Density restrictions, lot size, parking requirements aren't addressed under the IRC, those are city or county ordinances.
Density restrictions, lot size, parking requirements aren't addressed under the IRC, those are city or county ordinances.Yeah, he was TOOOOTALY talking about building safety codes and not codes that restrict MFH and density.
TOOOOTALY.
JFC.
All of those ideas might trim 15% off the cost, unless we pay those immigrant workers minimum wage. My hunch is the unions would have a bit to say about that.New construction is often not going to be affordable, especially given the various mandates placed on it.
Regardless, this report says you're off on SF construction costs.
San Francisco ranked the world's most expensive city for construction
The city overtakes Tokyo as inflation and supply chain snarls affect markets across the globe.www.constructiondive.com
That being said, there are a lot of smart things we can do to lower construction costs as already mentioned. Eliminate parking minimums, go to single stairwell construction like the rest of the developed world, cut the massive permitting red tape, allow easier immigration for skilled construction labor, etc. So many ways to make housing cheaper to build!
Remember, that's just the start! Regardless, let's say your estimate is accurate, a 15% decline in housing construction costs would be huge, and at essentially no actual cost to society! Talk about a win.All of those ideas might trim 15% off the cost, unless we pay those immigrant workers minimum wage. My hunch is the unions would have a bit to say about that.
All of those ideas might trim 15% off the cost, unless we pay those immigrant workers minimum wage. My hunch is the unions would have a bit to say about that.
Exactly. Only crime is doing nothing.We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
Remember, that's just the start! Regardless, let's say your estimate is accurate, a 15% decline in housing construction costs would be huge, and at essentially no actual cost to society! Talk about a win.
The idea that "it's only a 15% decline" and thinking we shouldn't worry about it is kind of ridiculous. A $750k unit now going for $638k means a lower down payment (75k vs 64k, assuming 10%) and a lower mortgage monthly amount ($5550 vs $4750). I think buyers would care that they could save nearly $10k on the down payment and $800/mo.Remember, that's just the start! Regardless, let's say your estimate is accurate, a 15% decline in housing construction costs would be huge, and at essentially no actual cost to society! Talk about a win.
The dishonesty is painful.All of those ideas might trim 15% off the cost, unless we pay those immigrant workers minimum wage. My hunch is the unions would have a bit to say about that.
As always, Greenman is willfully ignorant and also just basically obtuse. He has no ability to deal in facts or reality. All he has is a regressive right-wing agenda of misleading to total misinformation, and always mixed in with the stupid observations of someone with a sub 100 IQ.The idea that "it's only a 15% decline" and thinking we shouldn't worry about it is kind of ridiculous. A $750k unit now going for $638k means a lower down payment (75k vs 64k, assuming 10%) and a lower mortgage monthly amount ($5550 vs $4750). I think buyers would care that they could save nearly $10k on the down payment and $800/mo.
The idea that "it's only a 15% decline" and thinking we shouldn't worry about it is kind of ridiculous. A $750k unit now going for $638k means a lower down payment (75k vs 64k, assuming 10%) and a lower mortgage monthly amount ($5550 vs $4750). I think buyers would care that they could save nearly $10k on the down payment and $800/mo.
"That's because a bunch of people think change is a good thing, without ever looking at evidence to the contrary."We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
I wonder if McCook is a great example, given that it's in Bumfuck and yet even there housing prices have shot up these last few years, in many cases 200% over the last ten...View attachment 102637
The "anti-housing where I live" crowd just wants this.
The biggest part of that is importing a peasant class to do the actual work, and getting the unions to go along with the plan.Remember, that's just the start! Regardless, let's say your estimate is accurate, a 15% decline in housing construction costs would be huge, and at essentially no actual cost to society! Talk about a win.
The biggest part of that is importing a peasant class to do the actual work, and getting the unions to go along with the plan.
Clearly you don't understand building codes or the point of them. Yes, there are a few that don't make a lot of sense, most are in place so that developers don't construct death trap shacks with enormous maintenance and energy costs.
New construction is often not going to be affordable, especially given the various mandates placed on it.
Regardless, this report says you're off on SF construction costs.
San Francisco ranked the world's most expensive city for construction
The city overtakes Tokyo as inflation and supply chain snarls affect markets across the globe.www.constructiondive.com
That being said, there are a lot of smart things we can do to lower construction costs as already mentioned. Eliminate parking minimums, go to single stairwell construction like the rest of the developed world, cut the massive permitting red tape, allow easier immigration for skilled construction labor, etc. So many ways to make housing cheaper to build!
And perhaps you'd like to name those reasons.So much for building quality construction instead of death traps.
Fskimo, you do know there are more reasons for multiple stairwells than just convenience…right?
Yes, they are a misguided 'safety' measure that does little for safety but makes constructing efficient apartment buildings design extremely difficult and drives up cost. Nobody is arguing that a 50 story building should have only one means of egress, but six floors and below absolutely should along with a fire ladder, which would work fine.So much for building quality construction instead of death traps.
Fskimo, you do know there are more reasons for multiple stairwells than just convenience…right?
No need - the corporations explicitly state that the reason they buy them is because of ongoing government constraints on adequate housing construction.You could always tell tourists/corporations buying up houses and illegal residents to go home..
Why build more houses when [point to something only tangentially related]?You could always tell tourists/corporations buying up houses and illegal residents to go home..
Yes, they are a misguided 'safety' measure that does little for safety but makes constructing efficient apartment buildings design extremely difficult and drives up cost. Nobody is arguing that a 50 story building should have only one means of egress, but six floors and below absolutely should along with a fire ladder, which would work fine.
For example NYC has plenty of buildings that were built with a single stairwell but grandfathered in because they were made before the new building code. Is there some epidemic of fire deaths in those as compared to the two stairwell people? Nope! So, what are we accepting all this cost for?
Still though, any rethinking the idea that arguing for less government regulation is 'soviet'? Wouldn't that be the people arguing for more government regulation?
You could always tell tourists/corporations buying up houses and illegal residents to go home..
And no creative uses for elevator/stairs here either, like stairs and elevator sharing the same fireproofed shaft with fire doors to protect both from smoke, so all the footprints becomes bigger, reducing liveable space and driving up costs per sqft of livable space.See also: elevators in the US compared to Europe. They are outrageously expensive here and the codes about what you have to have are inflexible. Basically every old building I went into in Western Europe had been retrofitted with one or more small elevators, something we cannot do here in the US for any reasonable cost. Seems good to have these so old people or the disabled don't have to use the stairs.
And no creative uses for elevator/stairs here either, like stairs and elevator sharing the same fireproofed shaft with fire doors to protect both from smoke, so all the footprints becomes bigger, reducing liveable space and driving up costs per sqft of livable space.