Me? Fuck that shit...I'm a single family home owner...seems like everyone arguing for more and more housing is arguing for this kind of shit.
Me? Fuck that shit...I'm a single family home owner...seems like everyone arguing for more and more housing is arguing for this kind of shit.What’s amusing is this represents central planning, the thing you’re arguing for.
Nice job owning yourself!
Have I? Yes...hated it. Too crowded, too much traffic, too much crime. It's fine for those who want to live there...but it ain't for me.Have you ever been to a major city in America before?
Do you also get your Urban planning information from a Russian troll farm blog?
Those are houses built based around central planning of home ownership. Thats the zoning you love on steroids.Me? Fuck that shit...I'm a single family home owner...seems like everyone arguing for more and more housing is arguing for this kind of shit.
No, that's Soviet "khrushchevka" apartment blocks. No private ownership... Fuck that shit...and fuck all this "we need more housing density" to drive down prices. That MIGHT work in some places, but it takes big money to build multi-family housing...apartment buildings, BIG buildings like NYC and Chicago have in their downtown areas...corporate investor money...but not everyone wants to live "nuts to butt" with their neighbors.Those are houses built based around central planning of home ownership. Thats the zoning you love on steroids.
Private ownership means you can build what you want on land you own. You are endorsing the Soviet model.No, that's Soviet "khrushchevka" apartment blocks. No private ownership... Fuck that shit...and fuck all this "we need more housing density" to drive down prices. That MIGHT work in some places, but it takes big money to build multi-family housing...apartment buildings, BIG buildings like NYC and Chicago have in their downtown areas...corporate investor money...but not everyone wants to live "nuts to butt" with their neighbors.
I like where I'm at. I have a 3/2.5 house (with a separate office) on a ~9000 sq/ft lot in between two similar sized houses on similar sized lots. Our property backs up to state owned wetlands. No one will ever build there. One house has a family living in it. They own the local Chinese restaurant. They had 4 kids when we first moved in...2 have grown up and gone off to college and are usually only here during the summer months. If the school bus didn't stop there, I'd never know they even have kids.
The house on the other side of me is a vacation house for a contractor from the Tacoma area and his family. In the 5 1/2 years we've lived here, they've been here overnight or longer less than 10 times. Their daughter has grown up and gone to college and he's more into racing cars than relaxing at the beach.
It's FCKN quiet here. Most nights, I can hear the surf way off in the distance, the wind in the trees...and occasionally, coyotes yipping off in the wetlands.
During the day, since we're one block off one of the "arterials" here, I hear a few cars/trucks, the occasional siren, sometimes a lawn mower...and birds galore.
More housing? Not here...although the contractors keep building and building and building until there are no vacant lots left in town. We DO need more multi-family housing here. (apartments) Our housing market is still crazy busy. Most new houses are sold before they even break ground...Then where will the wildlife go? We have deer...more deer than people allegedly, black bears...MANY black bears, a few cougar, plus the usual vermin...raccoons, opossums, otters, mink, rats, etc.
We are a tourist town. Our businesses do good during the summer months...then either close or operate on reduced hours from Labor Day until March or April...or they put aside enough money from the busy season to keep them going and keep their employees working and getting paid through the off season. More apartments might provide some much needed housing for the folks who work the service jobs that keep our town going...but come winter and their jobs go away...who pays their rent then?
"Within the local building and zoning codes." Seems like those pushing for more housing density are the ones endorsing the Soviet model.Private ownership means you can build what you want on land you own. You are endorsing the Soviet model.
I mean you're borderline paranoid conspiracy theorists on this whole thing. Giving a Russian example of central planning over what we have here in America, And then this giant conspiracy that All of a sudden developers are going to build buildings and ruin your quiet life If we dare increase housing density.No, that's Soviet "khrushchevka" apartment blocks. No private ownership... Fuck that shit...and fuck all this "we need more housing density" to drive down prices. That MIGHT work in some places, but it takes big money to build multi-family housing...apartment buildings, BIG buildings like NYC and Chicago have in their downtown areas...corporate investor money...but not everyone wants to live "nuts to butt" with their neighbors.
I like where I'm at. I have a 3/2.5 house (with a separate office) on a ~9000 sq/ft lot in between two similar sized houses on similar sized lots. Our property backs up to state owned wetlands. No one will ever build there. One house has a family living in it. They own the local Chinese restaurant. They had 4 kids when we first moved in...2 have grown up and gone off to college and are usually only here during the summer months. If the school bus didn't stop there, I'd never know they even have kids.
The house on the other side of me is a vacation house for a contractor from the Tacoma area and his family. In the 5 1/2 years we've lived here, they've been here overnight or longer less than 10 times. Their daughter has grown up and gone to college and he's more into racing cars than relaxing at the beach.
It's FCKN quiet here. Most nights, I can hear the surf way off in the distance, the wind in the trees...and occasionally, coyotes yipping off in the wetlands.
During the day, since we're one block off one of the "arterials" here, I hear a few cars/trucks, the occasional siren, sometimes a lawn mower...and birds galore.
More housing? Not here...although the contractors keep building and building and building until there are no vacant lots left in town. We DO need more multi-family housing here. (apartments) Our housing market is still crazy busy. Most new houses are sold before they even break ground...Then where will the wildlife go? We have deer...more deer than people allegedly, black bears...MANY black bears, a few cougar, plus the usual vermin...raccoons, opossums, otters, mink, rats, etc.
We are a tourist town. Our businesses do good during the summer months...then either close or operate on reduced hours from Labor Day until March or April...or they put aside enough money from the busy season to keep them going and keep their employees working and getting paid through the off season. More apartments might provide some much needed housing for the folks who work the service jobs that keep our town going...but come winter and their jobs go away...who pays their rent then?
Cool...so I'm so much more than just a Biden Cultist!I mean you're borderline paranoid conspiracy theorists on this whole thing. Giving a Russian example of central planning over what we have here in America, And then this giant conspiracy that All of a sudden developers are going to build buildings and ruin your quiet life If we dare increase housing density.
You're completely fucking paranoid. Total q Anon level right now.
Oh by the way you do realize that the Big cities in your state are subsidizing your lifestyle. All you can do is talk shit about them. That's very ungrateful for who supporting your lifestyle by the way, And who nobody really wants to Do any of your paranoid conspiracies.
It's nice that you appreciate that the lack of housing is screwing over to local workers that your economy needs, But whatever go fuck themselves because they may not be in use in Winter although you haven't proposed any possible other solutions what to do with those places.
To be clear you think the people asking for LESS regulation are the Soviets here?"Within the local building and zoning codes." Seems like those pushing for more housing density are the ones endorsing the Soviet model.
You sure you have pure air with cows nearby?Get tf out the city . I see cows everyday to and from work. Beautiful creatures. Pure air makes you smile.
Get tf out the city . I see cows everyday to and from work. Beautiful creatures. Pure air makes you smile.
Reread the first part of post 55 and try to understand that there is a HUGE and DIVERSE middle ground between single-family homes and giant apartment complexes.Me? Fuck that shit...I'm a single family home owner...seems like everyone arguing for more and more housing is arguing for this kind of shit.
To be clear you think the people asking for LESS regulation are the Soviets here?
'Can I build a three story building using private funds on my own land?I don't know how you look at our building codes and go "yup, that's freedom". A system entirely captured by narrow interests.
Also:'Can I build a three story building using private funds on my own land?
'No, that's communism.'
Clearly you don't understand building codes or the point of them. Yes, there are a few that don't make a lot of sense, most are in place so that developers don't construct death trap shacks with enormous maintenance and energy costs.I don't know how you look at our building codes and go "yup, that's freedom". A system entirely captured by narrow interests.
There is no such thing as affordable housing. Apartment construction costs start at $350sf at the bottom end. Go to SF and it's double that amount.
New construction is often not going to be affordable, especially given the various mandates placed on it.There is no such thing as affordable housing. Apartment construction costs start at $350sf at the bottom end. Go to SF and it's double that amount.
Clearly you don't understand building codes or the point of them. Yes, there are a few that don't make a lot of sense, most are in place so that developers don't construct death trap shacks with enormous maintenance and energy costs.
In every case the goal is to get back to the answer of 'don't build housing', it's just the path is sometimes different.The deep questions about WHY its so much more expensive for us to build than any other 1st world nation still avoided I see.
Clearly you don't understand building codes or the point of them. Yes, there are a few that don't make a lot of sense, most are in place so that developers don't construct death trap shacks with enormous maintenance and energy costs.
It seems like mostly motivated reasoning. People on some level see the housing crisis, the mass homelessness it's caused, the huge suffering, and they feel bad. That being said, they like the fact that their home has doubled in value or whatever and they like how the government bans new housing construction near them so they have to come up with 'objective' reasons why the status quo is actually good and/or the only solution.I'm starting to think the people who don't want to build housing aren't honest in their arguments......