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jagec

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Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
I agree, some are pricks. And sometimes i act like a prick. Which i just think is human nature. But i try hard not to do it, as it makes me feel disgusted with myself.

However, one thing you should know. The anonymity of the internet makes people behave like pricks without them caring. And msot of all me.

And i know plenty of stupid atheists, trust me.

That's true, that's true. Condescension just burns me up, though, because mature people don't use it, and immature people are usually too young to have earned it.

I get exceptionally disgusted at the large number of high school atheists who know nothing, but somehow think they're the next stage of human evolution just because they don't believe in God. And the whole time, they don't realize that they're just as bad as the rabid Christians they vilify, and on top of that, they adopt a patronizing attitude that their prepubescent, scarcely-literate selves can't possibly justify. Again, I could probably ignore them, just like I ignore the people walking around with signs saying "God hates fags," except that mainstream society gives them credibility, which once again they haven't earned. Coattail effect, in the worst sort of way; the true logician will spend years of study to craft clever, ornate, and sound arguments, wielding them carefully to try to persuade the opposition to his or her point of view, these young savages will rip the same arguments half-formed from the pages of a book and swing them like a bludgeon, twisting the skill and thought poured into them into simply battering their opponent with someone else's ideas. And then they have the audacity to be smug about it, as if their puerile acts in any way contributed to the betterment of rational thought as a whole.

Sometimes, if I'm in a weird enough mood, I'll just see the humor in it and laugh, but other times the idealistic side of me kicks in and wants to set things right.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
If someone chooses to label themselves
an athiest, then wonderful.
Everyone
has the right to be whoever they want and label themselves whatever they want as well.

Too many people interfere with other people's lives.



Bottom line is this:
mind your own business and live your own life.
This would be fine if "atheists" left others alone.

True athiests have no need to convince others of their beliefs. It's the militant ones that tell you you are not allow to believe in God that ruin this whole idea of "non-interference".

Yeah, those damned atheists are the ones ruining everything by forcing their beliefs on others...
You made my point for me.

 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
If someone chooses to label themselves
an athiest, then wonderful.
Everyone
has the right to be whoever they want and label themselves whatever they want as well.

Too many people interfere with other people's lives.



Bottom line is this:
mind your own business and live your own life.
This would be fine if "atheists" left others alone.

True athiests have no need to convince others of their beliefs. It's the militant ones that tell you you are not allow to believe in God that ruin this whole idea of "non-interference".

It's the fact that seing people making stupid decisions is painfull inside.
It's like seing someone bang a nail into their hand because they think it'l make them look good. You just can't help it.

You made my point for me, part 2.

Why can't people be allowed to have their religious beliefs without you "detached athiests" attacking them?

Like I have repeatedly said... true athiests wouldn't care to convert people to their belief system.
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
If someone chooses to label themselves
an athiest, then wonderful.
Everyone
has the right to be whoever they want and label themselves whatever they want as well.

Too many people interfere with other people's lives.



Bottom line is this:
mind your own business and live your own life.
This would be fine if "atheists" left others alone.

True athiests have no need to convince others of their beliefs. It's the militant ones that tell you you are not allow to believe in God that ruin this whole idea of "non-interference".

It's the fact that seing people making stupid decisions is painfull inside.
It's like seing someone bang a nail into their hand because they think it'l make them look good. You just can't help it.

You made my point for me, part 2.

Why can't people be allowed to have their religious beliefs without you "detached athiests" attacking them?

Like I have repeatedly said... true athiests wouldn't care to convert people to their belief system.

They can, it just pisses me off. Most the time i just ignore them.
But sometimes, i just like being that nagging person that reminds them every 10 minutes that there is no god.

I don't really see why thrue atheists shouldn't care.

It's like trying to help people who desperately try to do something they can't do. It's that mother gene everyone has.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
10,709
0
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
If someone chooses to label themselves
an athiest, then wonderful.
Everyone
has the right to be whoever they want and label themselves whatever they want as well.

Too many people interfere with other people's lives.



Bottom line is this:
mind your own business and live your own life.
This would be fine if "atheists" left others alone.

True athiests have no need to convince others of their beliefs. It's the militant ones that tell you you are not allow to believe in God that ruin this whole idea of "non-interference".

It's the fact that seing people making stupid decisions is painfull inside.
It's like seing someone bang a nail into their hand because they think it'l make them look good. You just can't help it.

You made my point for me, part 2.

Why can't people be allowed to have their religious beliefs without you "detached athiests" attacking them?

Like I have repeatedly said... true athiests wouldn't care to convert people to their belief system.

They can, it just pisses me off. Most the time i just ignore them.
But sometimes, i just like being that nagging person that reminds them every 10 minutes that there is no god.

I don't really see why thrue atheists shouldn't care.

It's like trying to help people who desperately try to do something they can't do. It's that mother gene everyone has.
My father is a true athiest and yet he would never question anyone elses belief system. He pretty much thinks he knows everything and doesn't feel the need to force what he knows on people. I can respect that. I have a hard time with people who need to be the "nagging person that wants you to think like they do".

 

Forsythe

Platinum Member
May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Beachboy
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
If someone chooses to label themselves
an athiest, then wonderful.
Everyone
has the right to be whoever they want and label themselves whatever they want as well.

Too many people interfere with other people's lives.



Bottom line is this:
mind your own business and live your own life.
This would be fine if "atheists" left others alone.

True athiests have no need to convince others of their beliefs. It's the militant ones that tell you you are not allow to believe in God that ruin this whole idea of "non-interference".

It's the fact that seing people making stupid decisions is painfull inside.
It's like seing someone bang a nail into their hand because they think it'l make them look good. You just can't help it.

You made my point for me, part 2.

Why can't people be allowed to have their religious beliefs without you "detached athiests" attacking them?

Like I have repeatedly said... true athiests wouldn't care to convert people to their belief system.

They can, it just pisses me off. Most the time i just ignore them.
But sometimes, i just like being that nagging person that reminds them every 10 minutes that there is no god.

I don't really see why thrue atheists shouldn't care.

It's like trying to help people who desperately try to do something they can't do. It's that mother gene everyone has.
My father is a true athiest and yet he would never question anyone elses belief system. He pretty much thinks he knows everything and doesn't feel the need to force what he knows on people. I can respect that. I have a hard time with people who need to be the "nagging person that wants you to think like they do".

It's when you get old and accept people as they are. I'm young idealistic, so that's what i do.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
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Also, if God is omnipotent, then would he know what he was going to know before he knows it?
 

skace

Lifer
Jan 23, 2001
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"Atheism, in its broadest sense, is a lack of belief in a deity or deities. The opposite of theism, this broad definition encompasses both people who assert that there are no gods and those who make no claim about whether gods exist or not."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
 

chambersc

Diamond Member
Feb 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: Amused
Atheist: Someone who denies the existence of a god.
http://www.answers.com/atheist&r=67

Agnostic: One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
http://www.answers.com/agnostic

Atheism is a logically untenable position.

One cannot know either way, therefore agnosticism/neutrality is the only logical position to hold.

Are beliefs rational and/or logical? I happen to believe that they aren't.
Originally posted by: skace
"Atheism, in its broadest sense, is a lack of belief in a deity or deities. The opposite of theism, this broad definition encompasses both people who assert that there are no gods and those who make no claim about whether gods exist or not."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist

NEVER quote wiki as a valid source. Hell, never quote it as a source in general.
 

Thraxen

Diamond Member
Dec 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: skace
"Atheism, in its broadest sense, is a lack of belief in a deity or deities. The opposite of theism, this broad definition encompasses both people who assert that there are no gods and those who make no claim about whether gods exist or not."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist

NEVER quote wiki as a valid source. Hell, never quote it as a source in general.

Please, it's good enough for a forum debate. Is there something wrong with the definition on Wiki?
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
A lot of those who think they are atheists are actually agnostics, so you'd have to distinguish between those who deny the possibility of there being a god (thereby 'believing' there cannot be one, which is basically the same as claiming to know there cannot be one) and those who say there is no proof of the existence of a god, but do not claim that there cannot be one. Just like there may well be a smart religious person, but there is no proof yet that one exists


Just like there could never be a serious, intelligent scientist who is religious. Let's see, I'm an organic chemist and I'm a full-time member of my local Methodist church....oh wait.

One could never fathom that the reason I can perform a reaction or separate mixtures of compounds into their component parts (I do HPLC also) is because our creator put into motion the laws which govern our Universe and gave man the capacity to discover these laws to have dominion over said creation. I find it very disturbing that many non-religious people automatically assume one has to be slow in the head and a completely illogical thinker to become a faithful Christian. I will admit there are many glowing examples of people who forget to love their God with all their body, mind, and soul. Those people are doing a disservice to both themselves and their creator, by never questioning their beliefs and never coming into a deeper faith which can be found through deep study, contemplation, and re-affirmation of one's faith. How can one be a strong witness for God if they still have questions themselves or can't answer logically for the faith they hold?
 

Forsythe

Platinum Member
May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
A lot of those who think they are atheists are actually agnostics, so you'd have to distinguish between those who deny the possibility of there being a god (thereby 'believing' there cannot be one, which is basically the same as claiming to know there cannot be one) and those who say there is no proof of the existence of a god, but do not claim that there cannot be one. Just like there may well be a smart religious person, but there is no proof yet that one exists


Just like there could never be a serious, intelligent scientist who is religious. Let's see, I'm an organic chemist and I'm a full-time member of my local Methodist church....oh wait.

One could never fathom that the reason I can perform a reaction or separate mixtures of compounds into their component parts (I do HPLC also) is because our creator put into motion the laws which govern our Universe and gave man the capacity to discover these laws to have dominion over said creation. I find it very disturbing that many non-religious people automatically assume one has to be slow in the head and a completely illogical thinker to become a faithful Christian. I will admit there are many glowing examples of people who forget to love their God with all their body, mind, and soul. Those people are doing a disservice to both themselves and their creator, by never questioning their beliefs and never coming into a deeper faith which can be found through deep study, contemplation, and re-affirmation of one's faith. How can one be a strong witness for God if they still have questions themselves or can't answer logically for the faith they hold?

You're not slow in the head. You're just brainwashed, i'm not calling you stupid.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Just like there may well be a smart religious person, but there is no proof yet that one exists

Have you ever been in a university? There are plenty of people there that hold PhDs and other advanced degrees and also believe in God.

Not in my experience. But i was in the field of physics, and we were a bunch of heathen buggers.

I wouldn't call atheism a belief, because we don't believe in something, because there is no proof for it. We might act like it's a belief, but if we're talking about what a belief is, it's more like a lack of belief. Which might be a belief in itself. Short story: I couldn't care less.
But not believing in something that there's no proof for doesn't sound like a belief.


For what it's worth, I'd say it takes just as much "faith" to believe in each of the following.

A) Everything came from nothing for absolutely no reason.
B) Everything was created by an all-powerful creator for a reason.

In effect, atheists also have to have a core set of beliefs that they can neither prove or disprove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to hold on to their worldview. Here's a truth for you though, we're all going to die some day. I think that you're doing yourself a disservice if you just go through life saying "I couldn't care less" about what you think happens after the dash on your tombstone.
 

artikk

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Dec 24, 2004
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They're the same as the people that do believe in god=they all have unsubstantiated claims.
 

TheSlamma

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Sep 6, 2005
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Originally posted by: artikk
They're the same as the people that do believe in god=they all have unsubstantiated claims.
We don't have a claim in anything, thats why we are what we are.

 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
A lot of those who think they are atheists are actually agnostics, so you'd have to distinguish between those who deny the possibility of there being a god (thereby 'believing' there cannot be one, which is basically the same as claiming to know there cannot be one) and those who say there is no proof of the existence of a god, but do not claim that there cannot be one. Just like there may well be a smart religious person, but there is no proof yet that one exists


Just like there could never be a serious, intelligent scientist who is religious. Let's see, I'm an organic chemist and I'm a full-time member of my local Methodist church....oh wait.

One could never fathom that the reason I can perform a reaction or separate mixtures of compounds into their component parts (I do HPLC also) is because our creator put into motion the laws which govern our Universe and gave man the capacity to discover these laws to have dominion over said creation. I find it very disturbing that many non-religious people automatically assume one has to be slow in the head and a completely illogical thinker to become a faithful Christian. I will admit there are many glowing examples of people who forget to love their God with all their body, mind, and soul. Those people are doing a disservice to both themselves and their creator, by never questioning their beliefs and never coming into a deeper faith which can be found through deep study, contemplation, and re-affirmation of one's faith. How can one be a strong witness for God if they still have questions themselves or can't answer logically for the faith they hold?

You're not slow in the head. You're just brainwashed, i'm not calling you stupid.

The term brainwashed assumes I have been told something that is absolutely false, and have been forced (or just had it repeated so many times to me that I now just repeat it back) to believe the falsehood. Is it unfathomable to you that one could look to archealogical digs, carbon dating, the consistency of the accounts from many individuals over several books in the New Testement, and just things in general that can't be explained by a purely naturalistic viewpoint (to name just a few) as logical evidence pointing towards Christianity as a possible truth?
 

BurnItDwn

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Atheists do not believe that there are any supernatural powers, forces, or deities.
I'm going to leave it at that.

That doesn't mean "we are certain that there is no god"
It means "We have no evidence supporting the existance of a god, therefore we are dismissing the notion of a god."

It doesn't mean we think we "know" that there isn't a god and that we are somehow better and smarter than everybody else. People who think that aren't just atheists, they are assholes. It means that we have no reason to believe in one so we simply don't believe in one. We place the burden of proof on the ones who claim that there is a god. And thus far, nobody has ever come up with proof.

Don't mix up your assholes and atheists, while many are both, they are different.
 

artikk

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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: artikk
They're the same as the people that do believe in god=they all have unsubstantiated claims.
We don't have a claim in anything, thats why we are what we are.
Atheism, in its broadest sense, is a lack of belief in a deity or deities. The opposite of theism, this broad definition encompasses both people who assert that there are no gods and those who make no claim about whether gods exist or not.
from wikipedia Text The definition encompasses both varieties of atheists.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: timosyy
I believe Athiesm is a belief... but that athiests believe they know there is no God.

/shrug

Regarding athiests themselves, well... some of my best friends are athiests. It's kind of depressing to listen to them talk, sometimes. In the end, Athiesm is a very strong belief, and not something to be taken lightly or without much thought (as any other belief)- because when you die, you better be DAMN sure there is nothing else.

Youre a nit wit. Atheism has nothing to do with belief. Do you "believe" the sun will rise tomorrow? Do you "believe" that you will fall to the earth if you step off the roof of a VERY tall building?
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Just like there may well be a smart religious person, but there is no proof yet that one exists

Have you ever been in a university? There are plenty of people there that hold PhDs and other advanced degrees and also believe in God.

Yep, they are called hypocrites if they are in the sciences. I have exceedingly vast amounts of experience in academic setttings and it is mostly the old codgers holding these hypocritical views. I say hypocritical because from one viewpoint all evidence which is contrary to current belief is ignored. In the other one vehemently searches for all evidence which is contrary to current information. How can one search for contradictory evidence only to ignore it without being a hypocrite?
 

Golgatha

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Atheists do not believe that there are any supernatural powers, forces, or deities.
I'm going to leave it at that.

That doesn't mean "we are certain that there is no god"
It means "We have no evidence supporting the existance of a god, therefore we are dismissing the notion of a god."

It doesn't mean we think we "know" that there isn't a god and that we are somehow better and smarter than everybody else. People who think that aren't just atheists, they are assholes. It means that we have no reason to believe in one so we simply don't believe in one. We place the burden of proof on the ones who claim that there is a god. And thus far, nobody has ever come up with proof.

Don't mix up your assholes and atheists, while many are both, they are different.

I would only offer up one more correction. There is evidence out there supporting the existence of a God unless you're just biased against considering that evidence. There is just not enough evidence for most atheists or agnostics to convince them there is a God. Of course, short of God coming down in human form, having dinner with an atheist, slaying someone in the middle of the restaurant, and then resurrecting them would there be enough evidence to convince an atheist that there is a God.
 
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