How do you define homophobia?

[Fayd]

Only idiots who care nothing of global standards of living, and or the environment to any degree, think it's not overpopulated.

no, i only care about my own country. and most importantly, my own personal standard of living.

the world has the capacity to sustain FAR more people than it currently does. food can be produced in greater quantities than is done so now. power can be generated. with breeder reactors, currently known stocks of uranium can last 1000+ years at current usage. with thorium reactors, we can look even longer term.

besides, we can't look at the whole world as a single body of people. when i said i wanted more births, i specified that only within western cultures, and even then only within families that are financially able to provide for such.

 

[pcgeek11]

Homosexuals = They tried it and liked it.
Heterosexuals = They tried it and did not like it.
Potential Homosexuals = Have not tried it. And don't know.

Which one are you?

 

[Locut0s]

no, i only care about my own country. and most importantly, my own personal standard of living.

the world has the capacity to sustain FAR more people than it currently does. food can be produced in greater quantities than is done so now. power can be generated. with breeder reactors, currently known stocks of uranium can last 1000+ years at current usage. with thorium reactors, we can look even longer term.

besides, we can't look at the whole world as a single body of people. when i said i wanted more births, i specified that only within western cultures, and even then only within families that are financially able to provide for such.

Well my statement that the earth is overpopulated is contingent on a few things like caring about biodiversity (extinctions), pollution, global warming, etc.. If these mean absolutely nothing to you then yeah we could support a hell of a lot. These mean a lot to me though.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcYYs0eaiEE

 

[Locut0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcYYs0eaiEE

I don't know who she is but I CAN'T stand her 2 year old voice let alone her 2 year old intelligence.

 

[DaTT]

In all honesty i think that hostility toward gay people comes out of ignorance and fear of the unknown.

I disagree. I think there is no justified reason for it...its like being a racist. How can you be "ignorant" and "fear the unknown" of a black guy. He's just got darker skin and a few other different character traits (lucky big dick havers).

 

[HAL9000]

I disagree. I think there is no justified reason for it...its like being a racist. How can you be "ignorant" and "fear the unknown" of a black guy. He's just got darker skin and a few other different character traits (lucky big dick havers).

Very true, I suppose I just pity people who feel that way and put it down to having a lower intelligence than me.

 

[Rifter]

Well a phobia is a fear of something, so i guess the definition is someone really really scared of gays. So i guess you would be a homophobe if you bust out your gat when you see a gay walking down the street and start bustiing caps in there ass due to uncontrolable fear of them.



BTW my personal opinion is if you are gay thats fine, im not but its a free country so whatever floats your boat. I have had thresomes with couples(so 2 guys and a girl) multiple times but dont consider that gay(or bi), there was no guy on guy interation(or as little as is possible in such a situation).

 

[HAL9000]

disagreement doesn't imply or suggest phobia.

There's a difference between disagreement and unjust prejudice.

"Rape" is rarely about sex...even though it does involve sexual activity. If a person is raped by a member of their own sex, it's not gay on the part of the rapee...but probably is on the part of the rapist.

Most folks who have "experimented" once or twice don't consider themselves bisexual...perhaps they were curious as you say...and found they really didn't like it...and never did it again.
I've tried red wine...and don't like it...so I can't consider myself a wino...so I'll allow the possibility that someone who tried gay sex and didn't like it...may not be gay...but I'm not gonna bend over in front of them.
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Hang on, hang on. You said that when someone has gay sex once, they are officially gay for the rest of their lives, now you are saying that people can try it and not be gay. So what about people who have gay sex and straight sex, what are they in your word?

.....did you actually read my post? or just the first line?

and the world is not overpopulated.

I did read it, and I hugely disagree, the world is crammed full of more people now than it has ever had before, to say that the species is losing out because of homosexual couples implies that there aren't enough people to begin with. There are.

Also what about couples that adopt or have surrogate children?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Oh, and don't be too harsh on those poor homophobes, they are victims too!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/23/vatican-says-gay-opponent_n_839783.html

 

[HAL9000]

Oh, and don't be too harsh on those poor homophobes, they are victims too!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/23/vatican-says-gay-opponent_n_839783.html

My heart bleeds for them... I may become a Catholic to show my support. :sneaky:

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Oh, and here's a nice example too:
http://twitter.com/MargieJPhelps/status/50623954158759936
http://twitter.com/MargieJPhelps/status/50565404053078016

 

[HAL9000]

Oh, and here's a nice example too:
http://twitter.com/MargieJPhelps/status/50623954158759936
http://twitter.com/MargieJPhelps/status/50565404053078016

Who is this wise and beautiful woman?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

The daughter of Fred Phelps, you know, from the Westboro Baptist Church, the ones that make Al Qaida look like a friendly and rational group.

 

[jessieqwert]

I had an egg sandwich

 

[HAL9000]

The daughter of Fred Phelps, you know, from the Westboro Baptist Church, the ones that make Al Qaida look like a friendly and rational group.

Ugh. Those people aren't worth finishing th...

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

How did I know who the OP was just by reading the title of the thread?

 

[HAL9000]

How did I know who the OP was just by reading the title of the thread?

One of two ways either, you saw my homophobia thread in L&R and so knew that it is on my mind or you noticed the name below the title:

 

[dpodblood]

To me the proper meaning of Homophobia would be an irrational fear of homosexuals. Eg: someone who is afraid to bend over in front of a gay person because they might get raped (I can't believe people are this ignorant and stupid, but they are).

On the other hand the definition of homophobia seems to have expanded over the years to include what most people would call bigotry. Basically just like racism except against homosexuals. Basically having a lot of ignorant views about homosexual people, and making judgements and discrimination's against them simply because of their sexual orientation. I agree that we need a new, more specific word to replace homophobia.

Luckily as the years go on these ignorant views on homosexuals (and bi-sexuals) seems to be diminishing. IMO you can't base someones sexual orientation on who they have or haven't slept with either. Lets take a look at a few scenarios:

1) Someone who has never had sex, but it only finds themselves attracted to the opposite sex. = Straight

2) Someone who has never has sex, but is attracted only to the same sex. = Gay

3) Someone who has had sex with both same and opposite sex, but only enjoyed sex with the opposite. = Straight

4) Some one who has been married to the opposite sex for years, and later discovers they do not have an attraction to the opposite sex any longer. = Gay

We could go through tons, and tons of these scenarios all day, and not even scratch the surface of human sexuality. It's complex and everyone is going to be different. That's why IMO judging someone based purely on their sexuality is completely ignorant, and stupid.

For all the gay, and bi-haters out there I have a question. What if 90% of the world was gay and you were straight? Would you try to convince yourself you were gay, and force yourself to have sex with the same sex regardless of how it would make you feel? Would all the "normal" gay people be just in judging you based on your straigtness; and discriminating against you?

 

[HAL9000]

To me the proper meaning of Homophobia would be an irrational fear of homosexuals. Eg: someone who is afraid to bend over in front of a gay person because they might get raped (I can't believe people are this ignorant and stupid, but they are).

On the other hand the definition of homophobia seems to have expanded over the years to include what most people would call bigotry. Basically just like racism except against homosexuals. Basically having a lot of ignorant views about homosexual people, and making judgements and discrimination's against them simply because of their sexual orientation. I agree that we need a new, more specific word to replace homophobia.

Luckily as the years go on these ignorant views on homosexuals (and bi-sexuals) seems to be diminishing. IMO you can't base someones sexual orientation on who they have or haven't slept with either. Lets take a look at a few scenarios:

1) Someone who has never had sex, but it only finds themselves attracted to the opposite sex. = Straight

2) Someone who has never has sex, but is attracted only to the same sex. = Gay

3) Someone who has had sex with both same and opposite sex, but only enjoyed sex with the opposite. = Straight

4) Some one who has been married to the opposite sex for years, and later discovers they do not have an attraction to the opposite sex any longer. = Gay

We could go through tons, and tons of these scenarios all day, and not even scratch the surface of human sexuality. It's complex and everyone is going to be different. That's why IMO judging someone based purely on their sexuality is completely ignorant, and stupid.

For all the gay, and bi-haters out there I have a question. What if 90% of the world was gay and you were straight? Would you try to convince yourself you were gay, and force yourself to have sex with the same sex regardless of how it would make you feel? Would all the "normal" gay people be just in judging you based on your straigtness; and discriminating against you?

Very comprehensive, based on the second definition that you mention, i.e. the definition that has developed in recent years, would you argue that a gay or bisexual person can be a homophobe (as in the OP)

 

[Macamus Prime]

It's OK to not like gay people. It's bad when you hate gay people. I can refuse to like a culture or people. However, it is bad to hate said culture or people. Because hate is rooted in fear and anger (something that is taught, picked up or allowed into your life).

For example, I do not like Indian culture and food - does that mean I am racist against Indians? I can not like gay and lesbian culture - does that mean I am racist or fearful of homosexuals? Nope.

 

[dpodblood]

Very comprehensive, based on the second definition that you mention, i.e. the definition that has developed in recent years, would you argue that a gay or bisexual person can be a homophobe (as in the OP)

Yes absolutely. I don't know if "homophobe" would be the correct term to apply to a bisexual person, as they may engage in homosexual activity themselves, but certainly gay people can discriminate against bi-sexuals.

For some reason people, even some gay's believe that bi-sexual people are simply sex-crazed maniacs who are only bi-sexual because their crazed sexual needs can only be fulfilled by being attracted to multiple sexes. This is simply not the case. Bi-sexual people are perfectly capable of having monogamous relationships, and are not "sex crazed" in any way.

 

[HAL9000]

It's OK to not like gay people. It's bad when you hate gay people. I can refuse to like a culture or people. However, it is bad to hate said culture or people. Because hate is rooted in fear and anger (something that is taught, picked up or allowed into your life).

For example, I do not like Indian culture and food - does that mean I am racist against Indians? I can not like gay and lesbian culture - does that mean I am racist against homosexuals? Nope.

There is a different between not liking or wanting to be a part of gay culture and not liking gay people. Gay and straight people are the same, they just have different orientations. If you pre judge someone based on sexuality whether that results in hate or dislike either way I would say it's not OK.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes absolutely. I don't know if "homophobe" would be the correct term to apply to a bisexual person, as they may engage in homosexual activity themselves, but certainly gay people can discriminate against bi-sexuals.

For some reason people, even some gay's believe that bi-sexual people are simply sex-crazed maniacs who are only bi-sexual because their crazed sexual needs can only be fulfilled by being attracted to multiple sexes. This is simply not the case. Bi-sexual people are perfectly capable of having monogamous relationships, and are not "sex crazed" in any way.

I completely agree, but then using this same reasoning a bisexual person could be a homophobe if they thought that being gay was wrong and that... errm.. I don't know something like you should only have sex with men for fun and women for a relationship or some other delusion, I would argue that makes them a homophobe. (and a hypocrite) but I made this point in L&R and everyone made fun of me for suggesting that gay /bisexual people could be homophobic...

 

[dpodblood]

It's OK to not like gay people. It's bad when you hate gay people. I can refuse to like a culture or people. However, it is bad to hate said culture or people. Because hate is rooted in fear and anger (something that is taught, picked up or allowed into your life).

For example, I do not like Indian culture and food - does that mean I am racist against Indians? I can not like gay and lesbian culture - does that mean I am racist against homosexuals? Nope.

This is something people really need to learn. Having an irrational fear of something is OK imo if you can admit it. I can understand why some people feel uncomfortable around gays (even though I have no problem with it myself), but having irrational hate is a completely different issue.

If someone has hydrophobia for example; OK they are afraid of water, but they don't say "Fuck water! Water is wrong an disgusting and should be banned. Anyone who drinks water, or swims in water is a disgusting pig!" No... I don't think so.