarier.
Eh, that guy needs help and counseling for his obviously repressed homosexual urges.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Probably environment working on - in a way that we can't necessarily yet pinpoint - ones genetic predisposition. Perhaps we could all be gay in the right environment, whereas others become gay in an environment that isn't quite fruity enough for the rest of us to go that way.
Eitherway learned or not it's not something that most people choose to do just for fun. They fight it and they become that way anyway. Most homosexuals don't want to do anything but be left alone with willing partners and I'm sure that society can be blamed for at least a _part_ of why some homosexuals do become deviant (though most don't).
They are not sexual deviants in the sense that a pedophile is since they do not intend to do harm to anybody and a willing partner has no harm done to them. My sense is that so-called god fear people need to leave them alone and pick a more important fight. If you're so worried about homosexuals your life must be pretty darn easy. Personally what two or 8 guys are doing together in the house down the road is the last thing on my mind at night.
You didn't invent god but many believe he was invented to explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable. People don't like not having answers. But I don't like to get too much in my beliefs I'm just curious how you would look at animals that exhibit homosexual behavior? Is satan just a busy guy who gets his evil groove on by having some gay dolphins or bi chimps going at it, or is that just unimportant and ignored since they aren't people?Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
From everything I've seen and heard over the years (some of us have had actual contact /relationships with homosexual people) I would say that it is not a choice or decision one makes, nor is it any sort of "sin" to be following the inclinations given you by nature. What causes some to be gay? I don't know but I strongly suspect
that something goes wrong with the hormones that the fetus is exposed to in utero resulting in a change in the
person's hardwiring. I do know that nobody willingly volunteers for a live that is often filled with both internal and external torment and that most gays want the same things that the rest of us want, people who love them, decent educations and jobs,to live quality lives. I don't care what other people do in their bedrooms as long as they understand and respect my "no thanks".
And as far as the "God" thing goes, I find it amusing how in any given situation humans will reach for/invent a toool in order to bash that which they do not understand or that which threatens them. The better question for this thread might be,why exactly does the idea of other people living differently than you do threaten you so?
Not to be rude, but I most certainly didn't "invent" God (don't know why you put quotations around his name) because I am afraid of gay people. God was here long before us, and he created some rules for us. One of those rules happens to be: Homosexuality is wrong. AND IT IS!!!!!!