How is Ryzen?

[aigomorla]

"Gets spanked" is probably exaggerating a little bit. Ryzen 1800x still looks respectable, performance wise, compared to a 6950x even if a bit behind.

looks at benchs of a 4.2-4.4ghz 6950X.... (80% of the cpu's can do this)

vs benchs of a 4.1ghz ryzen 1800X (which is where my 1800X is topping out at stable, and from the looks of most others)

The 6950X has 10cores/20threads more cache
My 1800X has 8cores/16threads less cache

The 6950X has more cores + faster lanes + higher clock frequency...

sorry... the 6950X is still a vastly superior CPU however it costs $1700 alone.

Again unfair comparison, but as i said were ignore budget, because you guys are making it seem like Intel has lost, when they only lost in a price / performance comparison and not a full on performance race.

 

[scannall]

looks at benchs of a 4.2-4.4ghz 6950X.... (80% of the cpu's can do this)

vs benchs of a 4.1ghz ryzen 1800X (which is where my 1800X is topping out at stable, and from the looks of most others)

The 6950X has 10cores/20threads more cache
My 1800X has 8cores/16threads less cache

The 6950X has more cores + faster lanes + higher clock frequency...

sorry... the 6950X is still a vastly superior CPU however it costs $1700 alone.

Again unfair comparison, but as i said were ignore budget, because you guys are making it seem like Intel has lost, when they only lost in a price / performance comparison and not a full on performance race.

Yep, on bang for the buck the 6950 isn't in the race. You can get the 1800X, and a pair of 1080 ti video cards for the price of the 6950.

 

[aigomorla]

Yep, on bang for the buck the 6950 isn't in the race. You can get the 1800X, and a pair of 1080 ti video cards for the price of the 6950.

all that would still be cheaper then a 6950X CPU alone!

So I completely agree!

I said before and say again... lol its not a dollar to dollar comparision, but a straight performance race.
Intel hasn't lost which a lot of people in this thread are making it sound.

 

[hackdrag0n]

looks at benchs of a 4.2-4.4ghz 6950X.... (80% of the cpu's can do this)

vs benchs of a 4.1ghz ryzen 1800X (which is where my 1800X is topping out at stable, and from the looks of most others)

The 6950X has 10cores/20threads more cache
My 1800X has 8cores/16threads less cache

The 6950X has more cores + faster lanes + higher clock frequency...

sorry... the 6950X is still a vastly superior CPU however it costs $1700 alone.

Yeah of course if money is no object but my point is that Ryzen still looks pretty good when you factor in how much more those gains will cost you. Hardly anyone has the luxury to ignore budget. It will be interesting to see how thread ripper does. It should "spank" 6950 in multi threaded applications.

 

[scannall]

all that would still be cheaper then a 6950X CPU alone!

So I completely agree!

I said before and say again... lol its not a dollar to dollar comparision, but a straight performance race.
Intel hasn't lost which a lot of people in this thread are making it sound.

At most price points Ryzen has a performance lead *At that price*. Not overall. And that's not a bad thing. It's good to see them in the fight again. They'll be getting some of my money in July.

 

[aigomorla]

Yeah of course if money is no object but my point is that Ryzen still looks pretty good when you factor in how much more those gains will cost you. Hardly anyone has the luxury to ignore budget. It will be interesting to see how thread ripper does. It should "spank" 6950 in multi threaded applications.

i am also currious on how threadripper will do.
I just hope it will officially support ECC ram so we can utilize all those cores in a true server style setting.
And i also will bet it will still cost cheaper then a 6950X

lol...

But Intel is also bringing out Skylake-X with 12c/24t and Coffelake 6c/12t.

In all now is not the best time to get a machine... one should really wait unless they absolutely cant wait.
Even threadripper will require a new board. The X399 from what im hearing. so the A350 + X370 may be locked at the current cpu's we have for it now.

 

[hackdrag0n]

i am also currious on how threadripper will do.
I just hope it will officially support ECC ram so we can utilize all those cores in a true server style setting.
And i also will bet it will still cost cheaper then a 6950X

lol...

But Intel is also bringing out Skylake-X with 12c/24t and Coffelake 6c/12t.

In all now is not the best time to get a machine... one should really wait unless they absolutely cant wait.
Even threadripper will require a new board. The X399 from what im hearing. so the A350 + X370 may be locked at the current cpu's we have for it now.

Now is never a good time to buy tech, heh. There's always something else around the corner. I'd say that now would be a stupid time to buy a four core processor though. Everything is moving in the direction of more cores. A 7700k ain't going to age well.

 

[Topweasel]

Now is never a good time to buy tech, heh. There's always something else around the corner. I'd say that now would be a stupid time to buy a four core processor though. Everything is moving in the direction of more cores. A 7700k ain't going to age well.

Not locked there is still Ryzen 3 and Raven Ridge coming. But yeah ThreadRipper runs a on 4k pin socket and will need another board. But this is basically the same as a 6900 or 6950 requiring 2011v3 board.

Both AM4 and SP3 should be getting updates for at least a couple year. CL will be the real interesting option as Intel finally looks to be upping the core count. Assuming they can keep stock clocks near or above 4GHz. They can put AMD on the back foot until their Zen refresh. 6 Really really fast cores vs. 8 pretty fast cores is going to be a big debate. Expect AMD to lower the 1800 to i7 pricing.

 

[hackdrag0n]

Not locked there is still Ryzen 3 and Raven Ridge coming. But yeah ThreadRipper runs a on 4k pin socket and will need another board. But this is basically the same as a 6900 or 6950 requiring 2011v3 board.

Both AM4 and SP3 should be getting updates for at least a couple year. CL will be the real interesting option as Intel finally looks to be upping the core count. Assuming they can keep stock clocks near or above 4GHz. They can put AMD on the back foot until their Zen refresh. 6 Really really fast cores vs. 8 pretty fast cores is going to be a big debate. Expect AMD to lower the 1800 to i7 pricing.

Indeed. All I can say is that it's wonderful to see AMD and Intel going head to head again. Cpu's have been so boring for the last few years. No wonder there's so many people just upgrading from 2500k/2600k now.

 

[parvadomus]

no...

cuz if we ignore budget and bring out intel's big guns, Ryzen gets spanked.
But that's IF we ignore budget.

For example u wont see comparisions to a 6950X because a overlocked 6950X would manhandle Ryzen.
But for fairness sakes the cpu alone would cost more then a fully optioned complete 1800X hence why we wont ever see a comparison.

Ignore budget then, bring threadripper to play and Intel gets spanked anyways.

 

[formulav8]

overlocked 6950X

I was talking IPC, core to core performance. ie Inte's 8 core to AMD's. Also unless I'm remembering wrong that 10 core loses in some content area's like Cinebench.

But much of what you said didn't have much to do with my post anyways.

 

[formulav8]

All I can say is that it's wonderful to see AMD and Intel going head to head again. Cpu's have been so boring for the last few years. No wonder there's so many people just upgrading from 2500k/2600k now.

Yeps, my wife's 2500k is still going quite well for her gaming and other purposes. She hasn't mentioned anything about her CPU being to slow yet.

 

[tamz_msc]

Normally i would 100% agree but we haven't really seen any great latency vs throughput tests on Zen given the fabric is tied to mem clock.

Hardware.fr did some tests, bandwidth seems to be more important than CAS latency.

For example in Watch Dogs 2 with a GTX 1080, it can make a difference in allowing 60 fps at ultra settings.

 

[wildhorse2k]

Ignore budget then, bring threadripper to play and Intel gets spanked anyways.

I want a good all around CPU with lot of cores, very good single thread performance, very good for gaming, lot of memory, M.2, PCIe lanes. AMD has nothing to offer.

 

[tamz_msc]

I want a good all around CPU with lot of cores, very good single thread performance, very good for gaming, lot of memory, M.2, PCIe lanes. AMD has nothing to offer.

They will in two months time.

 

[wildhorse2k]

They will in two months time.

Nope. Threadripper won't meet my needs. It will have poor single thread and gaming performance. Very poor for SLI.

 

[MaxDepth]

So I have a rapidly aging house computer that it is tied to the TV as well. When I had an old 1080i projection TV, it was enough. Now with a 4K TV, I beefed up system by replacing the old card with a Nitro+ RX 470. But now the board is throwing some errors occasionally. (AMD 790GX)

With a new system, I want it to perform the normal HTPC functions but also, I would like to throw a couple of VMs on it and to do some IoT chores. So would the 1600x be good enough for me? And what flavor (AM4) board would be more home system (not gaming system), long term friendly?

 

[tamz_msc]

Nope. Threadripper won't meet my needs. It will have poor single thread and gaming performance. Very poor for SLI.

44 PCI-E lanes and almost the same IPC as Kaby Lake? Just curious to know what you will do with so many cores given that the recommendation for a gaming-only chip is now given to the 7700K.

 

[wildhorse2k]

44 PCI-E lanes and almost the same IPC as Kaby Lake? Just curious to know what you will do with so many cores given that the recommendation for a gaming-only chip is now given to the 7700K.

Ryzen has Haswell/Broadwell IPC. Threadripper will have enough PCIe lanes but each half attached to separate CPU, with the 2 CPUs connected via infinitifabric - fast but will add latency. I expect it to be worse than motherboards with PLX chip as it will affect not only PCIe but also memory access.

6 cores is more than enough for gaming now. Coffelake 6C will be a perfect CPU for that. But I want a more general purpose CPU than just for gaming.

 

[MaxDepth]

Anyone read this yet? It came out today: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3198...d-software-cures-ryzens-memory-headaches.html

 

[tamz_msc]

Ryzen has Haswell/Broadwell IPC

Depends on who you ask. That is the lowest level estimate. Certainly doesn't make much of a difference in games except edge cases, as long as you're GPU bound that is.

Threadripper will have enough PCIe lanes but each half attached to separate CPU, with the 2 CPUs connected via infinitifabric - fast but will add latency. I expect it to be worse than motherboards with PLX chip as it will affect not only PCIe but also memory access.

That's pure speculation. The leaked block diagrams for the X399 chipset are not detailed enough to draw that conclusion at the moment.

6 cores is more than enough for gaming now. Coffelake 6C will be a perfect CPU for that. But I want a more general purpose CPU than just for gaming.

Yes, I am curious to know. What will you do with moar cores?

 

[Dygaza]

Hardware.fr did some tests, bandwidth seems to be more important than CAS latency.

For example in Watch Dogs 2 with a GTX 1080, it can make a difference in allowing 60 fps at ultra settings.

Spoiler

If you look at the test posted on previous page you can see things being completely opposite. In all honesty different applications and games react differently to changes, and there can't be direct summary which on is more important. Best is ofc have more bandwidth with lower latency.

 

[MaxDepth]

With the proposed new BIOS from AMD, virtualization is supposed to be better? From the article I read:

Dubbed PCI Express Access Control Services (ACS) it enables support for manual assignment of PCIe graphics cards within logical containers called "IOMMU groups."

The hardware resources of an IOMMU group can then be dedicated to a virtual machine. This capability is especially useful for users that want 3D-accelerated graphics inside a virtual machine. With ACS support, it is possible to split a two GPU system such that a host Linux OS and a Windows VM both have a dedicated graphics cards. The virtual machine can access all the capabilities of the dedicated GPU, and run games inside the virtual machine at near-native performance.

 

[Dygaza]

Some more impressive scaling with fast memory and low latencies in Ashes of the Singularity's cpu focused test.

https://bbs.io-tech.fi/threads/amd-...kset-ja-kokemukset.14849/page-54#post-1016073

Summary from most critical clockspeeds:
2400MHz 40,4
3200 MHz 45,2
3200 MHz LL 50,0

 

[krumme]

Some more impressive scaling with fast memory and low latencies in Ashes of the Singularity's cpu focused test.

https://bbs.io-tech.fi/threads/amd-...kset-ja-kokemukset.14849/page-54#post-1016073

Summary from most critical clockspeeds:
2400MHz 40,4
3200 MHz 45,2
3200 MHz LL 50,0

Its extremely latency dependant. Looks to me ashes needs a makeover for ryzen eg 3466 is a good deal lower than 3200ll. It confirms the stilts remarks but is ashes comming with another ryzen rev?