How can I Prove Evolution?

[edro]

My dad still can't conceive Evolution. I try to explain it to him by saying that giraffes were once horse-like animals and their got longer over millions of years due to vegetation being high in the air.

What are some REAL examples that are 100% proven?

He seems to think that ALL animals are completely separate and not related at all. (God made them all)

 

[MacBaine]

There are no examples that are "100% proven", that's why it's still just a theory. And while most people agree with it (including me), the science behind it has many holes in it.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: edro13
My dad still can't conceive Evolution. I try to explain it to him by saying that giraffes were once horse-like animals and their got longer over millions of years due to vegetation being high in the air.

What are some REAL examples that are 100% proven?

He seems to think that ALL animals are completely separate and not related at all. (God made them all)

It can't be proven... How do you know giraffes evolved? How do you know God didn't just create the giraffes neck long enough to reach high trees?

 

[supesman]

dude, just watch the discovery channel or the nat'l geographic channel. They have shows all the time about evolution. The best example would be to show the evolution of man from apes. There are many examples of intermediate species incl the neanderthals so you shouldn't have much to explain.

 

[hdeck]

it's all still theory. there is no solid proof. let your dad believe what he wants. he was kind enough to give you that option as a child; i know many parents who wouldn't have.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: supesman
dude, just watch the discovery channel or the nat'l geographic channel. They have shows all the time about evolution. The best example would be to show the evolution of man from apes. There are many examples of intermediate species incl the neanderthals so you shouldn't have much to explain.

Yeah, explaining something that's never been found or proven beyond someone's wild imagination

nik

 

[Desslok]

You can't that is why it is still a THEORY! Otherwise it would the Law of evolution.

 

[ThePresence]

How can I Prove Evolution?

You can't.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: supesman
dude, just watch the discovery channel or the nat'l geographic channel. They have shows all the time about evolution. The best example would be to show the evolution of man from apes. There are many examples of intermediate species incl the neanderthals so you shouldn't have much to explain.

neaderthals aren't an intermediate species as we did not evolve from them as far as anyone can tell.

 

[NewSc2]

*sigh* this is like the kajillionth time this has been argued over in the past week

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: supesman
dude, just watch the discovery channel or the nat'l geographic channel. They have shows all the time about evolution. The best example would be to show the evolution of man from apes. There are many examples of intermediate species incl the neanderthals so you shouldn't have much to explain.

neaderthals aren't an intermediate species as we did not evolve from them as far as anyone can tell.

Which is an absolutely perfect example. Because from what I have seen, in general, people who believe in the theory of evolution actually have no idea what the heck it is... They just assume what they heard from their 8th grade Bio teacher is 100% truth...

 

[ChrisIsBored]

macro evolution might be hard to prove to him, instead use micro evolution

 

[piku]

macro evolution might be hard to prove to him, instead use micro evolution

Yeah, I have to agree. There are countless examples of moths and such adapting to their environment that you could show him.

 

[777php]

Do some research on the finches of the galapagos islands.

 

[Dragnov]

My holy Christian brother was asking me if I thought we were just super monkeys then.

I said I didn't know, and probably won't know ever. I don't know if evolution is true, or if theres a higher being. I said, it's something I can't prove and no one can, so I'll just live my life as I see fit as an agnostic. Both are theories at the moment and nothing more.

So then my brother replies to me, "That's good, at least you have an open mind." (meaning, I still have a chance in believing in God and getting into religion)

I was so very tempted to say "Yup, cause you sure fvcking don't!!!"

Sorry, might be flamebait but I think it was a nice story.

 

[notfred]

Evolution: Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.


This has been demonstrated many times in nature. One example:

One classic example concerns the peppered moth, Biston betularia. Until the mid-nineteenth century, almost every individual of this species captured in Great Britain had light-colored wings with black specklings (hence the name "peppered" moth). From that time on, individuals with dark-colored wings increased in frequency in the moth populations near industrialized centers until they made up almost 100% of these populations. Black individuals had a dominant allele that was present but very rare in populations before 1850. Biologists soon noticed that in industrialized regions where the dark moths were common, the tree trunks were darkened almost black by the soot of pollution. Dark moths were much less conspicuous resting on them than were light moths. In addition, the air pollution that was spreading in the industrialized regions had killed many of the light-colored lichens on tree trunks, making the trunks darker.

from here

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: notfred
Evolution: Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.


This has been demonstrated many times in nature. One example:

One classic example concerns the peppered moth, Biston betularia. Until the mid-nineteenth century, almost every individual of this species captured in Great Britain had light-colored wings with black specklings (hence the name "peppered" moth). From that time on, individuals with dark-colored wings increased in frequency in the moth populations near industrialized centers until they made up almost 100% of these populations. Black individuals had a dominant allele that was present but very rare in populations before 1850. Biologists soon noticed that in industrialized regions where the dark moths were common, the tree trunks were darkened almost black by the soot of pollution. Dark moths were much less conspicuous resting on them than were light moths. In addition, the air pollution that was spreading in the industrialized regions had killed many of the light-colored lichens on tree trunks, making the trunks darker.

from here

thats not an addition to the genome though... thats like saying blondes will eventually be bred out... the genes were already there in the present moth population... i want to see an actual new gene.

 

[Maetryx]

A lot of creationists don't dispute speciation, where one super-prototype became speciated (like breeds of dogs). They just simply don't believe that life came from non-life for no cause and just happened to have a built-in capacity to improve against all laws of thermodynamics.

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: supesman
dude, just watch the discovery channel or the nat'l geographic channel. They have shows all the time about evolution. The best example would be to show the evolution of man from apes. There are many examples of intermediate species incl the neanderthals so you shouldn't have much to explain.

That's a bunch of crap! There are no intermediate species! Science HAS proven that with DNA research.

 

[hollowman]

god created evolution.

ha! there.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: hollowman
god created evolution.

ha! there.

That's a popular theory.

nik

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
A lot of creationists don't dispute speciation, where one super-prototype became speciated (like breeds of dogs). They just simply don't believe that life came from non-life for no cause and just happened to have a built-in capacity to improve against all laws of thermodynamics.

how is any of that against the laws of thermodynmics?

 

[Moonbeam]

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Maetryx
A lot of creationists don't dispute speciation, where one super-prototype became speciated (like breeds of dogs). They just simply don't believe that life came from non-life for no cause and just happened to have a built-in capacity to improve against all laws of thermodynamics.

how is any of that against the laws of thermodynmics?

The laws say that no emergy is created - that is simply changed from one form to another; They also say that things neither get better with time, nor stay the same -things degrade.

nik

 

[silent tone]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Maetryx
A lot of creationists don't dispute speciation, where one super-prototype became speciated (like breeds of dogs). They just simply don't believe that life came from non-life for no cause and just happened to have a built-in capacity to improve against all laws of thermodynamics.

how is any of that against the laws of thermodynmics?

The laws say that no emergy is created - that is simply changed from one form to another; They also say that things neither get better with time, nor stay the same -things degrade.

nik

No. You might want to check out argument 9.

Does anybody know about that 'fish' fossil with a pelvis and 4 limbs. It seems to me that it may be evidence of macro-evolution.