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Metalloid

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Moonbeam: I am a "real" Christian. And guess what, I would rather be a bigot in your eyes, than someone who continues to take away from the Godliness of the world by telling everyone that "Homosexuality is OK as long as it makes you feel good about yourself."

And guess what, I prejudge every single person on this earth as a sinner, because we all are. If that makes me a bigot, then so be it. I never said there was wrong with homosexuals, I said that homosexuality is a sin. If that same exact person where not practicing homosexuality, then that would be great.

And I would never become gay just to prove a point. In fact, I doubt that it is possible for me to be gay because of my religious beliefs. I could never directly bring myself to do that because of how God would frown upon it. If I weren't a Christian, then it would be possible for me to turn gay.

Any gay person who "wants to be straight" probably can't do it because they are so trapped in sin and aren't turning to God for help.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Moonbeam: I am a "real" Christian. And guess what, I would rather be a bigot in your eyes, than someone who continues to take away from the Godliness of the world by telling everyone that "Homosexuality is OK as long as it makes you feel good about yourself."

And guess what, I prejudge every single person on this earth as a sinner, because we all are. If that makes me a bigot, then so be it. I never said there was wrong with homosexuals, I said that homosexuality is a sin. If that same exact person where not practicing homosexuality, then that would be great.

And I would never become gay just to prove a point. In fact, I doubt that it is possible for me to be gay because of my religious beliefs. I could never directly bring myself to do that because of how God would frown upon it. If I weren't a Christian, then it would be possible for me to turn gay.

Any gay person who "wants to be straight" probably can't do it because they are so trapped in sin and aren't turning to God for help.

So, you're saying that you couldn't consciously choose to be gay?
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Moonbeam: I am a "real" Christian. And guess what, I would rather be a bigot in your eyes, than someone who continues to take away from the Godliness of the world by telling everyone that "Homosexuality is OK as long as it makes you feel good about yourself."

And guess what, I prejudge every single person on this earth as a sinner, because we all are. If that makes me a bigot, then so be it. I never said there was wrong with homosexuals, I said that homosexuality is a sin. If that same exact person where not practicing homosexuality, then that would be great.

And I would never become gay just to prove a point. In fact, I doubt that it is possible for me to be gay because of my religious beliefs. I could never directly bring myself to do that because of how God would frown upon it. If I weren't a Christian, then it would be possible for me to turn gay.

Any gay person who "wants to be straight" probably can't do it because they are so trapped in sin and aren't turning to God for help.

So, you're saying that you couldn't consciously choose to be gay?

I guess it is possible, but highly unlikely.
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Metalloid15

I guess it is possible, but highly unlikely.

So, you're saying you couldn't?

I'm saying that because I am a Christian, I never would. But if for some reason I turned my back on God and started living a very sinful lifestyle it is possible that I could.
 

PistachioByAzul

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Maybe you are doing the Devil's work and don't know it. You can't even prove your own suppostion that it is a choice.
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Maybe you are doing the Devil's work and don't know it. You can't even prove your own suppostion that it is a choice.

I can prove that it is a choice.

Given: Homosexuality is a sin.
Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over.

So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Maybe you are doing the Devil's work and don't know it. You can't even prove your own suppostion that it is a choice.

I can prove that it is a choice.

Given: Homosexuality is a sin.
Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over.

So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?
AHAHAHAHAHA....

Seriously, the dark ages called. They want you back.



 

PistachioByAzul

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See, the whole thing is, and it is really unfortunate that most people are still stuck on this, is that hetero or homo, it really isn't relevant. Sexuality on the whole is what is relevant, the balance of energies. "Nature will always seek to balance itself". One person may go one way for balance, the another the other way.

I think I read somewhere about, I think it was Shaolin monks, who would send young monks in training off with experienced women, to bring them to new heights of self-awareness and conciousness through sexual meditation, and generally to bring them past all the issues people have regarding sex that stand in the way of enlightenment.
 

csh102

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I can prove something else, too.

Given: Man is the most important creation of God.
Given: God would never put his most important creation in the far corner of universe.

So therefore, this Earth must be the center of whole universe.
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: EngineNr9
See, the whole thing is, and it is really unfortunate that most people are still stuck on this, is that hetero or homo, it really isn't relevant. Sexuality on the whole is what is relevant, the balance of energies. "Nature will always seek to balance itself". One person may go one way for balance, the another the other way.

I think I read somewhere about, I think it was Shaolin monks, who would send young monks in training off with experienced women, to bring them to new heights of self-awareness and conciousness through sexual meditation, and generally to bring them past all the issues people have regarding sex that stand in the way of enlightenment.

Huh?
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Some people here need to take their homocil.?

I'm confused, what is homocil.? ?
It's from the makers of lesbocil.? Helps bigots cope with the fruitier side of life. Of course that's just the drug companies doing the devil's work...


 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: csh102
I can prove something else, too.

Given: Man is the most important creation of God.
Given: God would never put his most important creation in the far corner of universe.

So therefore, this Earth must be the center of whole universe.
Why does god care where you are, he's omnipotent. It's better than a star trek transporter.

Besides, for all we know we're beta. The release candidiates are closer to the center.


 

PistachioByAzul

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What about going to the bathroom, I thought it was established that was a sin. I sure can't control that. All of that presupposes that your interpretation is the right one. How do you know the Devil didn't trick you into bigotry?
 

csh102

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Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: csh102
I can prove something else, too.

Given: Man is the most important creation of God.
Given: God would never put his most important creation in the far corner of universe.

So therefore, this Earth must be the center of whole universe.
Why does god care where you are, he's omnipotent. It's better than a star trek transporter.

Besides, for all we know we're beta. The release candidiates are closer to the center.

But, but....
Bible doesn't say anything about beta or update or patch or.....
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: csh102
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: csh102
I can prove something else, too.

Given: Man is the most important creation of God.
Given: God would never put his most important creation in the far corner of universe.

So therefore, this Earth must be the center of whole universe.
Why does god care where you are, he's omnipotent. It's better than a star trek transporter.

Besides, for all we know we're beta. The release candidiates are closer to the center.

But, but....
Bible doesn't say anything about beta or update or patch or.....
There's something to be said for clean installs.


 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Maybe you are doing the Devil's work and don't know it. You can't even prove your own suppostion that it is a choice.

I can prove that it is a choice.

Given: Homosexuality is a sin.
Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over.

So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

apparently you've never heard of original sin. we're all f*cked.

 

kleinesarschloch

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Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Maybe you are doing the Devil's work and don't know it. You can't even prove your own suppostion that it is a choice.

I can prove that it is a choice.

Given: Homosexuality is a sin.
Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over.

So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?


hmmm, just a few posts back you stated that everyone is a sinner, and that is a mantra often repeated by christians. why would god create anyone then? indeed, we are all fvcked.

 

jhu

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here's something from the journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolsim:

Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women ( P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females ( P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.

Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism
Volume 85 ? Number 5 ? May 2000
 

jhu

Lifer
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here's something from behavioral genetics:

The heritability and prevalence of the gender identity disorder (GID) was examined, as well as its comorbidity with separation anxiety and depression, in a nonretrospective study of child and adolescent twins. The parents of 314 twins (ages 4-17 years; 96 monozygotic pairs [MZ] and 61 dizygotic [DZ] pairs) completed the Coolidge Personality and Neuropsychological Inventory (CPNI) containing a six-item DSM-IV-based GID scale. Prevalence of clinically significant GID symptomatology in the twin sample was estimated to be 2.3%. Univariate model fitting analyses were conducted using an ordinal transformation of the GID scale. The model that best described the data included a significant additive genetic component accounting for 62% of the variance and a nonshared environmental component accounting for the remaining 38% of the variance. Results suggested no heterogeneity in the parameter estimates resulting from age. The correlation between GID and depression was modest, but significant (r = .20; P < .05), whereas the correlation between GID and separation anxiety was nonsignificant (P > .05). Overall, the results support the hypothesis that there is a strong heritable component to GID. The findings may also imply that gender identity may be much less a matter of choice and much more a matter of biology.

Coolidge FL - Behav Genet - 01-Jul-2002; 32(4): 251-7

 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Metalloid15
Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Maybe you are doing the Devil's work and don't know it. You can't even prove your own suppostion that it is a choice.

I can prove that it is a choice.

Given: Homosexuality is a sin.
Given: God would never allow someone to be born with a genetic defect that causes them to sin, and which they have no control over.

So therefore, there is no way that homosexuality is genetic. How would God expect people to follow him if there were born with a sin-causing defect which they can't change?

apparently you've never heard of original sin. we're all f*cked.

Apparently you have never heard of Jesus dying on a cross. I am in good shape.
 

ilyria

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: wnied
Another thing, not everyone is gay (obviously), but everyone does have homosexual thoughts at some point in their lives

I refer back to what Sam Kinison said about this: "So I'm going through my dreams one day, and I'm looking for the one thats gay ....Because if its in there I WANT IT OUT!"

~wnied~



IMO, it's a natural aspect of one's sexuality. There is a certain amount of curiosity that is healthy in a child and young person. Whether they desire later on in life to live exclusively with a homosexual lifestyle is their choice.

I agree!

 
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