House Passes 1/6 Commission

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No, the SS sources (Bobby Engel and the driver) aren't pleading the 5th. They came forward as willing to testify under oath what others have testified about under oath, so someone's lying.

Well, some guy reported that some guy who is close to some other guys said those guys are willing to testify.

Really, this account that was told to Cassidy Hutchinson is just a wild sideline to the meat of her testimony. It really should be ignored unless someone with actual first-hand knowledge testifies.
 

gothuevos

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Great, so this has quickly devolved into a "he said, she said" situation. Why do they keep giving the RW media all of this fodder?

But hey, at least it made for great TV. Amateurs, though.
 

JD50

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I really couldn't care less about this tantrum and grabbing the wheel stuff, that shouldn't surprise anyone. We need to stick with the "THEY AREN'T HERE TO HURT ME" story where he fucking knew they were armed and sent them to march on the Capitol anyways. There's a reason conservative media is talking about the SS agents denying the the former story and ignoring the latter. Do not drop the ball here Democrats, please.
 

esquared

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The main bombshell was Trump asking SS to take down Mags at the Ellipse prior to STS rally/speech, which establishes he knew some of his supporters were armed, and he said “they aren’t here to hurt me”. That adds to the pile of evidence that Trump was aware of the prospect of violence on 1/6 and didn’t just do nothing—he cheered it on.

Second bombshell was Trump literally grabbing the wheel of his Presidential limousine when SS refused to go to the Capitol [for Trump’s own safety] and nearly assaulting an SS agent for disobeying his request to be at the Capitol amongst his horde.

There was some other stuff about Meadows but I’m not caught up yet.

Mick Mulgrifty’s take:

From Monica Lewinsky's twitter.

 

zinfamous

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After he was in office he did a lot of things I disagreed with. He has no filter and is overly crude.

I don't have "regrets" about anything. Unfortunately I don't have a crystal ball and cannot fore tell the future as many on the left seem to claim they are able to do.

I personally hope that Trump doesn't run again. I also hope that Biden or Harris don't run either. I would find it hard to vote for Trump again, Biden is past his use by date and Kamala Harris is worthless by any measure. I can't imagine she being President of the US.

I like how you describe "making honest, significant predictions based on all available evidence," as "using a magic ball."

LMAO! It's like, you are the personification of the fucking dumb republican. "All that fancy reading and watching and listening and a'booking and doing math and stuff, and knowing history, and things, is just too complicated for me so it MUST BE MAGIC and DAWM then Libruls for looking down on me for it!"

I mean, shit man.
 

JTsyo

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Heard spin by Fox earlier. Her testimony about the limo was second hand. SS said ready to testify Trump didn’t “lunge”

However there is a claim agent told Trump to “ take your hands off the wheel”. They may try to wordsmith it

However her info on the seized weapons at the speech and the fact Trump knew it is first hand. Also that Trump told his supporters march to the capital knowing they were armed. Fox stayed away from that

Maybe someone here can check out Fox propaganda shows tonight and count the lies
He the whole wheel thing is a side thing and worthless for a criminal investigation. The other facts aren't.The point that he knew they were armed and would hurt people is the main take away. Also it looks like Mark Meadows was in on it.
 

zinfamous

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So you knew what he was going to do (bad stuff) before he was in office.

Everyone knew he was a bit of a low-level capo in his or someone else's version of a local cosa nostra (or much worse), or at the very least ran his entire life grift like one. That's always who he was, what he is, and it was never a fucking mystery. Not once. If you had eyes and brains, you knew exactly who he was and the tenor of what he would do as a "leader."

It's demonstrably pathetic--and a complete failure to be a human participant in the modern world--to be the type of person that calls themselves an adult and also didn't understand the plain truth of that above statement, no later than 2015.
 

soundforbjt

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No, the SS sources (Bobby Engel and the driver) aren't pleading the 5th. They came forward as willing to testify under oath what others have testified about under oath, so someone's lying.
There are trumpets in the SS, I’d imagine he had the trumpiest as his personal detail.
 
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zinfamous

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Did you guys see Flynn take the fifth to the question "Do you believe in peaceful transfer of power"?

Holy crap. Its got insurrection sedition civil war written all over it.

yeah, that shit was hilarious. The amount of times "their feed just dropped" or, you know, Flynn just stared bug-eyed into that camera.

I mean, jesus fucking christ. Did they shove meth up that fucker's nose before the interview started?

what a nutcase.
 
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zinfamous

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Could you be any more sexist or ageist?

Or it's just part of the same old organized "slutify/shame/discredit the star witness against my team" shenanigans. Yet again. Because, yeah that never happens, right?


I mean, let's be real--FOX and OANN have already been going hard against her by now, right? I haven't been paying attention to any news this evening, but I would be shocked if the effort to slut this girl isn't already in full-fucking force on the grand derposphere.
 

zinfamous

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"a source" says something does absolutely nothing to refute what is already on the record. And it won't, until such time as those in question are actually stating that under oath.

Put it this way ... a congressional committee, made up of tons of lawyers, assisted by committee COUNSEL, have 1000s of ON THE RECORD sworn statements. Do you think that all of those combined would have put this woman on live national TV without having corroborating statements? For reference, in this specific story, she's relaying what she was told by another individual (Ornato). One who also has been interviewed by the committee. Now, what do you think he told them in his testimony? Could it be exactly what she stated???? Hmmmm ... I wonder ...

This. They've already corroborated all of this. The only reason she is out there today, is because the know it's solid.

tweets like that about "a source" are literally coming from Guiliani/Trump, putting some words through various channels, to basically pressure the SS agents involved to testify. They think they are terrifying the SS agents to do something, but Drump and Guiliani don't actually know what the SS agents know, lol.

I mean, it's just a fucking clown show at the derposphere.
 

zinfamous

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You're the one that suggested in this thread that the young White House staffer was a sexual object for the White House, with no rationale to support such a claim, so it sounds like a you problem.

"But Trump said bad things, too! I'm not Trump, you see! I don't even like him!"

That's the problem with this kind of thinking, how pervasive it gets. You often can't recognize what you're doing because you are "part of the team" on most issues, and particularly the one under discussion....but then it just slips in. heh?
 
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JD50

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I like how you describe "making honest, significant predictions based on all available evidence," as "using a magic ball."

LMAO! It's like, you are the personification of the fucking dumb republican. "All that fancy reading and watching and listening and a'booking and doing math and stuff, and knowing history, and things, is just too complicated for me so it MUST BE MAGIC and DAWM then Libruls for looking down on me for it!"

I mean, shit man.

The fact that he thinks we needed a crystal ball to predict that Trump would do shitty things is pretty telling. Especially considering the fact that he was here on these forums in 2015 when we were shouting from the roof tops that Trump would do shitty things.

Anyways he's completely missing the point, it's not about "needing a crystal ball" to know what would happen in the future, it's about reflecting on what has happened in the past and acknowledging that you had poor judgement and made a mistake. That is how you grow as a person and avoid making a similar mistake in the future without the need of a crystal ball. Not surprisingly this is a foreign concept to him and millions of his peers.
 
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HomerJS

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The fact that he thinks we needed a crystal ball to predict that Trump would do shitty things is pretty telling. Especially considering the fact that he was here on these forums in 2015 when we were shouting from the roof tops that Trump would do shitty things.

Anyways he's completely missing the point, it's not about "needing a crystal ball" to know what would happen in the future, it's about reflecting on what has happened in the past and acknowledging that you had poor judgement and made a mistake. That is how you grow as a person and avoid making a similar mistake in the future without the need of a crystal ball. Not surprisingly this is a foreign concept to him and millions of his peers.

He has no regrets about voting for Trump in 2016 which means knowing what we know now he would make that decision again.

How sad for moral character
 

eelw

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I can't remember if it were the first or second impeachment, but the Senate opted to not hear testimony. Thanks again, fucking turtle.
Moscow Mitch was cunning though. Delay vote until after the inauguration but before senate control officially changed hands to D.
 
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gothuevos

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The J6 committee up to this point had done a pretty good job, but I feel like they dropped the ball today especially with all the hype. Should have just focused on what Hutchinson actually heard or was direct witness to (weapons at the rally, they're not here to hurt me, etc, plenty here to unpack). Instead they let her second hand hearsay about some sideshow nonsense become a massive talking point for the RW media system and it risks diluting her entire testimony, or worse yet, calling the entire thing into question. You'd think after 6 years the Dems would have this figured out yet they still continue to look a couple steps behind. Even if the SS agents never testify under the oath, the damage to her credibility is likely done, even if it's a little bit - and more importantly, notice how the attention has been shifted away from the more critical parts of her testimony.

Why even mention the dishes or trying to grab the steering wheel? Seems like going out of their way to take a shot at the guy when instead they need to be focusing on bringing an airtight case against those who organized this thing. Good for a laugh, but at the expense of your witness' credibility? FOCUS.
 
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uclaLabrat

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The J6 committee up to this point had done a pretty good job, but I feel like they dropped the ball today especially with all the hype. Should have just focused on what Hutchinson actually heard or was direct witness to (weapons at the rally, they're not here to hurt me, etc, plenty here to unpack). Instead they let her second hand hearsay about some sideshow nonsense become a massive talking point for the RW media system and it risks diluting her entire testimony, or worse yet, calling the entire thing into question. You'd think after 6 years the Dems would have this figured out yet they still continue to look a couple steps behind. Even if the SS agents never testify under the oath, the damage to her credibility is likely done, even if it's a little bit - and more importantly, notice how the attention has been shifted away from the more critical parts of her testimony.

Why even mention the dishes or trying to grab the steering wheel? Seems like going out of their way to take a shot at the guy when instead they need to be focusing on bringing an airtight case against those who organized this thing. Good for a laugh, but at the expense of your witness' credibility? FOCUS.
Nothing about today didnt live up to the hype. Today was fucking DEVASTATING. An unhinged shitbird pulling every treasonous act in an attempt to hold on to power.
 

woolfe9998

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Everyone knew he was a bit of a low-level capo in his or someone else's version of a local cosa nostra (or much worse), or at the very least ran his entire life grift like one. That's always who he was, what he is, and it was never a fucking mystery. Not once. If you had eyes and brains, you knew exactly who he was and the tenor of what he would do as a "leader."

It's demonstrably pathetic--and a complete failure to be a human participant in the modern world--to be the type of person that calls themselves an adult and also didn't understand the plain truth of that above statement, no later than 2015.

It has amazed me since I first heard him announce his candidacy in 2015 that anyone could not see who this man is. To anyone who has paid any fucking attention whatsoever, not one thing he has done is the slightest bit surprising. Even the small stuff like throwing food when he's angry, like a child throwing a trantrum. I mean, HRC said it, in 2016, "Donald Tump is tempermentally unfit to be President of the United States." My first thought when I heard that was, well DUH.
 
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