That makes sense, purely because phobias don't make sense to anyone but the phobic, that being said I would definitely include dislike as an issue as well as hate.
This is something people really need to learn. Having an irrational fear of something is OK imo if you can admit it. I can understand why some people feel uncomfortable around gays (even though I have no problem with it myself), but having irrational hate is a completely different issue.
If someone has hydrophobia for example; OK they are afraid of water, but they don't say "Fuck water! Water is wrong an disgusting and should be banned. Anyone who drinks water, or swims in water is a disgusting pig!" No... I don't think so.
I completely agree, but then using this same reasoning a bisexual person could be a homophobe if they thought that being gay was wrong and that... errm.. I don't know something like you should only have sex with men for fun and women for a relationship or some other delusion, I would argue that makes them a homophobe. (and a hypocrite) but I made this point in L&R and everyone made fun of me for suggesting that gay /bisexual people could be homophobic...
While I think that it would be more rare for someone gay to be homophobic (against bi-sexuals; what's that called biphobic? heterohomophobic?) It's certainly possible. Just as it's possible for gays to hate straights, and bi-sexual's to hate gays. The combinations of human hate are seemingly limitless.
There is a different between not liking or wanting to be a part of gay culture and not liking gay people. Gay and straight people are the same, they just have different orientations. If you pre judge someone based on sexuality whether that results in hate or dislike either way I would say it's not OK.
I was under the impression that gay culture IS derived from their orientation. Every cultural/social event in NYC is noted as gay, lesbian, trangender, bisexual, etc.
I do not assume that when I meet a gay person that they are automatically linked to identifiable social events (and therefore the projected image and actions during said events).
However, every cultural/social event I've come across is ID'ed in a manner that announces orientation - much like an Italian street feastival IDs it's by,... Italians.
,... then there is nothing differentiating them from a heterosexual person except for their orientation, and so disliking them has no basis in logic, instead it is an irrational prejudice.
Yup - 100% agree.
Coolio, In the same vein I generally don't get on with very effeminate gay men, purely because I have little in common with them, but that is their personality not their sexual orientation. Some times I do meet effeminate men that are great! we just normally don't click.
I troll around them at parties, just to try and shack up with their hot female friends. I was at one party where a beautiful red head was taking kissy pictures with her VERY effeminated best friend. When they were done, I yelled; "me next!!" and started posing with her friend.
We started chatting,... while her friend groped my ass ,... and I ended up going out on a few dates with the red head. Nothing serious happened, but we had our fun,... with the red head that is.
I am completely for 100% equal rights for gays. Go go gay marriage, adios DADT, etc. But I don't like watching men kiss. According to a broad definition this makes me at least somewhat homophobic. We already know that we're all a little bit racist. So being a little bit homophobic doesn't keep me up at night.
I am completely for 100% equal rights for gays. Go go gay marriage, adios DADT, etc. But I don't like watching men kiss. According to a broad definition this makes me at least somewhat homophobic. We already know that we're all a little bit racist. So being a little bit homophobic doesn't keep me up at night.
I always wondered why there are "gay events" or what people mean by "gay culture." What have gays, and bi-sexuals been fighting for all along? Equality; to be treated the same as everyone else right? So then if the only thing which makes them different is their sexual orientation why do they force others to view them as different by having their own events/culture?
I have to say, if you are a single guy looking to meet women. Then either go out with a gay guy or get one of your unavailable friends to pretend to be a gay guy for the night (not strictly ethical) but as a result you can get the gay guy to go in and have a chat with women, introduce himself, when he mentions he is gay the girls will feel at ease, then he can bring over the singleton and get them in with the girls. I call this approach the gay wingman. Being bisexual I make an awesome gay wingman, and I've got many women for my friends this way.
I said troll, but it has been kind of an "in the moment" thing. It just happens. I don't have any close gay friends, and I wouldn't want to befriend someone (gay or straight), strictly just to get women. If I get to be close friends with someone who is gay, that's fine. But, I won't do it to use them.
The party things is, again, just something that has happened.
Of course, I didn't mean to imply you should go out to find a gay friend to abuse, but get a straight friend to "be gay" for the night. It works surprisingly well and it's fun for all.
It's interesting, I thing it's because heterosexual culture is shoved in the face of gay people, night clubs are almost always exclusively heterosexual.
The may be predominantly hetero, but that's because the population at large is also predominantly hetero. That's not really the fault of the clubs, that's just the way it is. It isn't like you go down the street and see "straight bars" and "gay bars." It's always just "bars" and "gay bars." Not that straights aren't allowed in gay bars, just as gays aren't banned from straight bars.
The media is very heterosexual in it's output
Again the majority of the populace is straight, so that's what the majority of media with be about. Although we are seeing more gay/bi characters in tv, and movies now than we have in the past.
, so having somewhere you can go and just feel relaxed and open knowing that people around you are also homosexual, and open to the same feelings as you it can be great. It's not to segregate between "us and them" it's more to have something that "we" can call our own, just as heterosexuals seem to have....
This concept may work in a setting like a gay bar or club, but it doesn't apply to something like a gay pride parade. In that case it isn't about having something to call their own, but rather a method of exposing their culture to others. And in this case it only works because gays are in the minority. If anyone hosted a straight pride parade someone would make a shit fit!
I think it's also because although we want complete equality, the fact is that homosexuals are a minority and as a result when you see two guys or girls kissing in a night club, people look like it is something unusual.
I'd equate it to the fact that women like having women only gyms because they feel more comfortable without men looking at them. It's not to segregate its to be with the same kind of people.
IMO "being with the same kind of people" is the same as segregation. That's like saying blacks were never segregated in America, it was simply white people hanging out together. (OK maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the idea).
Ah, gotcha.
But, I would be the "be gay" friend. No one else has the nuts to pull it off...
An interesting point of view, but I would like to play devils advocate on a couple of points.
I did read it, and I hugely disagree, the world is crammed full of more people now than it has ever had before, to say that the species is losing out because of homosexual couples implies that there aren't enough people to begin with. There are.
Also what about couples that adopt or have surrogate children?
if you had read it, you would already know my response. the response to your question was contained within the original post.
Well my statement that the earth is overpopulated is contingent on a few things like caring about biodiversity (extinctions), pollution, global warming, etc.. If these mean absolutely nothing to you then yeah we could support a hell of a lot. These mean a lot to me though.
Hmmm missed that bit.... Aside from that, just because some people can't have children doesn't mean you should disapprove of their relationship, by that logic people shouldn't date the infertile...
i said people who choose not to.