HORRENDOUS encoding results with Conroe

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: myocardia
You should always rip to your hard drive, then burn later (even if that's immediately afterward). Here's how long it took to rip True Romance with my Skt. 754 3700, at stock speed: link

all i was doing is ripping to the HDD, not burning

 

[ForgetCassettes]

I tried rencoding "Garden State" and it took my E6400 just over 30 minutes. I tried messing with the options in the preferences with little to no change. I checked my device manager and my IDE DVD Burner is also running at Ultra DMA Mode 2. I tried copying the DVD to the hard drive and it was taking forever. I wonder if this could be the big bottleneck. Is there a way to force the DVD Burner to a faster UDMA mode?

EDIT : Nevermind, i just checked and my DVD Burner is limited to UDMA Mode 2

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: myocardia
You should always rip to your hard drive, then burn later (even if that's immediately afterward). Here's how long it took to rip True Romance with my Skt. 754 3700, at stock speed: link

all i was doing is ripping to the HDD, not burning

The limiting factor on something like that is your optical drive's speed and it's DMA/transfer settings. CPU shouldn't make much of a difference.

 

[ForgetCassettes]

Would a SATA DVD Burner speed things up in this case?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ForgetCassettes
Would a SATA DVD Burner speed things up in this case?

No. Performance-wise there is very little difference between the expensive SATA DVD's and the ridiculous cheap ATA ones. The limit is the read performance of the drive itself, which is nowhere close to maxxing out ATA let alone SATA bandwidth.

 

[yanman]

If it's only using 11% CPU then THAT is your problem not I/O. Check BIOS to see if it's set to use that feature (can't recall name) that declocks the chip to save power.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: ForgetCassettes
I tried rencoding "Garden State" and it took my E6400 just over 30 minutes. I tried messing with the options in the preferences with little to no change. I checked my device manager and my IDE DVD Burner is also running at Ultra DMA Mode 2. I tried copying the DVD to the hard drive and it was taking forever. I wonder if this could be the big bottleneck. Is there a way to force the DVD Burner to a faster UDMA mode?

EDIT : Nevermind, i just checked and my DVD Burner is limited to UDMA Mode 2

Look. Probably all of are DVD burners are Ultra DMA Mode 2. NO DVD BURNER would ever go faster then the 33mB/s that UDMA Mode 2 would give you. At 16x Your going at ~20mB/s.

Try using DVD Decrypter set to Iso "read mode" and copy it do the HD. Then mount it in something like Alcohol 120% (or free Daemon Tools) and see how fast it goes then (that would elminiate the DVD Bottleneck if it ever was one)

Also run the backup in Normal or High priority and make sure no power saving feature is on in the bios like C&Q for A64.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: ForgetCassettes
I tried rencoding "Garden State" and it took my E6400 just over 30 minutes. I tried messing with the options in the preferences with little to no change. I checked my device manager and my IDE DVD Burner is also running at Ultra DMA Mode 2. I tried copying the DVD to the hard drive and it was taking forever. I wonder if this could be the big bottleneck. Is there a way to force the DVD Burner to a faster UDMA mode?

EDIT : Nevermind, i just checked and my DVD Burner is limited to UDMA Mode 2

No, because that DVD-Rom drive is also running in UDMA 2.

 

[skriefal]

Same DVD reader that you used with the X2? And it doesn't have a rip-lock in the firmware?

 

[ForgetCassettes]

Here's my findings...

I copied the Garden State DVD(7.66 GB) to my hard drive. Copying the dvd without re-encoding it took 30 minutes and 15 seconds.
Using DVDShrink it took 30 minutes and 8 seconds to copy and re-encode the DVD.
I rencoded the DVD from the hard drive and it only took 2 minutes and 41 seconds.

What I wanna know is how the OP ripped a movie in 12-15 minutes. That would be impossible with the DVD Burner I'm using unless there is some sort of rip-lock that would speed things up. Unfortunately I'm using a Mad Dog Burner (rebadged NEC).

 

[aggressor]

There are modified BIOSes that do take off the reading limit on pressed DVDs.

 

[ForgetCassettes]

I tracked down a hacked firmware for my Mad Dog burner. It removed the rip lock and it also changed it to read like a normal NEC 3500A in device manager. Using the new firmware, I was able to re-encode the "Garden State" DVD in 19:03. That's quite an improvement. Since my burner is kind of old by today's standards, I'm wondering if I could get even better performance with a newer model burner.

 

[MXtra]

My Conroe 6600 and Asus p5w-deluxe just shipped today so I can't compare, but hasn't DvdShrink always taken a long time to backup dvd's? Especially when you use the quality enhancements, it can take quite a long time if the dvd is large and you don't cut stuff out. Nero Recode is made by the creator of DvdShrink and was optimized for multithread so maybe you should try that. I gave up on Shrink a couple years ago and switched to Clonedvd cuz it's faster and lets you cut stuff out of your backup without using a still image.

 

[ForgetCassettes]

From what I can tell, DVD Shrink isn't taking a "long time" to back things up because of any reason other than it takes quite a while to copy nearly 8 gigabytes of information from an optical drive. The CPU isn't really coming into play much.

 

[serializable]

I have the MSI 975x and I was getting really poor performance when I was trying to rip cds to my harddrive. It was taking about 10-15 minutes which is how long it took on my old computer. Turns out I had my optical drives connected to the ide port that is controlled by jmicron. I switched it over to the other ide channel and then it only took about 2 minutes to rip a cd. So maybe thats whats causing the problem for you too? Just a suggestion.

 

[Pabster]

Well, just remember DVDs take longer to rip than CDs. By an order of magnitude

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: ForgetCassettes
Here's my findings...

I copied the Garden State DVD(7.66 GB) to my hard drive. Copying the dvd without re-encoding it took 30 minutes and 15 seconds.
Using DVDShrink it took 30 minutes and 8 seconds to copy and re-encode the DVD.
I rencoded the DVD from the hard drive and it only took 2 minutes and 41 seconds.

What I wanna know is how the OP ripped a movie in 12-15 minutes. That would be impossible with the DVD Burner I'm using unless there is some sort of rip-lock that would speed things up. Unfortunately I'm using a Mad Dog Burner (rebadged NEC).

That's much too SLOW!!!! But my system is an older 939 Athlon NF4.

I can rip Garden State with an NEC 3550A in 7-8 min.

 

[ForgetCassettes]

Originally posted by: serializable
I have the MSI 975x and I was getting really poor performance when I was trying to rip cds to my harddrive. It was taking about 10-15 minutes which is how long it took on my old computer. Turns out I had my optical drives connected to the ide port that is controlled by jmicron. I switched it over to the other ide channel and then it only took about 2 minutes to rip a cd. So maybe thats whats causing the problem for you too? Just a suggestion.

There's only one IDE connector on my Gigabyte DS3. I'd really like to know what is limiting my ripping speed if others can rip Garden State in 7-8 minutes and the best I can get is 19 minutes.

 

[inveterate]

Originally posted by: ForgetCassettes
Here's my findings...

I copied the Garden State DVD(7.66 GB) to my hard drive. Copying the dvd without re-encoding it took 30 minutes and 15 seconds.
Using DVDShrink it took 30 minutes and 8 seconds to copy and re-encode the DVD.
I rencoded the DVD from the hard drive and it only took 2 minutes and 41 seconds.

What I wanna know is how the OP ripped a movie in 12-15 minutes. That would be impossible with the DVD Burner I'm using unless there is some sort of rip-lock that would speed things up. Unfortunately I'm using a Mad Dog Burner (rebadged NEC).

All this talk about Garden State, ,thats probably ur problem, That flic SUXorz.

 

[htne]

Different DVD drives perform dramatically different when it comes to reading a DVD movie. Many drives do have in their firmware what is called a "riplock". This "riplock" kicks in when they see a sub-directory named "VIDEO_TS" on the disk. The idea is, if you're watching a DVD movie playback, the drive should only run at low speed, thus remaining quiet, as a faster drive would be louder and interfere with your movie watching. Other drives do not come with a "riplock", and many drives which do have the riplock, can have it removed by flashing with a special "non-riplock" firmware. Your best source of information will be the forums at http://club.cdfreaks.com

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: inveterate

All this talk about Garden State, ,thats probably ur problem, That flic SUXorz.

Actually, it's a great movie.

Must be your taste in movies that sux0rs

 

[ForgetCassettes]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: inveterate

All this talk about Garden State, ,thats probably ur problem, That flic SUXorz.

Actually, it's a great movie.

Must be your taste in movies that sux0rs

QFT

 

[NMDante]

I noticed that when I use DVDShrink, it doesn't fly through a DVD (ripping/encoding) unless it's about the same size (4.5GB) or smaller.

If it is larger, and needs alot of compression, it usually takes a hour or so (using a P4 3.0) to rip/encode to the HD.

If you use alot of image enhancements, and such, it might just make the encoding take longer, almost like doing 2-4 passes on DVD creation.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: serializable
I have the MSI 975x and I was getting really poor performance when I was trying to rip cds to my harddrive. It was taking about 10-15 minutes which is how long it took on my old computer. Turns out I had my optical drives connected to the ide port that is controlled by jmicron. I switched it over to the other ide channel and then it only took about 2 minutes to rip a cd. So maybe thats whats causing the problem for you too? Just a suggestion.

JESUS, i swtiched IDE channels and now i'm gettin 100% usage but now it take 90 MINUTES TO RIP 4.7 GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: ForgetCassettes
I tried rencoding "Garden State" and it took my E6400 just over 30 minutes. I tried messing with the options in the preferences with little to no change. I checked my device manager and my IDE DVD Burner is also running at Ultra DMA Mode 2. I tried copying the DVD to the hard drive and it was taking forever. I wonder if this could be the big bottleneck. Is there a way to force the DVD Burner to a faster UDMA mode?

EDIT : Nevermind, i just checked and my DVD Burner is limited to UDMA Mode 2

Look. Probably all of are DVD burners are Ultra DMA Mode 2. NO DVD BURNER would ever go faster then the 33mB/s that UDMA Mode 2 would give you. At 16x Your going at ~20mB/s.

Try using DVD Decrypter set to Iso "read mode" and copy it do the HD. Then mount it in something like Alcohol 120% (or free Daemon Tools) and see how fast it goes then (that would elminiate the DVD Bottleneck if it ever was one)

Also run the backup in Normal or High priority and make sure no power saving feature is on in the bios like C&Q for A64.

My Lite-On DVD burner is UDMA4. See?