Hot Aspire Notebook

maddogchen

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Aspire 3003WLCi Notebook
Mobile AMD Sempron 3000+ 1.8GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, 40GB Hard Drive, 15.4-inch WXGA TFT Display, 8X DVD / 24X24X24 CD-RW Combo Drive, Windows XP Home EditionAMD Sempron
Manufacturer: Acer
Mfg Part #: LX.A5505.352
Product Number: 333040


* 65-watt AC adapter
* 4-cell lithium ion battery

Height: 1.5 in
Width: 14.3 in
Depth: 11.0 in
Weight: 6.2 lbs
 

Devistater

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Originally posted by: HexiumVII
512MB ram is not bad. How is the throttling on Semprons?

Not sure what you mean. I know that on my 1.8 ghz desktop athlon it goes from 1.0 to 1.8 ghz depending on load using a thing called AMD cool n quiet.
 

yourdeardaniel

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the Best Buy $399-$450 laptop seem better if u dont want to deal with rebates & if its available
this one has more ram (256 vs 512mb).
 

oupei

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can the rebate be submitted online? online submission has been very reliable for me.
 

RossMAN

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Nice price.

Although this has a $200 rebate, it is slightly better than the $399 Toshiba @ BB:

512MB RAM vs 256
15.4" WXGA
Sempron vs Celeron
1 year waranty vs 90 days
 

kaborka

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Seems like a great deal. Acer nb has good rep. I recently got the Compaq Presario v2000z deal from this thread. (Staples deal had 512MB.) The Acer uses the SIS M760GX chipset/IGE, whereas the Compaq has the Radeon 200 chipset.
 

Fardringle

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This laptop looks better overall than the Best Buy Toshiba deal:


Acer vs. Toshiba:

* Sempron 3000+ vs. Celeron M 1.6Ghz (strong win for Acer)
* 512MB PC 2700 RAM vs. 256MB PC 4200 DDR2 RAM (small win for Acer - more memory and easier to upgrade, but slower ram which affects shared video performance - probably want to upgrade to PC3300 or faster if you play any games at all)
* 15.4" WXGA (1280x800) vs. 15" XGA screen (1024x768) (very strong win for Acer)
* 1 year warranty vs. 90 day warranty (very strong win for Acer)
* SiS M760GX vs. Radeon Express 200M (strong win for Toshiba if you ever want to play games)
* Mono speaker and headphones vs. Stereo speakers and headphones (minor win for Toshiba unless you're watching movies - which you should be on the Acer's widescreen display, in which case it's a strong win for Toshiba)
* 6.2 lbs vs. 5.7 lbs (minor win for Toshiba)
* $549 after tax and rebate (for me) vs. $496 after tax (minor win for Toshiba) ($446 if you can get one for $399 plus tax)
* No rebate on the Toshiba (minor win for Toshiba)

Both have Windows XP Home
Both have a 40GB 5400RPM hard drive
Both have a DVD/CD-RW Combo drive
Both have built-in modem, LAN, and wireless
Both have 4-cell LiIon batteries (~1.5hour life)


Overall score based on the things that seem to matter to most people (giving 1 point for minor, 2 points for strong wins, no points for ties):

Acer: 7
Toshiba: 6

So, in this case it really comes down to whether a rebate or the longer warranty matters to you, if you want 3:4 or widescreen, and if you ever plan to play any games at all (Radeon 200M won't play many games but it will do better than the SiS chipset). I've never had any problems with CompUSA rebates, so if games and a $50 difference in price don't really matter to you, it comes out to 7 points for Acer, 3 points for Toshiba...
 

Fardringle

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The few reviews that I have found for this model laptop all seem to indicate that it is the CrystalBrite screen, but my local CompUSA doesn't actually have one in stock so I don't know for certain if this particular sale item has that screen or not...
 

kaborka

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My guess is the Radeon IGP chipset is better than the SIS. Plus, I'm expecting better TV out on the Radeon than the SIS. I can't verify either assertion, though.

Other consideration: the Sempron requires DDR memory. The Tosh uses DDR2 sodimms, which for some reason are much more likely to be on sale than the DDR ones.
 

Fardringle

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I've done some more searching, and according to Acer and several other sources SKU LX.A5505.352 (the one on sale at CompUSA) does come with the CrystalBrite screen so this is a definite plus.


kaborka, the Radeon Express 200M is definitely better graphics than the Mirage2 graphics that are part of the SiS integrated chipset if you are going to be playing games at all, but even the 200M won't do more than absolute lowest settings in any games made in the last year or two. Neither one of these laptops is intended for games, though, so it probably won't make much difference for the target market. If you want a gaming laptop, you'll be looking at spending 2-3 times as much (or more).

TV output will almost definitely be better on the Toshiba since it has SVideo Out and the Acer just has RCA and VGA, so if you do a lot of work connected to a TV the Toshiba would be the better choice unless your TV has a VGA input.

The memory cost difference can be a consideration, but you should also note that there is a free memory slot on the Acer according to manufacturer specs (single 512MB stick as shipped from the factory), and the Toshiba has dual 128MB RAM sticks so you can upgrade the Acer with one stick of any size, but you'll need two matched sticks (for dual channel) if you want to upgrade the Toshiba. It's probably not a big deal either way, but something to be aware of.
 

kaborka

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Originally posted by: Fardringle
...TV output will almost definitely be better on the Toshiba since it has SVideo Out and the Acer just has RCA and VGA, so if you do a lot of work connected to a TV the Toshiba would be the better choice unless your TV has a VGA input.
Good point! I didn't check the vid-out on the Acer. The Presario nb I got does have s-vid out.

Re memory: Crucial says the Acer 3000 series uses PC-2700 sodimms, which surprised me. Might be worth checking out what's really going on with the bus speeds in this nb.

 
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this notebook is famous for being cheap.

it is also famous for having a extreamly short battery life. ( 4 cell battery with sempron..)

Real life battery life = 45 min on good day 1hr 15 min on lucky day.

you must be plugged in.. which does not meet my need.
 

Sepen

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FYI, I bought my son the 3003 last July. In September it stopped booting and I sent it in for repairs. Acer paid for shipping and even had Fedex pick it up. We got it back 3 days later. MB was replaced. Total turnaround time from call to getting the unit back, 5 days.

2 weeks later same thing happened. Called again, same scenario as above. This time turnaround was 4 days. It has run perfectly since then.

Exceptional support. I would recommend them for this alone.
 

Fardringle

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I received my laptop earlier today and have spent most of the afternoon and evening playing with it.

If you do get this laptop and want to use wireless, make sure you go into the Windows Control Panel, double-click on the Broadcom Wireless Utility icon, then click the check box that says "Let this tool manage your wireless settings." I spent a couple of hours fighting to get the laptop to connect to a WEP-encrypted network and it just wouldn't do it until I told the system to use the Broadcom utility instead of the Windows "Wireless Zero" utility. It's been working perfectly on wireless ever since.

Anyway, here's my impressions of the laptop after about 8 hours of play time:

First off, the battery life on the laptop is nothing special, but it's nowhere near as bad as what tkidd said. I charged the battery up to full and then unplugged it and kept it running full power until the battery was drained completely. I didn't play any movies since I didn't have any on me at the time but using wireless the entire time and playing online java/flash games and web surfing I got 94 minutes of run-time out of the battery. As I said, it's nothing special, but certainly enough for short trips and times when you just don't want to plug in. If you need a lot more battery life, the 8-cell battery might be worth considering.

The laptop does get warm on the bottom. It's not at all hot, but after running it for almost four hours straight (I shut it down for a while to bring it home from the in-laws') the center of the laptop on the bottom is warm enough that it might be uncomfortable to some people so for extended use you might want to put it on a desk.

The screen is very sharp, bright and clear. Mine has no dead pixels at all. There is some very slight light bleed in the upper left corner but it's only noticeable on a very dark screen (might be an issue when playing dark movies). I found it odd but amusing that the Windows Display Properties actually let me set the screen resolution to 2048x1536. It did so using overlay (only see 1280x800 pixels at a time and scroll to other parts of the screen) but I thought I'd mention it if that sort of thing appeals to you.

There is a very small amount of flex in the screen if you push in opposite directions on the upper corners of the screen but I had to put a decent amount of pressure on the screen to get any movement at all and I wasn't about to push hard enough to see what it would take to actually flex the screen.

The keyboard is very quiet and comfortable to use. Some of the special function keys are in different places than on a desktop keyboard but the letters and numbers are spaced exactly the same as on a desktop keyboard, making it very easy to type quickly. If you have long fingernails you might have a bit of trouble with the keyboard, though. The keys themselves are so shallow that it's possible to slide your fingernails under adjacent keys while typing so you'll want to be careful with this. This is a pretty common thing with laptop keyboards and I have short nails so it doesn't affect me, but again I thought I'd mention it.

Although I knew this before I purchased the laptop, I am a little bit disappointed that it doesn't have TV-out or Firewire connections. There is actually a spot on the front of the laptop where a Firewire port should go, but it is sealed over, and the only "video out" connection is the standard VGA connection so as was mentioned previously, if you want to connect to a TV, this isn't the laptop for you. I don't connect to a TV so that doesn't matter to me, but I do have a firewire video camera and it would be nice to have the option available to connect it to the laptop while traveling.

Most likely one of the first things you'll want to do when you get the laptop is to go into the system BIOS and change the video RAM setting from 128MB to 32MB. 32MB is the lowest setting available or I'd probably go even lower since any memory assigned to the video card is taken away from the 512MB of total system memory, and since you're not going to be playing games on this laptop, there's no sense in wasting RAM that could be helping to run your applications faster.

The CD burner seems to work fairly well. The few discs I tested took about 6 minutes from start to completion for a full 700MB disc.

The touchpad is much nicer than I expected. It is "widescreen" in size to match the size of the laptop monitor and, unlike most touchpads I have used, it doesn't send a "click" to Windows if you breathe on it wrong. I wasn't able to find a way to completely turn off the tap-to-click function in the touchpad's driver utility, but it actually takes a pretty solid tap to get a "click" to register in Windows so that's not nearly as much of a concern as it is with most other laptops I have used.

Also, despite what I said in an earlier post about the laptop having mono speaker and headphone jacks (I said this based on information from a couple of different sites that were selling the laptop and listed mono sound in the specs), my laptop does have stereo speakers and a stereo headphone jack. The sound from the speakers is passable as far as laptop speakers go, but if you're watching a movie or listening to music and care at all about sound quality, headphones are definitely the way to go.


The one thing that annoys me about this laptop more than anything else is that it comes from Acer with the 40GB hard drive split into two partitions formatted with FAT32. This isn't a huge concern as far as actual use of the laptop goes, but with such a relatively small drive there's no reason at all to be splitting it in half, and NTFS is definitely preferable when running Windows XP...


edit: Fixed a couple of typos.
 

Fardringle

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Originally posted by: kaborka
Re memory: Crucial says the Acer 3000 series uses PC-2700 sodimms, which surprised me. Might be worth checking out what's really going on with the bus speeds in this nb.


I just ran CPU-Z on my laptop and it does say that the installed memory is Nanya PC2700 running at 166 bus speed while the CPU itself is running at 200 FSB. It might be interesting to see if I can get my hands on some PC3200 or better SODIMMS to see if the laptop will run them at the full 200 FSB.
 
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